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1studman Champion Author El Paso Posts:10,013 Points:2,046,120 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:53:06 AM Ignore 1studman Report Abuse The 2013 Ford Fusion and C-Max hybrids are two of the best cars on the market when it comes to fuel economy, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. However, magazine road testers, and customers, are having trouble achieving the same lofty mpg numbers in real world circumstances. Both the Fusion sedan and C-Max hatchback are powered by a 2.0-liter, four-cylinder gasoline engine and an electric motor with lithium-ion battery pack. The powertrain produces a combined 188 horsepower in both cars and is rated at 47 mpg in all three EPA categories (city, highway, combined) in both cars. Green Car Reports tested the C-Max twice, once at a Ford media event, and once unescorted. The magazine reports that, the first time, the C-Max could only muster 37 mpg over 50 miles of mixed freeway... Visit Digital Trends for full article

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The 2013 Ford Fusion and C-Max hybrids are two of the best cars on the market when it comes to fuel economy, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. However, magazine road testers, and customers, are having trouble achieving the same lofty mpg numbers in real world circumstances.
Both the Fusion sedan and C-Max hatchback are powered by a 2.0-liter, four-cylinder gasoline engine and an electric motor with lithium-ion battery pack. The powertrain produces a combined 188 horsepower in both cars and is rated at 47 mpg in all three EPA categories (city, highway, combined) in both cars.
Green Car Reports tested the C-Max twice, once at a Ford media event, and once unescorted. The magazine reports that, the first time, the C-Max could only muster 37 mpg over 50 miles of mixed freeway...
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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 5:33:51 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse EPA and Cafe Standards have always been bogus. Never been based on real life figures.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,555 Points:749,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 8:28:22 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse so sue them like some are trying with Hyundai/Kia.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,047 Points:2,346,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 5:26:20 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse 2013 Ford Fusion and C-Max Hybrid EPA ratings don’t hold up in the real world? It's the foreign car curse, overstate the mpg rating higher than what it actually is. Refer to: the EPA, Hyundia, and Kia for instructions. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,423 Points:180,250 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 2:05:54 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse another report of mileage estimate not matching expectation
VikingWoman Champion Author Washington Posts:1,283 Points:253,615 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:37:58 AM Ignore VikingWoman Report Abuse Mileage claims are as good as weight-loss product claims - the fine print usually reads something like "results not typical."
RevDrCBJ Veteran Author Ann Arbor Posts:365 Points:188,275 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 12:16:58 AM Ignore RevDrCBJ Report Abuse Right
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,229 Points:519,825 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 12:04:28 AM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse All of the mpg claims are inflated.
melvindale Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,438 Points:351,230 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:59:42 PM Ignore melvindale Report Abuse EPA ratings never hold up. Unless you actually drive just like the test cycle. Then again, some people get better mileage. (Ever hear of a hyper-miler?)
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,574 Points:1,514,080 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:55:36 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse Never do
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,605 Points:689,150 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:55:02 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan d
Gassed01 Champion Author Toronto Posts:6,359 Points:1,803,765 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:52:39 PM Ignore Gassed01 Report Abuse Are Ford's mileage claims exaggerated like Hyundai's? The others are doing to too, so relax. Nobody ever gets the EPA figures unless they're driving continually downhill with the wind behind them.
BoerneWatch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:15,546 Points:2,454,915 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:52:38 PM Ignore BoerneWatch Report Abuse After driving the 2012 F-150 with the eco-boost and not getting over 16 mpg while on the highway, I tend to agree.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,479 Points:1,712,810 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:51:29 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse Probably falsified to generate more interest
Honda_919_Biker All-Star Author Lincoln Posts:811 Points:1,025,985 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:51:25 PM Ignore Honda_919_Biker Report Abuse It's all about driving habits. My 2010 Fusion (NOT a hybrid) with a 2.5L 4cyl stickered at 34 mpg hwy. I have owned it for just over 3 years and I get about 38 mpg REAL LIFE mileage on highway. Combined mpg for daily use gets about 32 mpg. When my wife drives it, fuel economy is reduced by about 10%. If you step on the gas more, you burn more fuel. It's pretty much that simple.
silverfox63 Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,125 Points:1,612,690 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:50:11 PM Ignore silverfox63 Report Abuse This is a huge difference. Out companies could be held accountable for their false claims.
texashoudini Champion Author Austin Posts:2,627 Points:1,097,615 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:47:27 PM Ignore texashoudini Report Abuse 10 mpg is a drastic difference.
bhb2009 Veteran Author Flint Posts:288 Points:766,135 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:46:52 PM Ignore bhb2009 Report Abuse government regulations...
NAVYHM All-Star Author Cleveland Posts:761 Points:1,387,205 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:42:55 PM Ignore NAVYHM Report Abuse WHO'S DOES THESE DAYS... EVERYONE ONLY NEEDS TOO HERE WHAT THE SELLS PITCH IS UNTIL THE CAR IS SOLD... AND IT'S NOT JUST FORD... BY A MILE, IT'S NOT JUST FORD...
bobdec Champion Author Miami Posts:8,969 Points:1,770,795 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:39:11 PM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse No suprise
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:8,385 Points:1,897,035 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:35:57 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse i thought everyone knew this
Spankster85 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,734 Points:358,040 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:35:22 PM Ignore Spankster85 Report Abuse I think Ford and the EPA are stretching out those numbers a little far. And if those are the numbers the cars are displaying on their dashes, I assure you the real fuel economy is a good 1 or 2 miles per gallon lower.
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,946 Points:1,926,555 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:34:15 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse check that.
Piggy1959 Sophomore Author Fort Worth Posts:169 Points:111,430 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:33:59 PM Ignore Piggy1959 Report Abuse Haven't we reviewed these complaints about these over-inflated numbers before? Wasn't there threats of lawsuits, too?
comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:6,867 Points:1,358,640 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:29:03 PM Ignore comprof Report Abuse Not just true of hybrids. Nearly all of the car mileage stickers are never-never land. Get ride of the EPA.
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:3,994 Points:1,920,715 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:29:02 PM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse The're working it
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,932 Points:1,576,930 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:28:30 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse Isn'nt that an interesting twist...
MINIWINI598 Champion Author Washington Posts:3,023 Points:519,675 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:28:20 PM Ignore MINIWINI598 Report Abuse Not a ford fan...
nwsynthetics Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,014 Points:346,425 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:27:31 PM Ignore nwsynthetics Report Abuse You would have to have the right speed and conditions. Now with mega freeways, high speed you are not going to get 47. I notice in my truck keeping it 65 or below on highway(hard when its 70/75 speed zone) you see better mileage. Any car that gets over 20mpg is fine in my book
bearzz Champion Author California Posts:1,437 Points:420,645 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:24:50 PM Ignore bearzz Report Abuse Right on suzmar . . . you expressed it well.
KhelbenArunson Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,451 Points:718,840 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:22:45 PM Ignore KhelbenArunson Report Abuse Hmmm how could this have happened. lol.
BREW9 All-Star Author Tampa Posts:891 Points:2,913,930 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:21:20 PM Ignore BREW9 Report Abuse no shock there
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,212 Points:873,340 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:20:31 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse As most consumers find out, stickers advertised mileage can not be duplicated in real life situations.
mcmonsta Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,232 Points:819,520 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:18:23 PM Ignore mcmonsta Report Abuse is this surprising? don't think you need to look too far to see if everyones car hits the epa rating
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,809 Points:1,844,425 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:17:48 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse No surprise. These are just under ideal conditions. We dont do that on our roads.
crmedic Champion Author Arkansas Posts:2,678 Points:225,125 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:15:25 PM Ignore crmedic Report Abuse ????? Guv'mint
dasimon All-Star Author Florida Posts:556 Points:573,050 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:12:37 PM Ignore dasimon Report Abuse Go figure
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,810 Points:820,285 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:12:04 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Go Ford!!!
Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:8,289 Points:1,676,350 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:10:39 PM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse Shame on the EPA. If they put out fogures they should be able to back them up and prove them.
OOXXFF Champion Author Greensboro Posts:3,068 Points:1,080,380 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:10:26 PM Ignore OOXXFF Report Abuse Do EPA ratings hold up in the real world for most cars?
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WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,736 Points:416,745 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:02:33 PM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse Go Toytoa
fuelsaverMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,282 Points:559,080 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:56:24 PM Ignore fuelsaverMN Report Abuse THE TOYOTA PRIUS HYBRID IS THE BEST OF ALL HYBRIDS.........PERIOD.
MadTraveler Champion Author Idaho Posts:2,082 Points:572,100 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:55:40 PM Ignore MadTraveler Report Abuse Ok
SteveSeattle All-Star Author Seattle Posts:549 Points:172,160 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:55:10 PM Ignore SteveSeattle Report Abuse ok.
weenerdog Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,466 Points:1,885,865 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:53:07 PM Ignore weenerdog Report Abuse really
Bearworld Rookie Author Dallas Posts:77 Points:182,700 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:49:43 PM Ignore Bearworld Report Abuse I have always heard that [you pay more for these cars and even with the fuel savings you never make up the difference.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,315 Points:1,639,895 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:49:41 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse BAD NEWS FOR THE BLUE OVAL!
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,275 Points:2,267,590 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:49:36 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse interesting and metro's got the same mpg without the batterypack
walkingtall Champion Author Toronto Posts:4,004 Points:1,122,655 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:46:44 PM Ignore walkingtall Report Abuse None of the ratings represent real life driving.
hcivic Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,859 Points:2,266,690 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:45:20 PM Ignore hcivic Report Abuse I tend to believe they dont do that much testing as the magazine does. different testing for different drivers