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aservant Champion Author California Posts:14,220 Points:1,387,940 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:30:53 AM Ignore aservant Report Abuse Washington — The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday rejected a request from eight governors and nearly 200 members of Congress to waive requirements for the use of corn-based ethanol in gasoline, after last summer's severe drought wilted much of the nation's corn crop. The move is a victory for corn farmers who have seen corn prices jump 400 percent in recent years. But it is a loss for pork and beef producers who say the diversion of corn to ethanol raises feed prices and ultimately prices at the supermarket. Automakers have clashed with ethanol advocates and opposed boosting the percentage of ethanol. They argue that higher concentrations of ethanol in gasoline — which may be necessary in order to meet stepped-up minimums for annual ethanol usage — can harm engines in most vehic Visit Detroit News for full article

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Washington — The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday rejected a request from eight governors and nearly 200 members of Congress to waive requirements for the use of corn-based ethanol in gasoline, after last summer's severe drought wilted much of the nation's corn crop.
The move is a victory for corn farmers who have seen corn prices jump 400 percent in recent years. But it is a loss for pork and beef producers who say the diversion of corn to ethanol raises feed prices and ultimately prices at the supermarket.
Automakers have clashed with ethanol advocates and opposed boosting the percentage of ethanol. They argue that higher concentrations of ethanol in gasoline — which may be necessary in order to meet stepped-up minimums for annual ethanol usage — can harm engines in most vehic
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jtravis711 Sophomore Author Orange County Posts:174 Points:199,065 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 1:15:41 PM Ignore jtravis711 Report Abuse The federal government again telling the states they are wrong! That is wrong!!..... we the people of the United States....next we'll have the epa telling us not cut down trees for homes for our families and that we should use corn husks to wipe our asses.
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:952 Points:486,370 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:45:37 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse Grain is food not gas
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,964 Points:755,135 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 2:07:30 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Another load of bull feces from nsdp. The fact remains, feed costs due to ethanol have risen over 100% over the last couple of years. Ethanol fans can throw out the most impertinent arguments. It is amazing that for an assumed "savings of 6.7 pennies per gallon of gasoline" can come anywhere close to covering the massive increases we have seen in the cost of foods, damage to engines etc could ever be covered by that.
nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,340 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:12:18 PM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse Tomok I see you have been frequenting the Mad Hatter's Tea Party again. Wha tis he spiking the tea with this time? Ethanol returns to animal feed(distillers grain) 91% of the protein and nutrients that the unprocessed corn had. Processing corn for animal feed loses about 4% of nutritional value to make it as digestible by animals as distillers grains. Net difference is 5%. Now since ethanol uses 40% of the grain supply, we lose 5% of 40% or 2% of feed. That has very little effect on real cash prices although it gives the speculators something to speculate about.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,088 Points:2,348,435 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 3:30:50 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse EPA rejects bid to relax ethanol mandate, a severe drought, less corn produced, higher livestock prices, a fuel that harms gasoline engines and a person in charge that refuses to do the right thing for 'four more years.' Nothing will be done for the population and the country until Sneeky is finally gone and the people that voted for him realize what they have done wrong. Automakers says that E15 is approved for 2013 model vehicles and newer, Not 2012 or older. Why have Ethanol when Big Oil and Big Gas continues to sell fuel and natural gas on the world market for higher prices, there will be NO price reduction for the cost of fuel or natural gas IN the US. 'Coming out of the closet' Sneeky's lousy, smoke and mirrors, lack of jobs, dog and pony show and in the crapper economy, the jobs are Not here. Sneeky's economy is not improving but continues to hurt the population and the job numbers continue to be down! The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Now we find out the 'planned maintenance' at some refineries was fake and they continued to produce fuel during that time. Just so Big Oil could raise the fuel price at the pump more and more and more for their profits. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,551 Points:768,795 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 2:44:25 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse We are opposed to the mandate in current law (Renewable Fuels Standard) that forces US refiners to blend ethanol from anywhere into our domestic gasoline supplies. If you are also opposed to the current law that mandates the use of ethanol in our motor vehicle fuel since ethanol is the only viable alternative fuel available in the needed quantity, then let your US representative & senators know of your opposition to any ethanol use as well since only congress can stop this foolish ethanol use. There will be alternative motor vehicle fuels developed over time that will allow the US to reduce its dependency on non-North American crude oil but ethanol is hardly the answer. If there is no efficient cost effective alternative motor vehicle fuel currently available, one will emerge in the future that does not harm our vehicles, small gasoline tools, marine engines & is compatible with the current pipeline & retail station infrastructure. If congress has to reduce, postpone or eliminate its mandate for the use of alternative motor vehicle fuels (Renewable Fuels Standard) to end the plague of Ethanol, then congress needs to do that until an alternative motor vehicle fuels is developed that is compatible with our vehicles, small tools, & marine engines as well as the current pipeline & retail station infrastructure.
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,728 Points:734,765 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:56:21 AM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse It doesn't benefit consumers, or the hungry
sljbc475 Champion Author Tucson Posts:4,235 Points:875,300 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:37:55 AM Ignore sljbc475 Report Abuse Do away with ethanol production.
METEOR49 Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,187 Points:458,150 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:34:36 AM Ignore METEOR49 Report Abuse corn is for food .
KrsnaDragon Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,422 Points:534,325 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:29:29 AM Ignore KrsnaDragon Report Abuse I believe ethanol is far too susceptible to phase separation to be used practically as a transportation fuel.
Beau2140 Champion Author New York Posts:8,311 Points:1,660,085 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:23:22 AM Ignore Beau2140 Report Abuse Time to eliminate ethanol.
BAJALRRP Veteran Author Tacoma Posts:456 Points:1,267,110 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:21:33 AM Ignore BAJALRRP Report Abuse States Rights...
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,836 Points:1,432,700 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:21:27 AM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse Relax? It should be killed!
1fulltank Champion Author Buffalo Posts:7,918 Points:1,547,235 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:20:02 AM Ignore 1fulltank Report Abuse Time to "relax" the EPA.
Bill100 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:41,514 Points:1,165,020 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:19:58 AM Ignore Bill100 Report Abuse Mandate the EPA to dissolve itself.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,733 Points:390,900 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:19:48 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse Corn is for eating not Machines.
Tigercat88 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,212 Points:619,790 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:17:36 AM Ignore Tigercat88 Report Abuse Get rid of the EPA.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,630 Points:1,145,170 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:17:28 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse EPA thinks carbon dioxide is a pollutant, too.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:17:08 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Ethanol for fuel should be halted. Lets make food for the people. There are many people in this country who are literally starving, and they use corn to make fuel. Feed the people and animals. Don't use corn to drive up prices for many other items then hide them to show little inflation.
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,000 Points:2,529,260 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:17:02 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse BS
Rooster922 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:3,803 Points:658,995 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:16:54 AM Ignore Rooster922 Report Abuse It's in my system already.
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,319 Points:1,645,830 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:16:37 AM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse I'm all for environmental protection but, I'm totally against this!
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,507 Points:1,513,005 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:16:21 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse USA should reject EPA.
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,374 Points:2,261,680 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:15:48 AM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse They should just kill it
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,782 Points:724,975 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:14:00 AM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse They know better! Or do they?
pastorpaulcg Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,615 Points:775,785 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:13:33 AM Ignore pastorpaulcg Report Abuse Corn for food
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,759 Points:1,911,285 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:09:53 AM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse the epa should be SHUT DOWN, DEFUNDED, REMOVED and any other word you can use to get this elephant of an illegal agency off our lower back (if you know what I mean)!
Math6149 All-Star Author Jacksonville Posts:873 Points:1,799,000 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:08:32 AM Ignore Math6149 Report Abuse God.
arb0526 Champion Author Greensboro Posts:1,991 Points:413,545 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:08:31 AM Ignore arb0526 Report Abuse ok
speedraider Champion Author Orlando Posts:3,688 Points:1,647,820 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:08:10 AM Ignore speedraider Report Abuse bs
malfrog1 Champion Author South Bend Posts:2,216 Points:552,160 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:08:02 AM Ignore malfrog1 Report Abuse use corn for food
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:558,480 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:07:30 AM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse That sucks
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,815 Points:1,588,100 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:06:37 AM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse It will raise the cost of food.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,585 Points:2,448,060 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:06:23 AM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse I will just throw used corn cobs in the gas tank and wait for them to ferment.
StrangeLuv Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,699 Points:903,850 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:06:00 AM Ignore StrangeLuv Report Abuse Not good.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,669 Points:2,362,895 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:05:11 AM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse Pasture is the best way to feed, not grain. I understood that after the grain was processed for ethanol it could still be used for feed? They should be able to tune new vehicles to run on ethanol, in fact Ford developed the first vehicles to run on ethanol until Standard Oil convinced him to switch. If we make more flex fuel then the blend should not matter. [Edited by: Buddy2264 at 11/18/2012 12:06:39 AM EST]
cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,032 Points:799,215 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:04:31 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse Doesn't seem smart.
iamforiu Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,590 Points:714,665 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:03:38 AM Ignore iamforiu Report Abuse ok
TheeRedRam Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,178 Points:675,560 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:03:29 AM Ignore TheeRedRam Report Abuse Oh boy what the heck
MrLefty0706 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,454 Points:353,785 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:02:17 AM Ignore MrLefty0706 Report Abuse Did anyone really think the EPA would relax the mandate?
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,483 Points:665,875 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 12:01:49 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Get rid of the EPA.
EMoe57 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:4,632 Points:1,018,965 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:57:57 PM Ignore EMoe57 Report Abuse good
BEngr Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,727 Points:1,583,540 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:55:16 PM Ignore BEngr Report Abuse Well that request went no where.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,836 Points:1,432,700 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:54:50 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse stop the madness
joeschmo12 Champion Author New York Posts:1,032 Points:308,395 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:54:25 PM Ignore joeschmo12 Report Abuse yea
darkknight1 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:4,350 Points:898,760 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:52:41 PM Ignore darkknight1 Report Abuse not surprised
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,080 Points:1,734,140 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:51:52 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse idiots in charge
BigKart All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:776 Points:227,850 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:51:23 PM Ignore BigKart Report Abuse Amazing. It's like we had an election and nothing changed! Go figure.
gasmack Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,720 Points:670,350 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:50:57 PM Ignore gasmack Report Abuse I hope the wiser heads prevailed in this decision.
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,422 Points:2,911,685 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:48:29 PM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse Make Moonshine and eat corn, don't burn it