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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:09:53 AM

A new report calls into question gasoline price spikes in California this year, arguing costs outpaced the traditional supply-and-demand model and insinuating market manipulation on the part of oil refineries.
The report, released Thursday by Oregon consultant group McCullough Research, tracked nitrous oxide levels -- chemicals released during normal refinery operations -- in the air near refineries. Researchers found that levels were normal during times that refineries reportedly were offline due to power outages, fires or other production interruptions.

Consumer Watchdog, a Santa Monica-based public advocacy group, is calling for a criminal investigation by the state attorney general into whether oil companies purposely misrepresented their production in order to increase gas prices and
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 8:11:06 PM

I'm shocked.
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ss70
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 10:35:13 AM

Duh... most of the people guess that already
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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:01:20 AM

We kind of all knew that months ago when the average price for a gallon of gas in the Southland was a buck above the rest of the country!
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virostek
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 7:19:40 AM

NOt sure how the punishment will help the little guy?
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:34:23 AM


Hang 'em High! A bunch of unethical so and sos.
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GDAE
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:20:10 PM

"The oil companies lied? I'm shocked. ;p"

Who'd a thunk it?
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:17:11 PM


Oil corporations learned a long time ago that they can make more money from a gas shortage. They've been deceiving the consumer for decades.
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wamster
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 9:50:37 PM

The oil companies lied? I'm shocked. ;p
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:59:51 PM

that is SUCH a surprise
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:19:40 PM

watch and see.
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BBopp
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:06:16 PM

A bunch of liars! They are as bad as any politician or speculator.
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bruin19MD
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:49:04 PM

Interesting article, many good points.
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:48:26 PM

If California isn't happy about the lack of competition, it can always build and run its own refineries.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:43:34 PM

A kind of fraud that must be investigated
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:41:12 PM

Business as usual.
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scu227
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:03:48 PM

Old news and still no action taken !!!
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cdrrod
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:44:01 PM

It's still another consumer rip-off!!!
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:33:53 PM

I don't get why it is anybody's business whether they were producing fuel or not.

If they produce fuel, then they add to the supply and thus get paid for the fuel they sell.

If they don't produce fuel, they don't get paid. Even if they do produce fuel, but choose not to sell it until the price rises, that's their prerogative. That's what open market selling is.

Regardless of whether they are attempting to manipulate anything or not with their influence, all the info being presented to make this claim is circumstantial at best anyway. But even if it was proven they were producing when they said they weren't, how is that bad for the customers? More supply is more supply. If they supply, but claim they didn't and that increases price, then the flaw in the system isn't them. It's something else.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:09:00 PM

What kind of corporation operates like they are located in hostile enemy territory? What have they to hid? Is it just to increase profits by lying to their customers?
Pay them 10 cents on the dollar and confiscate the property. Issue new a new public stock offering, put the management responsible in jail. this hiding behind the corporate liability laws has to stop.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:04:09 PM

No surprise here.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:54:19 AM

there are sooooo many factors that affect gas prices ..... dont sneeze :(
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:45:58 AM

JohnofGB, it's not dishonest it's an Econ 101 principle. don't like it, buy refiner stocks.
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Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:45:52 AM

What's new?
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:44:33 AM

there are too many competing refiners for the market to allow "manipulation"
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:44:29 AM

And when they buy the less expensive crude, West Texas Intermediate, they price their output, gasoline, by the much more expensive Brent crude. Its dishonest.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:44:19 AM

Did you expect something different?
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:43:51 AM

there is a not so fine line between operating a business prudently and "manipulating"
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:42:41 AM

refiners regularly vary their formulations to produce the blend that's more profitable.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:35:25 AM

gimme a break
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:34:58 AM

WOW is what I have to say to this article. $25 million/per day for this 66 cent/gallon of gas increase.

If they find out that these allegations are true, I hope they get them where it hurts....hopefully fines, BIG HEFTY FINES!
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:21:57 AM

Remember deregulation? Who was the idiot in charge that let that happen?
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:21:33 AM

Realllllllly????? SHOCKER! Anyone REALLLY surprised by this??
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munkeyciao
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:19:21 AM

*sigh*

And this is news?
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:18:43 AM

or they are just going about their business in a normal way
instead of clearing everything with the press
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YaBassa
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:17:48 AM

Big Oil manipulating the market...who would ever have thought that would happen.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:11:21 AM

when haven't they?
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