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skinsfan125 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,557 Points:284,000 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:11:09 AM Ignore skinsfan125 Report Abuse The federal government is changing the chemical makeup of gasoline by adding more ethanol. The move is supposed to help protect the environment, but local mechanics warn that it may be hurting cars. Visit newsplex.com for full article

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The federal government is changing the chemical makeup of gasoline by adding more ethanol. The move is supposed to help protect the environment, but local mechanics warn that it may be hurting cars.
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07skydriver Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,270 Points:984,285 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 3:30:43 PM Ignore 07skydriver Report Abuse Send the bill to Dubya.
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,786 Points:1,557,085 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 9:46:55 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse How long have reports like this been written? Still the federal government insists on accepting money from their political friends in the ethanol industry.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,561 Points:749,995 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 8:34:32 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse everybody says it except the EPA and ethanol providers. I don't want it in my 2 older cars (2004 and 2005). Heck, I don't even like e-10.
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,433 Points:180,475 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:59:15 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse For cars [engines] originally designed to run on "pure" gasoline, E15 may not be so good.
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,079 Points:1,449,300 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:06:03 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Oh, E15 fuel will not damage cars, just the gaskets in your engine that will inevitably shorten the life of your car. So E15 is good for business. ;-)
carranco Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,027 Points:269,765 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:29:24 PM Ignore carranco Report Abuse We seem to be helpless to stop it now.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:8,990 Points:1,781,610 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:20:13 PM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse Those in the government who are back the idea of ethanol really don't know the facts or are supporting certain groups who want too use. It is very evident that ethanol is just the oppoiste. Ethanol provides less efficiency, causes damage too engines, and includes higher costs for something worthless.
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,745 Points:602,495 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:06:15 PM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse DUH
mike56MI Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,225 Points:309,315 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:49:49 PM Ignore mike56MI Report Abuse OK
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,526 Points:1,832,590 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:19:46 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Our car is flex -fuel but I use pure gas . It has messes up my jeep. Now use pure gas in it.
Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,570 Points:311,640 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:31:43 PM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse I'm sure Congress will give me a new car when their mandate ruins my current car right?
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,584 Points:481,320 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:40:27 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse E15 won't damage flex-fuel vehicles.
bouncing4fun All-Star Author Sacramento Posts:588 Points:145,335 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:14:19 PM Ignore bouncing4fun Report Abuse Thanks for the information
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,562 Points:560,245 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:53:42 PM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse Ethanol is crap.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,954 Points:1,017,595 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:34:08 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse Over my head.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:611,200 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:07:51 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse Ethanol not only damages engines, it damages the environment and the food supply.
tarheelcoastie Champion Author Greensboro Posts:5,206 Points:1,113,105 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:00:23 PM Ignore tarheelcoastie Report Abuse And gas station equipment also!
sciotosix Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,754 Points:667,850 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:48:01 AM Ignore sciotosix Report Abuse No surprise here.
ToolinIt Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,803 Points:888,945 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:22:37 AM Ignore ToolinIt Report Abuse Well stated comment, Cgrey8!
WalkingWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:3,701 Points:779,595 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:21:11 AM Ignore WalkingWV Report Abuse END ETHANOL!
Jeff4U Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,765 Points:1,854,280 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:20:22 AM Ignore Jeff4U Report Abuse E-15 will trash any motor in any vehicle built before 2002, even the ones with Flex-fuel designation.
12GaylC Rookie Author Georgia Posts:3 Points:385 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:32:40 AM Ignore 12GaylC Report Abuse I agree, E-15 will damage the engines in the vehicles.
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,011 Points:744,550 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:11:25 AM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse Stop E15
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,172 Points:1,300,170 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:54:10 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse it will kill any 2 cycle stuff as well.
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,493 Points:734,300 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:46:21 AM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse So true.
cgrey8 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,013 Points:260,190 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:32:16 AM Ignore cgrey8 Report Abuse A number of people are bringing up the no food for fuel mantra. I know people have the belief of no food for fuel, but I look at it with a more capitalistic eye. I, like everybody else, don't like the idea of food prices going up. But from a corn farmer's standpoint, if they can sell their corn for a better price to a buyer looking to make fuel, then they should have the ability to sell it to them. They shouldn't be prevented from selling to whomever will pay most for their product. A supplier selling their product for the highest possible profit AND buyers buying from the lowest priced seller is what capitalism is all about. What I have a problem with is the gov't requiring a certain amount of ethanol be blended into gasoline. There's a demand for gasoline, but with a mandate that ties ethanol usage to gasoline usage, they create a demand for ethanol that doesn't really exist thus artificially pushing the price of corn up higher than it would otherwise normally be. THAT I have a problem with because that is not capitalism. That's fascism. [Edited by: cgrey8 at 12/5/2012 9:34:25 AM EST]
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,332 Points:959,500 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:28:49 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse EPA and ethanol do not make sense
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:7,225 Points:1,679,820 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:02:07 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse Time will tell.
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,034 Points:1,456,775 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:01:25 AM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse mechanics or engineers?
Gas_Eyes Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,687 Points:646,810 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:42:30 AM Ignore Gas_Eyes Report Abuse Let's reduce the ethanol to 5%.
dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,753 Points:624,055 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:40:15 AM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse No food for fuel! Drop the ethanol mandate, its bad for engines and our wallets. Only one profiting are bribed politicians and big agri companies!!!
scu227 Champion Author New Haven Posts:4,162 Points:773,830 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:40:03 AM Ignore scu227 Report Abuse Not only does it damage our cars it also drives up the price of both gas and food. Bring down the % of enthanol and we can all save and have more money on our pockets to spend and help th economy.
skempton Champion Author Vermont Posts:1,149 Points:840,135 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:26:16 AM Ignore skempton Report Abuse I'd rather have the corn as food.
AVKZ All-Star Author Kalamazoo Posts:851 Points:295,000 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:10:58 AM Ignore AVKZ Report Abuse Maybe they want the damage so people will buy new cars.
zwsn01 All-Star Author Alabama Posts:691 Points:441,900 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:09:25 AM Ignore zwsn01 Report Abuse I know 100 Joe Shmoe's that'll tell you the same thing.
ktyson13 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,546 Points:398,600 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:01:00 AM Ignore ktyson13 Report Abuse Nothing new here. Not sure that anyone will buy it willingly.
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,430 Points:528,975 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:54:49 AM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse Been saying it for years!
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,190 Points:1,119,590 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:51:15 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse No food for fuel
peabeax55 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:713 Points:185,515 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:44:08 AM Ignore peabeax55 Report Abuse Who knew?
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,088 Points:1,013,355 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:43:53 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Agreed.
OHIO50 All-Star Author Denver Posts:881 Points:1,021,725 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:39:07 AM Ignore OHIO50 Report Abuse Damsge in what way.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,287 Points:2,373,320 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:38:01 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse imagine that
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,625 Points:1,144,195 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:28:02 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Good post, cgrey8. Thank you. There remains the issue of pumping food into gas tanks, though.
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,126 Points:506,890 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:22:44 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Corn prices will go up.
cgrey8 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,013 Points:260,190 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:22:23 AM Ignore cgrey8 Report Abuse This article, like so many other E15 articles, forgets to mention that E15 will not be a mandate. It will be an option. Simply don't choose E15 if your vehicle can't handle it or you simply don't want it. But the warnings are real. I just this past weekend replaced a fuel pump in my 97 Ranger. Ford puts the fuel pump in the gas tank as many mfgs do. But they secure it in the sending unit using a rubber stabilization gasket and connect the pump to the fuel line using a very short rubber hose. The problem is back in the mid 90s and earlier, the rubber used was not as ethanol resistant as it should've been. In my case, the rubber hose blew out spewing fuel back into the tank instead of producing the fuel pressure the engine needed. When I pulled the pump, the pump case was rusty and the rubber retainer was partially disintegrated. What was left of it was extremely brittle and crumbled when touched with any pressure. Newer vehicles use exclusively Viton and other ethanol-resistant rubber. The good news is replacement parts most of the time are full ethanol resistant so once you replace the old parts, you'll likely not have any further issue with ethanol regardless whether you use E10 or E15. On the flipside, whether you use E15 or E10, if your vehicle is vulnerable, your vehicle will eventually break down regardless whether you use E10 or E15. E15 may just accelerate the failure, but not by any significant amount.
sabre75 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,663 Points:340,395 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:19:40 AM Ignore sabre75 Report Abuse E10 did $1600 in damage to the fuel system in my car. Ate the seals, gaskets and sending units up. Come on lets get a clue here. Outboard engines, 2 stroke engine, piston drive airplanes engines, either void the warranty or tell you not to use it.. Sicking thing is NASCAR is currently endorsing it.. Simple saying Money talks B.S. walks.. Wake UP AMERICA!!!!
BigRedVTX All-Star Author Georgia Posts:877 Points:504,030 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:18:09 AM Ignore BigRedVTX Report Abuse As I reported in an article from AOL auto blog the other day, AAA is requesting the EPA to not institute the E15 rule for this very reason. Only a very few automakers have authorized use of E15 in their vehicles, most do not and many say it will void the warranty. This does not include all the small engine vehicles such as motorcycles, lawn mowers, etc. And the EPA rule to buy 4 gallons of fuel from the single point service hose is utterly ridiculous.
GDAE Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,160 Points:222,850 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:16:21 AM Ignore GDAE Report Abuse Sure enough.
skinsfan125 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,557 Points:284,000 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:14:07 AM Ignore skinsfan125 Report Abuse goes to show what happens when you get the government into something too much.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,127 Points:873,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:12:28 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse Yep, E-15 will damage the engines in the vehicles.