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GasPasserAB

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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:51:58 PM

For Honda Motor Co. (7267) it was a rude moment when Hyundai Motor Co. (005380) unfurled a banner at the 2010 Detroit auto show touting the Korean brand as America’s most fuel-efficient. Honda’s U.S. sales chief vowed that Hyundai’s apparent victory would “motivate us even further.”

Now it’s payback time. Just as Honda ramps up sales of a new Accord sedan and prepares a modified Civic small car, Hyundai and its affiliate Kia Motors Corp. (000270) are regrouping after admitting to the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings ever found by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 8:41:21 AM

I would not characterize Hyundai's misclaim on its vehicles' fuel economy as " the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings ever." As I recall, most of the claimed mileage for its cars were only one or two mpg better than the actual number.
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dbellie
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:54:15 PM

dang
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newman26
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:51:43 PM

Bought an Elantra in May. They overstated there estimates one mpg per gallon. I am going to get a gas card for about $18.00 because of this. Do not think this will effect Hyundai in the long term
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ktyson13
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:41:33 AM

Never buying a Hunday.
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YumaFellow
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:22:45 AM

It looks like Honda has made an effort to rework its upcoming models, getting gas economy back up and quality up as well. But Toyota, with its Prius, may still be the leader of the pack.
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Norm10
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:46:36 AM

I doubt this will have any negative influence on anyone but the EPA!
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Dr Gas
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 9:51:22 AM

What I've been wondering for awhile now is - how much MORE mpgs could these cars get if they'd not be so luxurious.
I mean does the car need to be better than my house?

I don't need leather.
I don't need plush seats.
I don't need every gadget available.
I don't listen to what CR has to say about a car.
It all media hype about what CR had to say. Is the car any LESS becuase of the review - NOPE! And I have NEVER owned a Honda, but I'll bakc it just because of the CR reivew against it!

Take some of the FLUFF of these cars, and get the cost down, screw the CR reviews and MAYBE you'd sell more.

Does anyone remember the early '80s Civic, yet it sold BECAUSE it was cheap and reliable and high mpgs!
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335d1
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:43:53 AM

Competition is a good thing.
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werich44
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:13:09 AM

Hopefully, folks will show their displeasure with their wallets.
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coughlin
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:07:40 AM

But Honda will handle it like a Pro and (hopefully) not do a Touchdown Dance. Like Walter Payton used to say, "Act like you do it everyday".
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nozzle46
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:07:19 AM

Hyndai joins the liars club.
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LanguageMan1
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:53:06 AM

Maybe, maybe not; we'll see.
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Ltdc
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:48:08 AM

I never understand over stating MPG since the real world will quickly tell the truth.
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CivicMA
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:46:05 AM

Competition is always good and drives companies to seek new, better technologies.

Just as long as they do it honestly and don't twist and lie about the facts!
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csblesson
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:43:41 AM

It is good!
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:41:37 AM

Good competition
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:28:59 AM

ok
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el_fr
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:46:29 AM

Ha! Too good to be true
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Straitliner
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:15:21 AM

Makes you want to go out and buy a frickin Hyundai,Honda,Kia or some other foreign nameplate car.
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hokieburgh
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:07:07 AM

interesting read
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MImusicman
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:58:48 AM

Go Honda!
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ss70
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:58:47 AM

time for record fines for Hyundai . Honda and toyota are better than them
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leeac
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:08:11 AM

Hyundai committed fraud. Someone should go to jail and Hyundai should be punished.
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:54:43 AM

Hyundai got caught with a great big hand in a small mouthed cookie jar. Now it is cover you losses time.
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SBlouch
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:45:38 AM

Honda should be very happy, but if one company is overstating its energy ratings, could Honda been overstating theirs too. Wonder if EPA will investigate Honda.
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MN1
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:43:56 AM

"the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings" - sounds more like an outright lie to me.
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SkooterG
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 3:40:43 AM

Cheaters letting Honda, Ford and Toyota catch up.
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grandamgt1
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 3:12:36 AM

Not a bad sort of payback.
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Jeeputtputt
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:20:16 AM

Same old crap, lies, lies, lies...
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Vette1967
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:08:35 AM

What started as a lie could be good for the consumer.
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unipanini
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:01:57 AM

Whatever motivates you
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:47:07 AM

And the newcomer builder of riceburners lied. Oops.
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joeschmo12
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:19:51 AM

i c
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raja29
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:19:31 AM

Gud
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MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:16:01 AM

Competition on who can increase the mpg is great. Add in gas price wars and the average American may actually see a noticeable benefit.
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RRBC
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:59:42 AM

Good for US EPA to have uncovered that.
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AKmailman
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:53:04 AM

Since when do you buy a car based on the phonetic EPA sticker ?
Whatever happened to kicking the tires and going for a test drive ?
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1momsunshine
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:48:23 AM

Good
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:29:38 AM

Big game indeed
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graceman
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:24:55 AM

They should be fined a huge amount for false advertisement.
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:16:37 AM

HONDA ALSO LIKES TO BEND THE TRUTH !!!!

WHAT BRAND OF GAS YOU USE CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
MY STRAIGHT SIX RWD LIKES SINCLAIR PREMIUM (30 MPG).
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obimerrill
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:14:21 AM

Good
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bills299
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:08:39 AM

Good for Americans!!
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Ahking
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:59:03 PM

good
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gumbyrex
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:50:21 PM

All is fair in marketing, let the buyer beware.
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danindenver
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:22:42 PM

Another example of why the free market is successful.
Competition sharpens the focus and inspires innovation.

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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:13:23 PM

They needed a kick in the a.. to wake them up that they were falling behind
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:02:02 PM

Lucky Honda.
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davenles
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:49:43 PM

Making an example of them.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:34:39 PM

It only encourages others to better its competition.
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