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NedW
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:23:04 AM

Sales of plug-in electric cars fell slightly in November, with continued steady sales of the Nissan Leaf not enough to make up for a decline in Chevy Volt numbers.
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BEGTWO
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 9:08:55 AM

OH..NO
ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 7:18:23 AM

I could have predicted that.
iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:57:04 AM

not too surprising given other Volt news
rahcat
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 12:10:37 AM

Would not buy a Volt.
Wanda127
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:52:30 PM

Their sells are down because most Americans don't want these autos. As for the Leaf I would not buy one of them either.
SolarReplaceGas
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:17:18 PM

listerone: You have already proven that you can make clever quips. Surely you must want to comment substantively on the posted topic sometimes?
rcornel
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:08:11 PM

Ok
listerone
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:01:08 PM

"Only fools buy electric cars."

Well,fools and "progressives".Same thing,actually.
listerone
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:58:08 PM

Ambassador Stevens is dead and the Chevy Volt is alive.
SolarReplaceGas
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:03:13 PM

I leased a Volt, and I love it. I commute about 40 mi roundtrip each day, and only use gas for the last 5 mi. I charge overnight in my garage, and even then, since I installed solar panels on my home 2 yrs ago, I am generating 70% of the charge.

While note the best car for long range driving, I think this combo of EV/gas is excellent for the 50 mi or less commuter, since it allows the driver about 40 miles of electric travel each day without recharging stations, and if you need to take a longer trip, you can switch to gas. Although I am not able to eliminate my use of gasoline, I am able to reduce it significantly.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:33:19 PM

Government Motors
crep1291
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:13:58 PM

Sales will continue to rise.
RochBear
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:18:17 PM

The volt was a good idea, done horribly wrong.

An EV with backup generator is a great idea.
GM building an all new gasoline engine and Generator, and then running the car off the generator, and not using an off the shelf generator to charge the battery is a horrible design (and very expensive too)
CVA19
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:56:52 PM

Say it isn't so! You mean the Federal government and GE didn't buy enough Volts last month?

This is an outrage! The UAW should be out picketing them! I'm sure their thug leadership is in the oval office pounding on Obama's desk.



[Edited by: GT3186 at 12/5/2012 12:59:17 PM EST]
hrjjml
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:36 PM

Volt sales go up only because govt purchase
peakkeller
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:18:52 AM

Thanks, orphancarguyPE, great post!
orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:51:53 AM

Electrics are fine, once people get used to plugging it in every time they stop somewhere. You don't have to run one 'dry' then fill it up for ten hours slowly--just a half hour here, an hour there while you are doing other things, and you can keep it topped up. (Besides, fast charges at 240V or above are a fraction of the 10 hours.) No more difficult or time consuming than putting change in a parking meter. So, a 70 mile range electric can easily go well over 100 miles in a day once you get your pattern down. As they say, there is an app for that. Wireless induction (proximity) charging will make the process even more painless. Once you have the range sorted, electrics make fantastic sense--the distance you can travel on $5 of gasoline, or $3.50 of diesel, will be less than $1 for electricity, and that ratio holds for about anywhere in North America, more or less. So, if you use a vehicle/or one vehicle for all sorts of daily errands in cities or suburban/ex-urban driving, an electric makes perfect sense, and pays for itself also in lower insurance, and virtually zero maintenance costs. Long before it gives up the ghost, you'll be making money on the deal. It makes more financial sense if you keep it for say 8 years rather than 3 or 4 like a fuel powered car. After 4 years, there is little that could go wrong with an electric, while a fuel car might be getting into expensive overtime.

One problem with electrics is extreme heat and cold--Prudhoe Bay and Death Valley conditions shorten battery life. Those Leafs in Arizona could have used additional battery cooling in their design--but Leafs don't seem to have those sorts of problems in Tennessee and Ontario where it isn't 120+ for months at a time.

A plug-in hybrid gives you unlimited range if and when you need it, but if you use a Volt, Prius plug-in, or Ford C-Max Energi in the right way, you may never buy gasoline at all. THAT is how one Volt driver is reporting 1400 miles per gallon--because he plugs it in at every opportunity and at every stop, so only every month or so the engine has start to charge the battery. That is smart. The only drawback is if you do a lot of driving at one go, on a regular basis. Because of tradeoffs with weight and expense, plug-ins tend not to be as good as dedicated true hybrids if you goes 300 miles in a go. Excellent engine-only mileage, but still not as good for that 300 miles as a true hybrid.

I tend to drive a long distance at a time. 90, 160, 200, 250 and 380 miles (and a fairly regular 800 miles one way as well) one-day round trips are some of my 'regular' trips, and most of my mileage is outside of cities on 2 lanes or 4 lanes, so diesels work best for me. Although a plug-in would work for me because we have the free plug-in stations all over here, my next car in a few months time is a Prius C hybrid, just because of the excellent mileage (best of all cars except some plug-in hybrids), and low cost. Not getting rid of the diesels, just fine-tuning my vehicle use to type of driving required.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:38:55 AM

GM is still not learned from its mistakes
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:25:52 AM

Cost needs to drop and range needs to improve before the "green" cars start to sale in volume.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:49:54 AM

Only fools buy electric cars.
BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:33:19 AM

"With just a month left in the year, up to 50,000 electric cars are likely to find buyers during 2012--almost triple the 2011 total of about 17,500.

This year's sales leader, the Chevy Volt range-extended electric car, logged 1,519 sales.
"

And Honda sold 30,000 Civics last month.
Mark8601
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:27:14 AM

Fun stuff to read still.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:26:12 AM

Nothing to do with Obama
Evilmaddog
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:23:16 AM

buy a Prius C.....and use 16,000 saved for insurance, maintenance, for gas...20,800 for C 36,000 for volt

[Edited by: Evilmaddog at 12/5/2012 9:24:43 AM EST]
roadrunnerMO
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:54:51 AM

Guess obummer will have to raise the rebates from federal government to get sales up and going. More taxpayer monies out the window and into the fire.
rbrk02
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:48:54 AM

Nothing really surprising here. Niche vehicles for niche markets only.
amoshins
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:38:41 AM

Interesting that Christian Science Monitor would publish this information
Hawg1408
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:17:19 AM

Electricity prices increase in the winter so what would you expect
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:07:54 AM

Government Volt purchases are down.
ktyson13
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:00:34 AM

Leaf is dead. Volt at least as more potential without any restrictions on mileage.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:58:48 AM

It would be interesting to know how many Volts and Leafs were purchased by the federal government, state governments, fleet operators and corporations, lease companies for leasing to as a block of like vehicles, and private individuals. I expect that 1/3 to 1/2 of the Volt production have gone to GE and the federal government.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:55:58 AM

althugh I found it gets around pretty spritely, the car is just too small for lard ass americans...

I bet they can sell it to the china folks and the japs...
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:49:53 AM

G'ment has their quota for the year.
ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:43:11 AM

Yes,no one wants to power their house with a Chevy Volt.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:42:50 AM

still much improvement to do.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:39:01 AM

volts are for dolts
molebaby96
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:34:13 AM

Electric car not for me just yet
doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:31:42 AM

Ok, but not interested in either vehicle.
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