Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    2:25 AM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: California's green plans need oversight Back to Topics
angel4me
Champion Author
San Jose

Posts:2,814
Points:841,745
Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 11:53:26 PM

California is pushing hard - but not necessarily as smart as possible - in moving the dial from fossil fuels to solar and wind power. The lack of a cohesive strategy could hit consumers in the wallet. That's the warning from a nonpartisan study group that should grab Sacramento's full attention.

Price, reliability, oversight and government coordination are all concerns that bear watching as this state pushes the energy envelope. By 2020 - eight short years away - a third of California's electricity must come from solar, wind and other renewable sources, up from the present level of about 20 percent.

It's only one clean-and-green goal that the state has assigned itself. Other mandates aim to limit heat-trapping greenhouse gases and reduce tailpipe emissions. The latest addition is a buy
Visit San Francisco Chronicle for full article
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
LetemEatCake
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:5,705
Points:1,360,915
Joined:Mar 2008
Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 11:55:14 PM


Another Editorial....Mods are getting sloppy!
bston
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:5,006
Points:1,417,450
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:23:00 AM

Ridiculous!
jamofsocal
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:2,762
Points:890,735
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:51:37 PM

Really? The most poorly run state in the Nation needs another government agency to provide oversight?

Here is the acid test. If they form this oversight agency to watch over the California government, then after the first year the conclusion better be "shut down California". Otherwise the oversight agency is just a sham.
CVA19
Champion Author Salem

Posts:3,572
Points:1,331,700
Joined:Aug 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:00:13 PM

The entire California government, from Governor Moonbeam on down, needs oversight.
schatzila
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:5,986
Points:1,226,545
Joined:Jun 2010
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:15 PM

I back this goal.
doctorindyj
Champion Author Santa Fe

Posts:5,239
Points:1,549,000
Joined:Nov 2009
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:48:23 AM

"California is pushing hard - but not necessarily as smart as possible -"

They even admit they are not moving smartly but then miss the real point. The media and the church of the green have everyone so cowed they accept everything they are told without a second thought. Therefore they make decisions out of panic or guilt rather than rational thought.
jeffbone
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:2,812
Points:737,605
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:48:11 AM

Another second for StArrow68...
BurntOrange
Champion Author Austin

Posts:12,074
Points:2,326,150
Joined:Nov 2007
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:35:49 AM

Opinion piece
vcsuksu21
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:2,543
Points:1,026,885
Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:57:08 AM

Haha, California needs oversight
drpepperTX
Champion Author Texas

Posts:14,373
Points:1,525,190
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:25:30 AM

"Dr. Pepper - In my county of Calif (Riverside) the unemployment rate has been over 12% for FOUR YEARS, peaking at over 15% and dipping once to 11% for a month or two.

Yeah, things in California are just Peachy. So great we just voted to give our irresponsible govt. more of our money to spend with absolutely no oversight or care in the world. You want taxes? Okay, no problem, we're idiots. Here ya go.

Green Energy to "Save the Planet" ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We can't even save ourselves. Give me a break." - FluffyDogAttack

==================
Have no fear FluffyDogAttack, ronelp and NHL say all is well!
badbonita
Champion Author Syracuse

Posts:9,501
Points:2,129,350
Joined:Jul 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:14:39 AM

Gotta ditto STArrow. Said it so well.
peabeax55
All-Star Author Atlanta

Posts:917
Points:305,230
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:48:17 AM

So. The bureaucracy needs more bureaucracy.
Luckylindy
Champion Author Milwaukee

Posts:7,453
Points:1,871,330
Joined:May 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:06:38 AM

Ditto to STArrow.
MImusicman
Champion Author Michigan

Posts:5,123
Points:1,184,575
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:29:32 AM

what StArrow68 said!!!
Radar1992
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:4,551
Points:1,083,840
Joined:Dec 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:26:09 AM

StArrow68...I could not have said it better....

This is all about the making people feel good about themselves not economics...
mandoid
Champion Author Alabama

Posts:10,501
Points:2,268,680
Joined:May 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:18:42 AM

This is the direction the US is going. It is not good.
dandvicb
Champion Author Bridgeport

Posts:3,319
Points:1,775,865
Joined:Jul 2004
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:59:44 AM

and bankrupt solar companies
yardslave
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:5,829
Points:1,373,195
Joined:Dec 2005
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:59:27 AM

Sounds painfull ...
grandpadon28110
Champion Author Charlotte

Posts:7,954
Points:1,914,640
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:50:26 AM

ok.
StArrow68
Champion Author Oakland

Posts:6,497
Points:2,123,940
Joined:Apr 2003
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:46:48 AM

Ah, the inevitable unintended consequences, consumers will pay while the greenies feel good about themselves. The results have been good in the past, it's just too bad they continue to proceed with so little clue of the long term costs.
pricewar
Champion Author Ogden

Posts:5,246
Points:1,052,080
Joined:Jul 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:58:45 AM

That's the problem with California, they don't do anything the smart way.
I think they experience flash backs from the 1960's... Tripping hard
Alaydown
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:7,249
Points:1,232,360
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:10:00 AM

The headline is an understatement. They are clueless here about the difference between reality and their green fantasy plans.
iFueler
Champion Author Durham

Posts:76,330
Points:951,850
Joined:Nov 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:05:55 AM

oversight is needed? from the article, sounds like more planning and analysis may be needed first...
humblepie
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:63,778
Points:3,149,920
Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:47:45 AM

california needs to be given back to mexico
RonElp
All-Star Author El Paso

Posts:763
Points:109,720
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:10:54 AM

It doesn't matter what others say... this is good for California. Congratulations to a state that is trying to be energy efficient and lower emissions.
FluffyDogAttack
Champion Author Riverside

Posts:1,772
Points:191,005
Joined:Oct 2012
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:56:50 AM

Dr. Pepper - In my county of Calif (Riverside) the unemployment rate has been over 12% for FOUR YEARS, peaking at over 15% and dipping once to 11% for a month or two.

Yeah, things in California are just Peachy. So great we just voted to give our irresponsible govt. more of our money to spend with absolutely no oversight or care in the world. You want taxes? Okay, no problem, we're idiots. Here ya go.

Green Energy to "Save the Planet" ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We can't even save ourselves. Give me a break.
el_fr
Champion Author Massachusetts

Posts:6,581
Points:1,520,480
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:54:58 AM

Good luck with that
drpepperTX
Champion Author Texas

Posts:14,373
Points:1,525,190
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:36:26 AM

NHL says "California is doing quite well..."
==========
LOL, since when has a $16,000,000,000 budget shortfall, the highest state income tax in the nation, 10.2% unemployment, a credit rating of A- (that's six levels below AAA) and the lowest in the nation, been considered "doing quite well???
cheapchickKY
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:7,470
Points:1,565,515
Joined:Jan 2011
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:24:34 AM

Study group? I remember those from college.
JohnofGB
Champion Author Flint

Posts:8,654
Points:1,870,120
Joined:Feb 2010
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:18:10 AM

Hasn't California slid into the Pacific yet?
NHLiveFree
Champion Author New Hampshire

Posts:14,945
Points:2,382,325
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:13:10 AM


California is doing quite well and has always been a technology leader.

When crude oil displaced mineral oil and whale oil, I suppose there was a "cohesive strategy" from the likes of J.P. Morgan et al!

If California state government waited, all residents would still be encased in smog for most of each year and millions more would have expired from lung cancer.
graceman
Champion Author Baltimore

Posts:4,968
Points:1,159,725
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:06:23 AM

They are moving in the right direction.
Post a reply Back to Topics