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go-dog-go
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:14:37 AM

There was a time when rising oil prices and gasoline shortages made fuels like propane, natural gas and biodiesel popular alternatives, but where are they now?

The 30 propane stations scattered around the GTA these days is a paltry sum when there were hundreds in the 80s and 90s and though they’re mostly found today where taxis and fleet vehicles fill up around the airport and industrial zones, liquid petroleum gas (LPG) is still the most practical alternative fuel for internal combustion engines.

A by-product of natural gas processing and crude oil refining, propane has a well-established infrastructure and it’s really the only alternate fuel that can be purchased from coast to coast and in all the urban and rural areas in between.

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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:18:47 PM


To those posters who are interested in conversion costs....Google LPG and/or NG conversions for Vehicles. There are many commercial parts suppliers out there as well as Mechanics who will do it for you turn-key.

[Edited by: LetemEatCake at 12/5/2012 11:19:33 PM EST]
07skydriver
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:16:08 AM

Just stay home.
zwsn01
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:13:39 AM

Converting is not that hard. Just nned a supplier
mrjames1818
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:27:21 AM

Why haven't we heard more about this? What are the conversion costs?
VikingWoman
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:58:12 AM

Propane isn't cheap anymore either.
Packman3231
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:33:05 AM

Do we chase whims or what?
sehonda
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:28:53 AM

no infrastructure existing
TWS658
Champion Author Portland

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:28:24 AM

It is one alternative with a decent infrastructure but political leaders want something that they think needs their help and government based infrastructure.
kgbellman
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:26:38 AM

Not much around here that I've seen
Happytalk
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:26:18 AM

good for bar B Q
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:22:50 AM

Not much around here.
BeulahME
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:20:42 AM

I don't drive my grill.
SkooterG
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:17:20 AM

Not a long term solution.
iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:09:47 AM

any alternative to gasoline needs to be readily available...
GasHunter0007
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:08:23 AM

Big oil made sure that the practical alternatives in the 80s and 90s are not as viable as it used to be -- why do you think that is? So, now I know where my tax $$ are going. It wasn't to subsidize the R&D for these companies. It's to make sure that alternatives are no longer alternatives so I will keep buying oil/gas. Wow! Why didn't I think of that! Greedy is greedy does.
Robert44
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:06:40 AM

I say it again, until gasoline stays above 4$ or maybe even 5$ the people will not switch to some other fuel!!!!!!
metrojeep
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:06:11 AM

Not sure this is a great alternative in the long run
dongo50
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:04:24 AM

no
granitestater
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:02:54 AM

There is plenty of oil to found yet. As long as you're willing to pay the price. We've exhausted the near-surface oil that we could find in our back yards, so to speak. Now we look for oil in the distant, difficult and dangerous parts of this planet. You want cheap oil? Move to Mars, so to speak...
HawaiianGuy
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:58:13 AM

Well, what the heck are you waiting for? Tax it! That's what government does best, right?
RENEGADEGAS
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:57:42 AM

Natural gas is to limited and our supplies will be exhausted in no time. Especially will the constant exportation and conversions to Natural Gas.
greenfog
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:56:46 AM

the conversions cost way to much.
OldMoses
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:56:09 AM

She's alright, propane....
jacob5066
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:54:07 AM

Just might be or at least one of them
CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:52:41 AM

I'm not really interested. I love my Jeep! There are plenty of improvements that can be made to Jeeps, but I'm in love!
GAS1251
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:51:57 AM

Propane used to be quite popular in N Texas for pickups.
BEngr
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:48:58 AM

It may be a while before I trade for an alternative fuel type vehicle, I don't want to spend that much money to save a few cents per mile.
vulcan96
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:45:53 AM

no, it would drive up the price of home heating fuel
charg3rguy1991
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:44:57 AM

Other than electricity were still along way away from a alternative to ga. It would be cool though to have a large natural gas or propane tank at home to fill up ours vehicles with.
PetroScopper
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:43:57 AM

We are way beyond the time to begin to embrace alternative fuels.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:43:15 AM

maybe in canada eh
jorod55
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:42:34 AM

Hydrogen.
bbigred
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:42:12 AM

BIG OIL is against anything...Except BIG OIL>>>and will do anything to hinder alternatives that are threat
Matt G
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:41:25 AM

I doubt it
pcwhiz5385
Sophomore Author Georgia

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:40:29 AM

Get a biodiesel processor and start making your own fuel. That's what I'm gonna do.
jackson661
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:35:52 AM

Sounds like a great alternative.
UseLessGasFolks
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:30:35 AM


Temporary at best...
Tigercat88
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:21:18 AM

People will always make up their mines with their pocketbooks.
TBONE3
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:17:31 AM

It may be BUT I believe other alternatives will appear thus making the real winner decision ten, maybe 20 years down the road.
Buddy2264
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:10:09 AM

But I am guessing the price is higher than natural gas. Fleets like before will begin using more natural gas or CNG first and have the fueling stations. This will free up more fuels for others for now but I am guessing will not lower the price.
rd2000
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:08:55 AM

about time
wally52
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:07:47 AM

Not if the oil company's have anything to say about it.
jimgraham
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:07:23 AM

In the 60's I had a Ford pickup that was bi-fuel... Gasoline and propane. Worked just fine. My uncle had a gigantic (at least to me) Minneapolis-Moline propane fueled tractor in the 50's. It also worked well for him.
DirtDauber
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:05:32 AM

It will certainly help.
Thomtec
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:02:09 AM

No it is not the way.
Lizzylou
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:59:58 AM

I don't think so!
KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:59:51 AM

A very interesting and informative article.
Pozole
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:56:49 AM

...not any cheaper...and when gov'ts findout you want to use it for driving, they run fast to put more taxes on it...
grandamgt1
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:55:37 AM

Better than nothing.
Thomtec
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:55:35 AM

No
BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:55:15 AM


Overpriced, overrated!
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