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TXryder

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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:33:15 AM

Rick Kitchings has been a small-engine mechanic for about 30 years, and he’s been busier than ever lately.

Recently, a customer came into his shop in Savannah, Ga., with a string trimmer that had barely been used. “It looked like it just came off the showroom floor, but the motor was absolutely shot, absolutely worn out.”

The owner had fueled the trimmer with an gasoline-ethanol blend, which is becoming increasingly common thanks to a federal mandate to convert to bio-fuels.

Lawnmowers and boat motors everywhere are choking. They’re starving for gas, because the little needle holes in them are stopped up with the gel that happens when that stuff breaks down. It stops them up so it can’t run. a chain reaction of events that end up clogging valves and rusting out small metal parts.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 12:01:37 PM

crep, again seafoam, stabil, or whatever is expensive relative to ethanol. And neither of those will prevent the damage to the fuel lines etc. Add to that, draining the tank is unnecessarily risking a HAZMAT spill.
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:54:42 AM

The gas tank should be drained BEFORE not after the engine has been stored for a few months. In any case, to be safe, you should add fuel stabilizer to prevent the carburetors from gunking up. Sea Foam works great.
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DesertRat2011
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:47:55 AM

Ethanol & small engine is a repair bill waiting to happen
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:44:09 AM

Yes is the answer to your question NedW.

One has to understand his moniker, National Socialist Democratic Party or nsdp.
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dr047
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:30:01 AM


It doesn't matter what we want! More expenses for people that can least afford it.
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qwerty17
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:16:50 PM

go away ethanol.
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NedW
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:36:33 PM

Are you trying to defend the indefensible EVERYTHING about ethanol, nsdp?


[Edited by: NedW at 11/18/2012 10:38:06 PM EST]
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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 3:19:43 PM

Just get rid of all the ethanol crap with its significantly reduced fuel economy.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:46:24 PM

That's just a ridiculous statement nsdp, why force a product on consumers that you must add an expensive stabilizer to or pour out a volatile product risking and EPA violation if a drop is spilled. Sometimes you just make no sense at all.
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:08:34 PM

Ethanol the engine killer it should be taken off the market. People shouldn't have to take extra steps to protect their engine from fuel plan and simple
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:03:56 PM

The problem here is the users don't either use fuel stabilizer or empty the gas tank when they are through. We have a user problem not a gasoline problem.
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merlinCO
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 9:49:39 AM

Everyone blames ethanol, why don't the find out what the oil companies are blending...like water.
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oilfreak
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 9:12:53 AM

Time to ditch ethanol for good.
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 8:40:36 AM

Just stop ethanol production or let us the choice
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FocusST2
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:39:40 AM

Yep, this has been mentioned for years now. Like overstating the obvious.
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werich44
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:30:00 AM

This has been common knowledge for years.
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MAC48
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 4:32:08 AM

If you are opposed to the current law that mandates the use of ethanol in our motor vehicle fuel since ethanol is the only viable alternative fuel available in the needed quantity, then let your US representative & senators know of your opposition to any ethanol use.

Congress, not the EPA, is the only entity that can eliminate the mandate for the use of alternative motor vehicle fuels (Renewable Fuels Standard) to end the plague of Ethanol.
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gumbyrex
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:47:12 AM

When are we going to learn the evils of ethanol out weigh the so called benefits.
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bston
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:12:10 AM

Agree; we saw what the effects of corn gas did to our family members car!
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Melinda205
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:11:17 AM

Okay
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:06:33 AM

Here is the collar counties around Chicago we have had a 10% blend of Ethanol and gas for many years. I've used this gas in everything from V8 cars to lawn mowers, snow blowers and weed whackers. I've never had a problem caused by the gas we have to use. Although it can cause problems, I think that they are the exception rather than the rule.
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jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:39:26 AM

more expensive than true gas.
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jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:39:09 AM

It destroys boats.
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jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:38:55 AM

outlaw ethanol
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millerin
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:35:36 AM

hmm...
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el_fr
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:07:00 AM

Get rid of the stuff
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:24:47 PM

A lot of people have no choice but to use ethanol.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:23:01 PM

old news, and will only get worse with e-15.
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:02:18 PM

Stay away from ethanol period when it comes to small engines.
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car253
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:46:17 PM

No surprise here.
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esq262
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:39:08 PM

It hurt my lawn mower engine.
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 9:43:12 PM

Well, duh! After losing a lawn tractor and a snowblower to ethanol damage, I switched to electric for both. I also found out that both were lots cheaper to buy and LOTS cheaper to run. Ethanol damage did me a favour--even though it took me some time to realize it.
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must87searcher
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 9:23:13 PM

Ethanol can lead to high costs. The same is true for gas powered generators. If a generator stays off for more than a month, the ethanol will fall to the bottom of the tank and block the pipe. If it is really needed, it may not work. To solve that, the one thing said is to have the engine run for a couple of minutes a month. That is a waste of money.

Ethanol is can cause some costly trouble. It is best if it were not even put to use.
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md11capt
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:57:46 PM

I've used Sea Foam to clean out the engines. It seems to work.
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daequitz
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:18:05 PM

Not good.
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:07:06 PM

If you have the owners manual for the particular piece of power equipment in question, consult it to find how whether it is acceptable to use an ethanol blend. Many pieces of power equipment allow the users to use a blend that is no higher than 10% ethanol.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:03:53 PM

Amazing small-engine manufactures are so stupid they can't design motors to run on alternative fuels. I guess all the US educated engineers are working in communist China.
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Ahking
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 7:53:16 PM

Ask the ethanol promoters for answers.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 6:06:22 PM

imagine that
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 5:48:51 PM

The radical head of the EPA will force even more ethanol on us. The corn lobby has to get their donations to the DNC back.
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 5:17:05 PM

It sound like the inform about ethanol is not good at all, pull it out now.
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DABEE1073
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 4:21:13 PM

Since the EPA demands that we use Ethanol, they should be held liable for any pay for any damage to engines.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 4:10:56 PM

Yes ethanol is no good.
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LilRedWagonIN
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 3:25:51 PM

msnbc catching on how many years later?
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jl1rp
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 3:25:31 PM

Kill this stuff now.
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Skunk63
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 2:35:14 PM

Ethanol is crap.
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bady777
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 2:25:49 PM

Yes it does!
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skinsfan125
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:53:34 PM

ethenol is a mechanic's dream come true.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:49:20 PM

hey moron, thats the only choice most people have.
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Eugenian
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:24:17 PM

So don't put it in small engines. That's not what it's for.
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