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skinsfan125

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:11:09 AM

The federal government is changing the chemical makeup of gasoline by adding more ethanol. The move is supposed to help protect the environment, but local mechanics warn that it may be hurting cars.
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 3:30:43 PM

Send the bill to Dubya.
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LilRedWagonIN
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 9:46:55 AM

How long have reports like this been written? Still the federal government insists on accepting money from their political friends in the ethanol industry.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 8:34:32 AM

everybody says it except the EPA and ethanol providers.
I don't want it in my 2 older cars (2004 and 2005). Heck, I don't even like e-10.
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:59:15 AM

For cars [engines] originally designed to run on "pure" gasoline, E15 may not be so good.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:06:03 PM


Oh, E15 fuel will not damage cars, just the gaskets in your engine that will inevitably shorten the life of your car. So E15 is good for business. ;-)
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carranco
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:29:24 PM

We seem to be helpless to stop it now.
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must87searcher
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:20:13 PM

Those in the government who are back the idea of ethanol really don't know the facts or are supporting certain groups who want too use. It is very evident that ethanol is just the oppoiste. Ethanol provides less efficiency, causes damage too engines, and includes higher costs for something worthless.
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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:06:15 PM

DUH
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mike56MI
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:49:49 PM

OK
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PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:19:46 PM

Our car is flex -fuel but I use pure gas . It has messes up my jeep.
Now use pure gas in it.
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Discovery02
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:31:43 PM

I'm sure Congress will give me a new car when their mandate ruins my current car right?
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:40:27 PM

E15 won't damage flex-fuel vehicles.
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bouncing4fun
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:14:19 PM

Thanks for the information
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Skunk63
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:53:42 PM

Ethanol is crap.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:34:08 PM

Over my head.
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CVA19
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:07:51 PM

Ethanol not only damages engines, it damages the environment and the food supply.
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tarheelcoastie
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:00:23 PM

And gas station equipment also!
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sciotosix
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:48:01 AM

No surprise here.
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ToolinIt
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:22:37 AM

Well stated comment, Cgrey8!
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WalkingWV
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:21:11 AM

END ETHANOL!
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:20:22 AM

E-15 will trash any motor in any vehicle built before 2002, even the ones with Flex-fuel designation.
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12GaylC
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:32:40 AM

I agree, E-15 will damage the engines in the vehicles.
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gbs1
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:11:25 AM

Stop E15
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:54:10 AM

it will kill any 2 cycle stuff as well.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:46:21 AM

So true.
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cgrey8
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:32:16 AM

A number of people are bringing up the no food for fuel mantra. I know people have the belief of no food for fuel, but I look at it with a more capitalistic eye. I, like everybody else, don't like the idea of food prices going up. But from a corn farmer's standpoint, if they can sell their corn for a better price to a buyer looking to make fuel, then they should have the ability to sell it to them. They shouldn't be prevented from selling to whomever will pay most for their product. A supplier selling their product for the highest possible profit AND buyers buying from the lowest priced seller is what capitalism is all about.

What I have a problem with is the gov't requiring a certain amount of ethanol be blended into gasoline. There's a demand for gasoline, but with a mandate that ties ethanol usage to gasoline usage, they create a demand for ethanol that doesn't really exist thus artificially pushing the price of corn up higher than it would otherwise normally be. THAT I have a problem with because that is not capitalism. That's fascism.



[Edited by: cgrey8 at 12/5/2012 9:34:25 AM EST]
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Evilmaddog
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:28:49 AM

EPA and ethanol do not make sense
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:02:07 AM

Time will tell.
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:01:25 AM

mechanics or engineers?
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Gas_Eyes
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:42:30 AM

Let's reduce the ethanol to 5%.
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dabayer
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:40:15 AM

No food for fuel!

Drop the ethanol mandate, its bad for engines and our wallets.

Only one profiting are bribed politicians and big agri companies!!!
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:40:03 AM

Not only does it damage our cars it also drives up the price of both gas and food. Bring down the % of enthanol and we can all save and have more money on our pockets to spend and help th economy.
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skempton
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:26:16 AM

I'd rather have the corn as food.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:10:58 AM

Maybe they want the damage so people will buy new cars.
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zwsn01
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:09:25 AM

I know 100 Joe Shmoe's that'll tell you the same thing.
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ktyson13
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:01:00 AM

Nothing new here. Not sure that anyone will buy it willingly.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:54:49 AM

Been saying it for years!
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:51:15 AM

No food for fuel
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peabeax55
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:44:08 AM

Who knew?
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:43:53 AM

Agreed.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:39:07 AM

Damsge in what way.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:38:01 AM

imagine that
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:28:02 AM

Good post, cgrey8. Thank you. There remains the issue of pumping food into gas tanks, though.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:22:44 AM

Corn prices will go up.
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cgrey8
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:22:23 AM

This article, like so many other E15 articles, forgets to mention that E15 will not be a mandate. It will be an option. Simply don't choose E15 if your vehicle can't handle it or you simply don't want it.

But the warnings are real. I just this past weekend replaced a fuel pump in my 97 Ranger. Ford puts the fuel pump in the gas tank as many mfgs do. But they secure it in the sending unit using a rubber stabilization gasket and connect the pump to the fuel line using a very short rubber hose. The problem is back in the mid 90s and earlier, the rubber used was not as ethanol resistant as it should've been. In my case, the rubber hose blew out spewing fuel back into the tank instead of producing the fuel pressure the engine needed. When I pulled the pump, the pump case was rusty and the rubber retainer was partially disintegrated. What was left of it was extremely brittle and crumbled when touched with any pressure.

Newer vehicles use exclusively Viton and other ethanol-resistant rubber. The good news is replacement parts most of the time are full ethanol resistant so once you replace the old parts, you'll likely not have any further issue with ethanol regardless whether you use E10 or E15.

On the flipside, whether you use E15 or E10, if your vehicle is vulnerable, your vehicle will eventually break down regardless whether you use E10 or E15. E15 may just accelerate the failure, but not by any significant amount.
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sabre75
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:19:40 AM

E10 did $1600 in damage to the fuel system in my car. Ate the seals, gaskets and sending units up. Come on lets get a clue here. Outboard engines, 2 stroke engine, piston drive airplanes engines, either void the warranty or tell you not to use it.. Sicking thing is NASCAR is currently endorsing it.. Simple saying Money talks B.S. walks.. Wake UP AMERICA!!!!
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:18:09 AM

As I reported in an article from AOL auto blog the other day, AAA is requesting the EPA to not institute the E15 rule for this very reason. Only a very few automakers have authorized use of E15 in their vehicles, most do not and many say it will void the warranty.
This does not include all the small engine vehicles such as motorcycles, lawn mowers, etc.
And the EPA rule to buy 4 gallons of fuel from the single point service hose is utterly ridiculous.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:16:21 AM

Sure enough.
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skinsfan125
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:14:07 AM

goes to show what happens when you get the government into something too much.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:12:28 AM

Yep, E-15 will damage the engines in the vehicles.
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