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GasPasserAB Champion Author Edmonton Posts:25,615 Points:915,875 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:51:58 PM Ignore GasPasserAB Report Abuse For Honda Motor Co. (7267) it was a rude moment when Hyundai Motor Co. (005380) unfurled a banner at the 2010 Detroit auto show touting the Korean brand as America’s most fuel-efficient. Honda’s U.S. sales chief vowed that Hyundai’s apparent victory would “motivate us even further.” Now it’s payback time. Just as Honda ramps up sales of a new Accord sedan and prepares a modified Civic small car, Hyundai and its affiliate Kia Motors Corp. (000270) are regrouping after admitting to the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings ever found by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Visit Bloomberg for full article

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For Honda Motor Co. (7267) it was a rude moment when Hyundai Motor Co. (005380) unfurled a banner at the 2010 Detroit auto show touting the Korean brand as America’s most fuel-efficient. Honda’s U.S. sales chief vowed that Hyundai’s apparent victory would “motivate us even further.”

Now it’s payback time. Just as Honda ramps up sales of a new Accord sedan and prepares a modified Civic small car, Hyundai and its affiliate Kia Motors Corp. (000270) are regrouping after admitting to the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings ever found by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

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TruthMatters Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,586 Points:558,555 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 8:41:21 AM Ignore TruthMatters Report Abuse I would not characterize Hyundai's misclaim on its vehicles' fuel economy as " the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings ever." As I recall, most of the claimed mileage for its cars were only one or two mpg better than the actual number.
dbellie Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:326 Points:47,325 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:54:15 PM Ignore dbellie Report Abuse dang
newman26 Veteran Author Milwaukee Posts:320 Points:1,474,850 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:51:43 PM Ignore newman26 Report Abuse Bought an Elantra in May. They overstated there estimates one mpg per gallon. I am going to get a gas card for about $18.00 because of this. Do not think this will effect Hyundai in the long term
ktyson13 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,556 Points:403,650 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:41:33 AM Ignore ktyson13 Report Abuse Never buying a Hunday.
YumaFellow Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,431 Points:650,295 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:22:45 AM Ignore YumaFellow Report Abuse It looks like Honda has made an effort to rework its upcoming models, getting gas economy back up and quality up as well. But Toyota, with its Prius, may still be the leader of the pack.
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,396 Points:165,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:46:36 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse I doubt this will have any negative influence on anyone but the EPA!
Dr Gas Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,286 Points:360,350 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 9:51:22 AM Ignore Dr Gas Report Abuse What I've been wondering for awhile now is - how much MORE mpgs could these cars get if they'd not be so luxurious. I mean does the car need to be better than my house? I don't need leather. I don't need plush seats. I don't need every gadget available. I don't listen to what CR has to say about a car. It all media hype about what CR had to say. Is the car any LESS becuase of the review - NOPE! And I have NEVER owned a Honda, but I'll bakc it just because of the CR reivew against it! Take some of the FLUFF of these cars, and get the cost down, screw the CR reviews and MAYBE you'd sell more. Does anyone remember the early '80s Civic, yet it sold BECAUSE it was cheap and reliable and high mpgs!
335d1 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,524 Points:786,745 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:43:53 AM Ignore 335d1 Report Abuse Competition is a good thing.
werich44 Champion Author California Posts:1,999 Points:496,505 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:13:09 AM Ignore werich44 Report Abuse Hopefully, folks will show their displeasure with their wallets.
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,324 Points:1,145,340 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:07:40 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse But Honda will handle it like a Pro and (hopefully) not do a Touchdown Dance. Like Walter Payton used to say, "Act like you do it everyday".
nozzle46 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:6,761 Points:1,486,845 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:07:19 AM Ignore nozzle46 Report Abuse Hyndai joins the liars club.
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,866 Points:1,689,490 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:53:06 AM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse Maybe, maybe not; we'll see.
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:7,350 Points:1,703,845 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:48:08 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse I never understand over stating MPG since the real world will quickly tell the truth.
CivicMA Champion Author Boston Posts:2,040 Points:563,470 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:46:05 AM Ignore CivicMA Report Abuse Competition is always good and drives companies to seek new, better technologies. Just as long as they do it honestly and don't twist and lie about the facts!
csblesson Champion Author Texas Posts:1,931 Points:379,700 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:43:41 AM Ignore csblesson Report Abuse It is good!
EvergreenON Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,078 Points:511,085 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:41:37 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse Good competition
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,695 Points:775,745 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:28:59 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse ok
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,477 Points:773,150 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:46:29 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse Ha! Too good to be true
Straitliner Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,645 Points:265,975 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:15:21 AM Ignore Straitliner Report Abuse Makes you want to go out and buy a frickin Hyundai,Honda,Kia or some other foreign nameplate car.
hokieburgh Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,226 Points:491,455 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 6:07:07 AM Ignore hokieburgh Report Abuse interesting read
MImusicman Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,013 Points:435,975 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:58:48 AM Ignore MImusicman Report Abuse Go Honda!
ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,944 Points:1,897,200 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:58:47 AM Ignore ss70 Report Abuse time for record fines for Hyundai . Honda and toyota are better than them
leeac Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,736 Points:461,605 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 5:08:11 AM Ignore leeac Report Abuse Hyundai committed fraud. Someone should go to jail and Hyundai should be punished.
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:10,252 Points:2,376,305 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:54:43 AM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse Hyundai got caught with a great big hand in a small mouthed cookie jar. Now it is cover you losses time.
SBlouch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:8,836 Points:1,885,285 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:45:38 AM Ignore SBlouch Report Abuse Honda should be very happy, but if one company is overstating its energy ratings, could Honda been overstating theirs too. Wonder if EPA will investigate Honda.
MN1 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,499 Points:678,890 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 4:43:56 AM Ignore MN1 Report Abuse "the most extensive overstatement of fuel-economy ratings" - sounds more like an outright lie to me.
SkooterG Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,369 Points:344,185 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 3:40:43 AM Ignore SkooterG Report Abuse Cheaters letting Honda, Ford and Toyota catch up.
grandamgt1 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,496 Points:1,268,105 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 3:12:36 AM Ignore grandamgt1 Report Abuse Not a bad sort of payback.
Jeeputtputt Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,002 Points:677,465 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:20:16 AM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse Same old crap, lies, lies, lies...
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:6,107 Points:1,304,475 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:08:35 AM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse What started as a lie could be good for the consumer.
unipanini All-Star Author New York Posts:903 Points:264,575 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 2:01:57 AM Ignore unipanini Report Abuse Whatever motivates you
JohnofGB Champion Author Flint Posts:5,566 Points:1,124,870 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:47:07 AM Ignore JohnofGB Report Abuse And the newcomer builder of riceburners lied. Oops.
joeschmo12 Champion Author New York Posts:1,108 Points:326,500 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:19:51 AM Ignore joeschmo12 Report Abuse i c
raja29 Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,134 Points:226,290 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:19:31 AM Ignore raja29 Report Abuse Gud
MrLefty0706 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,590 Points:379,760 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:16:01 AM Ignore MrLefty0706 Report Abuse Competition on who can increase the mpg is great. Add in gas price wars and the average American may actually see a noticeable benefit.
RRBC Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,840 Points:555,790 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:59:42 AM Ignore RRBC Report Abuse Good for US EPA to have uncovered that.
AKmailman Champion Author Alaska Posts:5,763 Points:1,585,565 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:53:04 AM Ignore AKmailman Report Abuse Since when do you buy a car based on the phonetic EPA sticker ? Whatever happened to kicking the tires and going for a test drive ?
1momsunshine Champion Author Ottawa Posts:5,620 Points:1,026,995 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:48:23 AM Ignore 1momsunshine Report Abuse Good
pricewar Champion Author Ogden Posts:2,080 Points:302,715 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:29:38 AM Ignore pricewar Report Abuse Big game indeed
graceman Champion Author Baltimore Posts:4,968 Points:1,158,725 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:24:55 AM Ignore graceman Report Abuse They should be fined a huge amount for false advertisement.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,921 Points:1,892,760 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:16:37 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse HONDA ALSO LIKES TO BEND THE TRUTH !!!! WHAT BRAND OF GAS YOU USE CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. MY STRAIGHT SIX RWD LIKES SINCLAIR PREMIUM (30 MPG).
obimerrill Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,585 Points:318,390 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:14:21 AM Ignore obimerrill Report Abuse Good
bills299 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,506 Points:932,190 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:08:39 AM Ignore bills299 Report Abuse Good for Americans!!
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,599 Points:621,360 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:59:03 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse good
gumbyrex Champion Author Fresno Posts:3,441 Points:786,990 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:50:21 PM Ignore gumbyrex Report Abuse All is fair in marketing, let the buyer beware.
danindenver Champion Author Denver Posts:5,596 Points:1,265,265 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:22:42 PM Ignore danindenver Report Abuse Another example of why the free market is successful. Competition sharpens the focus and inspires innovation.
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,864 Points:676,495 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:13:23 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse They needed a kick in the a.. to wake them up that they were falling behind
andy1024 Champion Author Allentown Posts:1,844 Points:475,950 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:02:02 PM Ignore andy1024 Report Abuse Lucky Honda.
davenles Champion Author Texas Posts:3,341 Points:746,585 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:49:43 PM Ignore davenles Report Abuse Making an example of them.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,089 Points:1,044,320 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:34:39 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse It only encourages others to better its competition.