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NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,755 Points:1,168,970 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:23:04 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Sales of plug-in electric cars fell slightly in November, with continued steady sales of the Nissan Leaf not enough to make up for a decline in Chevy Volt numbers. GreenCarReports The website focuses on the auto industry’s future, the evolution of cars beyond fossil fuels, and the green movement's relevance to car shoppers today. For more stories on green cars, click here. Recent posts 12.04.12 The electric car winter weather survival guide 12.04.12 Chevy Volt sales drop in November, Nissan Leaf remains steady 12.03.12 Chevy Volt drivers top 100 million miles driven 12.02.12 Support US jobs? Then support electric cars, says governor. 12.02.12 Ford recalls 89,000 Escapes, Fusions for fire risk This month's total may not quite equal last month's plu Visit Christian Science

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Sales of plug-in electric cars fell slightly in November, with continued steady sales of the Nissan Leaf not enough to make up for a decline in Chevy Volt numbers.
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Chevy Volt sales drop in November, Nissan Leaf remains steady
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Chevy Volt drivers top 100 million miles driven
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Support US jobs? Then support electric cars, says governor.
12.02.12
Ford recalls 89,000 Escapes, Fusions for fire risk

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BEGTWO Champion Author Maryland Posts:2,077 Points:751,315 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 9:08:55 AM Ignore BEGTWO Report Abuse OH..NO
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,219 Points:1,039,105 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 7:18:23 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse I could have predicted that.
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:65,033 Points:206,750 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:57:04 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse not too surprising given other Volt news
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,700 Points:690,875 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 12:10:37 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Would not buy a Volt.
Wanda127 Champion Author Florida Posts:2,570 Points:941,325 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:52:30 PM Ignore Wanda127 Report Abuse Their sells are down because most Americans don't want these autos. As for the Leaf I would not buy one of them either.
SolarReplaceGas Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,040 Points:216,445 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:17:18 PM Ignore SolarReplaceGas Report Abuse listerone: You have already proven that you can make clever quips. Surely you must want to comment substantively on the posted topic sometimes?
rcornel All-Star Author San Diego Posts:804 Points:251,095 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:08:11 PM Ignore rcornel Report Abuse Ok
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,493 Points:904,575 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:01:08 PM Ignore listerone Report Abuse "Only fools buy electric cars." Well,fools and "progressives".Same thing,actually.
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,493 Points:904,575 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:58:08 PM Ignore listerone Report Abuse Ambassador Stevens is dead and the Chevy Volt is alive.
SolarReplaceGas Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,040 Points:216,445 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:03:13 PM Ignore SolarReplaceGas Report Abuse I leased a Volt, and I love it. I commute about 40 mi roundtrip each day, and only use gas for the last 5 mi. I charge overnight in my garage, and even then, since I installed solar panels on my home 2 yrs ago, I am generating 70% of the charge. While note the best car for long range driving, I think this combo of EV/gas is excellent for the 50 mi or less commuter, since it allows the driver about 40 miles of electric travel each day without recharging stations, and if you need to take a longer trip, you can switch to gas. Although I am not able to eliminate my use of gasoline, I am able to reduce it significantly.
Zeke33 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,662 Points:1,636,055 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:33:19 PM Ignore Zeke33 Report Abuse Government Motors
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,637 Points:486,190 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:13:58 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse Sales will continue to rise.
RochBear Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,555 Points:1,759,235 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:18:17 PM Ignore RochBear Report Abuse The volt was a good idea, done horribly wrong. An EV with backup generator is a great idea. GM building an all new gasoline engine and Generator, and then running the car off the generator, and not using an off the shelf generator to charge the battery is a horrible design (and very expensive too)
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:632,975 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:56:52 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse Say it isn't so! You mean the Federal government and GE didn't buy enough Volts last month? This is an outrage! The UAW should be out picketing them! I'm sure their thug leadership is in the oval office pounding on Obama's desk. [Edited by: GT3186 at 12/5/2012 12:59:17 PM EST]
hrjjml All-Star Author Florida Posts:590 Points:404,025 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:36 PM Ignore hrjjml Report Abuse Volt sales go up only because govt purchase
peakkeller Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:1,760 Points:791,625 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:18:52 AM Ignore peakkeller Report Abuse Thanks, orphancarguyPE, great post!
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:3,910 Points:759,175 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:51:53 AM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse Electrics are fine, once people get used to plugging it in every time they stop somewhere. You don't have to run one 'dry' then fill it up for ten hours slowly--just a half hour here, an hour there while you are doing other things, and you can keep it topped up. (Besides, fast charges at 240V or above are a fraction of the 10 hours.) No more difficult or time consuming than putting change in a parking meter. So, a 70 mile range electric can easily go well over 100 miles in a day once you get your pattern down. As they say, there is an app for that. Wireless induction (proximity) charging will make the process even more painless. Once you have the range sorted, electrics make fantastic sense--the distance you can travel on $5 of gasoline, or $3.50 of diesel, will be less than $1 for electricity, and that ratio holds for about anywhere in North America, more or less. So, if you use a vehicle/or one vehicle for all sorts of daily errands in cities or suburban/ex-urban driving, an electric makes perfect sense, and pays for itself also in lower insurance, and virtually zero maintenance costs. Long before it gives up the ghost, you'll be making money on the deal. It makes more financial sense if you keep it for say 8 years rather than 3 or 4 like a fuel powered car. After 4 years, there is little that could go wrong with an electric, while a fuel car might be getting into expensive overtime. One problem with electrics is extreme heat and cold--Prudhoe Bay and Death Valley conditions shorten battery life. Those Leafs in Arizona could have used additional battery cooling in their design--but Leafs don't seem to have those sorts of problems in Tennessee and Ontario where it isn't 120+ for months at a time. A plug-in hybrid gives you unlimited range if and when you need it, but if you use a Volt, Prius plug-in, or Ford C-Max Energi in the right way, you may never buy gasoline at all. THAT is how one Volt driver is reporting 1400 miles per gallon--because he plugs it in at every opportunity and at every stop, so only every month or so the engine has start to charge the battery. That is smart. The only drawback is if you do a lot of driving at one go, on a regular basis. Because of tradeoffs with weight and expense, plug-ins tend not to be as good as dedicated true hybrids if you goes 300 miles in a go. Excellent engine-only mileage, but still not as good for that 300 miles as a true hybrid. I tend to drive a long distance at a time. 90, 160, 200, 250 and 380 miles (and a fairly regular 800 miles one way as well) one-day round trips are some of my 'regular' trips, and most of my mileage is outside of cities on 2 lanes or 4 lanes, so diesels work best for me. Although a plug-in would work for me because we have the free plug-in stations all over here, my next car in a few months time is a Prius C hybrid, just because of the excellent mileage (best of all cars except some plug-in hybrids), and low cost. Not getting rid of the diesels, just fine-tuning my vehicle use to type of driving required.
ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,944 Points:1,897,200 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:38:55 AM Ignore ss70 Report Abuse GM is still not learned from its mistakes
werich44 Champion Author California Posts:1,999 Points:496,505 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:25:52 AM Ignore werich44 Report Abuse Cost needs to drop and range needs to improve before the "green" cars start to sale in volume.
MrDeath666 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,765 Points:271,890 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:49:54 AM Ignore MrDeath666 Report Abuse Only fools buy electric cars.
BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:8,882 Points:1,610,715 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:33:19 AM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse "With just a month left in the year, up to 50,000 electric cars are likely to find buyers during 2012--almost triple the 2011 total of about 17,500. This year's sales leader, the Chevy Volt range-extended electric car, logged 1,519 sales. " And Honda sold 30,000 Civics last month.
Mark8601 All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:929 Points:397,785 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:27:14 AM Ignore Mark8601 Report Abuse Fun stuff to read still.
Seamus4513 Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,725 Points:414,280 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:26:12 AM Ignore Seamus4513 Report Abuse Nothing to do with Obama
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,466 Points:985,250 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:23:16 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse buy a Prius C.....and use 16,000 saved for insurance, maintenance, for gas...20,800 for C 36,000 for volt [Edited by: Evilmaddog at 12/5/2012 9:24:43 AM EST]
roadrunnerMO Champion Author Kansas Posts:8,547 Points:1,727,940 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:54:51 AM Ignore roadrunnerMO Report Abuse Guess obummer will have to raise the rebates from federal government to get sales up and going. More taxpayer monies out the window and into the fire.
rbrk02 Champion Author Rhode Island Posts:5,917 Points:844,930 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:48:54 AM Ignore rbrk02 Report Abuse Nothing really surprising here. Niche vehicles for niche markets only.
amoshins Champion Author Trenton Posts:2,306 Points:667,995 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:38:41 AM Ignore amoshins Report Abuse Interesting that Christian Science Monitor would publish this information
Hawg1408 Veteran Author Alberta Posts:462 Points:665,490 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:17:19 AM Ignore Hawg1408 Report Abuse Electricity prices increase in the winter so what would you expect
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:9,165 Points:779,850 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:07:54 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Government Volt purchases are down.
ktyson13 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,556 Points:403,650 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:00:34 AM Ignore ktyson13 Report Abuse Leaf is dead. Volt at least as more potential without any restrictions on mileage.
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,710 Points:1,481,960 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:58:48 AM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse It would be interesting to know how many Volts and Leafs were purchased by the federal government, state governments, fleet operators and corporations, lease companies for leasing to as a block of like vehicles, and private individuals. I expect that 1/3 to 1/2 of the Volt production have gone to GE and the federal government.
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,217 Points:1,770,510 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:55:58 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse althugh I found it gets around pretty spritely, the car is just too small for lard ass americans... I bet they can sell it to the china folks and the japs...
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,565 Points:554,725 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:49:53 AM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse G'ment has their quota for the year.
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,219 Points:1,039,105 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:43:11 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Yes,no one wants to power their house with a Chevy Volt.
EvergreenON Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,078 Points:511,085 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:42:50 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse still much improvement to do.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:35,351 Points:2,399,070 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:39:01 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse volts are for dolts
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,173 Points:529,005 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:34:13 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Electric car not for me just yet
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,303 Points:899,705 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:31:42 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse Ok, but not interested in either vehicle.