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angel4me Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,814 Points:793,045 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 11:53:26 PM Ignore angel4me Report Abuse California is pushing hard - but not necessarily as smart as possible - in moving the dial from fossil fuels to solar and wind power. The lack of a cohesive strategy could hit consumers in the wallet. That's the warning from a nonpartisan study group that should grab Sacramento's full attention. Price, reliability, oversight and government coordination are all concerns that bear watching as this state pushes the energy envelope. By 2020 - eight short years away - a third of California's electricity must come from solar, wind and other renewable sources, up from the present level of about 20 percent. It's only one clean-and-green goal that the state has assigned itself. Other mandates aim to limit heat-trapping greenhouse gases and reduce tailpipe emissions. The latest addition is a buy Visit San Francisco Chronicle for full article

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California is pushing hard - but not necessarily as smart as possible - in moving the dial from fossil fuels to solar and wind power. The lack of a cohesive strategy could hit consumers in the wallet. That's the warning from a nonpartisan study group that should grab Sacramento's full attention.

Price, reliability, oversight and government coordination are all concerns that bear watching as this state pushes the energy envelope. By 2020 - eight short years away - a third of California's electricity must come from solar, wind and other renewable sources, up from the present level of about 20 percent.

It's only one clean-and-green goal that the state has assigned itself. Other mandates aim to limit heat-trapping greenhouse gases and reduce tailpipe emissions. The latest addition is a buy
Visit San Francisco Chronicle for full article

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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,595 Points:1,202,085 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 11:55:14 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Another Editorial....Mods are getting sloppy!
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,800 Points:639,025 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:23:00 AM Ignore bston Report Abuse Ridiculous!
jamofsocal All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:928 Points:226,425 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:51:37 PM Ignore jamofsocal Report Abuse Really? The most poorly run state in the Nation needs another government agency to provide oversight? Here is the acid test. If they form this oversight agency to watch over the California government, then after the first year the conclusion better be "shut down California". Otherwise the oversight agency is just a sham.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:606,850 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:00:13 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse The entire California government, from Governor Moonbeam on down, needs oversight.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,929 Points:1,012,620 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:15 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse I back this goal.
doctorindyj Champion Author Santa Fe Posts:3,438 Points:836,785 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:48:23 AM Ignore doctorindyj Report Abuse "California is pushing hard - but not necessarily as smart as possible -" They even admit they are not moving smartly but then miss the real point. The media and the church of the green have everyone so cowed they accept everything they are told without a second thought. Therefore they make decisions out of panic or guilt rather than rational thought.
jeffbone Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,351 Points:397,910 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:48:11 AM Ignore jeffbone Report Abuse Another second for StArrow68...
BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:8,707 Points:1,579,180 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:35:49 AM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse Opinion piece
vcsuksu21 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,468 Points:704,430 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:57:08 AM Ignore vcsuksu21 Report Abuse Haha, California needs oversight
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,929 Points:749,935 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:25:30 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse "Dr. Pepper - In my county of Calif (Riverside) the unemployment rate has been over 12% for FOUR YEARS, peaking at over 15% and dipping once to 11% for a month or two. Yeah, things in California are just Peachy. So great we just voted to give our irresponsible govt. more of our money to spend with absolutely no oversight or care in the world. You want taxes? Okay, no problem, we're idiots. Here ya go. Green Energy to "Save the Planet" ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We can't even save ourselves. Give me a break." - FluffyDogAttack ================== Have no fear FluffyDogAttack, ronelp and NHL say all is well!
badbonita Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,204 Points:1,349,710 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:14:39 AM Ignore badbonita Report Abuse Gotta ditto STArrow. Said it so well.
peabeax55 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:713 Points:185,515 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:48:17 AM Ignore peabeax55 Report Abuse So. The bureaucracy needs more bureaucracy.
Luckylindy Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,499 Points:1,124,145 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:06:38 AM Ignore Luckylindy Report Abuse Ditto to STArrow.
MImusicman Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,858 Points:404,750 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:29:32 AM Ignore MImusicman Report Abuse what StArrow68 said!!!
Radar1992 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,310 Points:307,240 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:26:09 AM Ignore Radar1992 Report Abuse StArrow68...I could not have said it better.... This is all about the making people feel good about themselves not economics...
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:7,302 Points:1,524,720 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:18:42 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse This is the direction the US is going. It is not good.
dandvicb Champion Author Bridgeport Posts:1,217 Points:1,074,030 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:59:44 AM Ignore dandvicb Report Abuse and bankrupt solar companies
yardslave Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,539 Points:593,005 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:59:27 AM Ignore yardslave Report Abuse Sounds painfull ...
grandpadon28110 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:4,701 Points:1,139,385 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:50:26 AM Ignore grandpadon28110 Report Abuse ok.
StArrow68 Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,242 Points:1,357,565 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:46:48 AM Ignore StArrow68 Report Abuse Ah, the inevitable unintended consequences, consumers will pay while the greenies feel good about themselves. The results have been good in the past, it's just too bad they continue to proceed with so little clue of the long term costs.
pricewar Champion Author Ogden Posts:1,930 Points:271,540 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:58:45 AM Ignore pricewar Report Abuse That's the problem with California, they don't do anything the smart way. I think they experience flash backs from the 1960's... Tripping hard
Alaydown Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,098 Points:820,470 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:10:00 AM Ignore Alaydown Report Abuse The headline is an understatement. They are clueless here about the difference between reality and their green fantasy plans.
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,308 Points:175,500 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:05:55 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse oversight is needed? from the article, sounds like more planning and analysis may be needed first...
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,089 Points:2,368,445 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:47:45 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse california needs to be given back to mexico
RonElp All-Star Author El Paso Posts:763 Points:109,620 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:10:54 AM Ignore RonElp Report Abuse It doesn't matter what others say... this is good for California. Congratulations to a state that is trying to be energy efficient and lower emissions.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,061 Points:95,260 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:56:50 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Dr. Pepper - In my county of Calif (Riverside) the unemployment rate has been over 12% for FOUR YEARS, peaking at over 15% and dipping once to 11% for a month or two. Yeah, things in California are just Peachy. So great we just voted to give our irresponsible govt. more of our money to spend with absolutely no oversight or care in the world. You want taxes? Okay, no problem, we're idiots. Here ya go. Green Energy to "Save the Planet" ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We can't even save ourselves. Give me a break.
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,322 Points:741,775 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:54:58 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse Good luck with that
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,929 Points:749,935 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:26 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse NHL says "California is doing quite well..." ========== LOL, since when has a $16,000,000,000 budget shortfall, the highest state income tax in the nation, 10.2% unemployment, a credit rating of A- (that's six levels below AAA) and the lowest in the nation, been considered "doing quite well???
cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,002 Points:793,365 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:24:34 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse Study group? I remember those from college.
JohnofGB Champion Author Flint Posts:5,406 Points:1,093,270 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:18:10 AM Ignore JohnofGB Report Abuse Hasn't California slid into the Pacific yet?
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,070 Points:1,619,180 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:13:10 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse California is doing quite well and has always been a technology leader. When crude oil displaced mineral oil and whale oil, I suppose there was a "cohesive strategy" from the likes of J.P. Morgan et al! If California state government waited, all residents would still be encased in smog for most of each year and millions more would have expired from lung cancer.
graceman Champion Author Baltimore Posts:4,968 Points:1,158,725 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:06:23 AM Ignore graceman Report Abuse They are moving in the right direction.