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angel4me

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:21:27 AM

InsideClimateNews.org (Phoenix, Arizona) -- From a block away, the house was hardly visible, hidden by a dense stand of native mesquite and palo verde trees and tall clumps of prickly pear cactus. Close up, you could see the concrete block structure, built a half century ago when acres of citrus groves were broken into parcels and replaced by homes.

Turning the site back into desert took some work, Brock Tunnicliff explained, standing outside his house on a typical September morning in the Sonoran desert, temperatures in the mid-80s under a nearly cloudless sky. It also took some courage, because desert landscaping isn't popular in Phoenix. Most people here still prefer a lawn out front and a swimming pool in the back.

For Tunnicliff, who works in natural resource management, adopting
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 7:17:46 AM

Yes we can if the will is there.
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 12:05:15 AM


Fossil fuel follies bumble?

Superb commentary and recommended reading orphancarguy..!!! Thanks for a great article angel..!
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 12:02:40 AM


Yes! It is definitely time to go forward and get a true renewable energy plan in place for our future, not for that of the oil, gas, and coal industry.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:24:24 PM


Listerone...Germany passed the US by some years ago. Why would they want to go backwards?

[Edited by: LetemEatCake at 11/23/2012 10:25:13 PM EST]
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listerone
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 8:41:13 PM

Can Germany create its own US-style Energy Revolution?
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YaBassa
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 6:24:52 PM

One could only hope that the US will wake up and get serious about developing a renewable energy program.
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rcornel
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 6:15:09 PM

Ok
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YumaFellow
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 3:44:44 PM

Lots of folks in Phoenix have moved to desert landscaping, partly to save on water. Actually, trees that shade a house help to lower the cooling costs as well, so there is more than one way to save on energy. And with as much sun as we get in the desert, solar only makes sense.
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leemun
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:12:31 PM

Last time I noticed, Germany's energy revolution wasn't working so well. Unreliable wind power, importing power from oil-fired plants in Austria.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:07:51 PM

even they, now say it was a mistake, why follow in follies footsteps ?
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tnfran
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:32:09 PM

Glad for him.
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bcline909
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:26:25 PM

way to go Tunnicliff
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tmon6219
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:07:03 PM

The article is leaving out the fact that Germany is using the nearby countries to handle the balancing of there electrical grid system without them getting anything out of it. It seems Germany can't send excess power from one part of their country to another using only their own grid system.
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CocoPaz
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:50:18 PM

orphancarguyPE: your post was so good, I emailed it to myself. We are looking for ways to save electricity and $$.

We are praying for those of you on the East Coast.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:47:36 PM

I'm sure no one wants to pay the gas prices in Germany.
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FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:42:12 PM

The sky is falling
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:32:39 PM

Well, climate change deniers--keep on drinking that Fox News Kool-aid
how about this: http://scienceprogress.org/2012/11/27479/
the count is now 13,296 to 24.

You can change to renewables fast and expensive as Ontario and Germany have done by concentrating on the most expensive solar that there is--solar PV electricity and paying profit making business fistfuls of money to build it quick. Or, you can make more sensible choices and still do it quickly for less money. It gets expensive if you also wait for government or business to build some huge centralized facility rather than doing it yourself cheaply. One hundred thousand grains of sand weigh as much as one big rock, and one hundred thousand homeowners can replace as much power as one big power plant.

First, cut out the expensive rate bribery to profit-making middlemen. Do it yourself as in YOU, or your business, or your village, or town , or city, by way of a co-op if its large enough. A local small (18,000) city spent $30million on four large Vestas producing 3 megawatts each, and it makes $18 million in revenue and $2 Million in NET profit every year which goes back into the community in paying for other upgrades, and 'free' electric lighting for ballfields and other sports and community places. It also provides up to 100% of the city's power needs, especially overnight, slashing overall costs for electricity bought from a profit making utility.

Second-actually work out the math, and surprise yourself. I put up a $3000 solar air heater on my house (working now--its 76F inside) and $7000 on solar hot water panels, plus another $1000 in upgrades, on my own house out of my own pocket, and now I'm down to just over half a tank of heating oil a year, instead of 4.5 tanks for heat and hot water, for a saving of about $4000 a year. Over the next 6 years, staying with oil would cost me nearly $6000-$7000 including new oil tank, furnace repairs and servicing, and higher (oil spill) house insurance, so instead I'll rip out the boiler furnace and replace it with another solar hot water system and be break even. Running costs for both solar water systems (with electric backup--it has never been needed BTW) and the solar air heater would cost me a grand total of $10 a year, with a $250 service call for each hot water system--flush and new antifreeze--every 15 years.

Solar PV is the last thing I'd personally spend money on because solar everything else is a much better bargain, but I will put some in eventually. Even then, the complete payback time for enough to cover my complete current electrical demand would only be 8 years

Its pretty liberating NOT paying large dollars to a utility month after month, year after year, and my heat and hot water is just about/will be entirely carbon emission-free. One day, my electricity too. The house that makes most or all of its own heat, hot water and electricity with solar and wind power, doesn't have to burn anything and doesn't have to buy it from a grid/supplier either.

The Chinese and the Indians--mostly from local grass-roots organizations--are trying to head off the 1200 new central coal power plants with clean solar. Central governments are usually the last ones to figure out that small and local beats big and central.
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:26:16 PM

Not till the US develops a comprhensive energy policy.
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ceklea
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:08:05 PM

As the article states, "In 2000, Germany's Renewable Energies Act went into effect, and power generated from the sun, wind, and biomass soared. In 2012, U.S. politicians are still wrangling about whether global warming is a hoax."
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Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:59:17 AM

No,
US creates its own style of energy rules.
We do not recognize German style, Germans are eating out smaller nations like Spain, Greece and Portugal.
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Suzzoom
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:52:56 AM

The US continues to allow religiosity to stall progress. Europeans marvel at our bullheaded stupidity.
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bigt61
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:27:08 AM

"Nearly 1,200 new coal-fired power plants are being planned across the globe, mostly in India and China, according to a report by the World Resources Institute. China is the No. 1 coal-fired power producer, followed by the U.S. and India. Germany and Japan round up the top five."

Keep driving your hybrid and think you are making a difference in "global warming".

Nearly 1,200 coal plants planned - Nov 21, 2012
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:11:51 AM

From the article: "The primary reason for the renewable energy gulf between the United States and Germany can be summed-up in one word: policy. In 2000, Germany's Renewable Energies Act went into effect, and power generated from the sun, wind, and biomass soared. In 2012, U.S. politicians are still wrangling about whether global warming is a hoax."

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Well, actually it IS a good idea to determine whether or not your policy is guided by TRUTH or lies. "Global Warming" is a hoax. Another one-word summation explaining the gulf between the U.S. and Germany is "Constitution". We believe that the Federal government is limited in its authority and scope, because the Constitution only delegated certain powers to it. Those remaining were left to the states and the people.

Folks are free to spend their money on renewables if THEY should so choose, however, it isn't within the government's authority to mandate such or tax one party in order to subsidize another.
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MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:11:06 AM

I wonder what his neighbors think of his yard?
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katmandue
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:05:49 AM

yes we can but the oil block everything not oil related teaparty will not let it happen.
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dm9667_23
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:04:55 AM

interesting
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:04:42 AM

Check the price of power in the motherland
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uglytom
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:01:37 AM

The future is NOW!
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200porter
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:54:47 AM

Good for the Germans. We should follow their example.
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Discovery02
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:49:11 AM

Greener energy and renewable energy sources for homes, businesses, automobiles, industry, you name it, IS the way of the future. The only question is whether we want to lead (which Germany is clearly doing now) or at least be at the head of the pack, OR going the way of the dinosaur.
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Tucker16
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:36:50 AM

Hopefully without the massive subsidies that Germany spent on this.
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JoeWino
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:29:51 AM

I live in sun rich Texas and even if I wanted to add solar panels the powerful HOA in this community would not allow it.
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Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:29:42 AM

Dont even want to
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