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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2014 11:16:23 PM

what do you guys think of the stuff good bad or no harm no foul.
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2014 8:11:51 AM

I have chosen clean Diesel
SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 12:24:39 PM

Sad that a champion author can't provide a link. The article doesn't cite the "study" of this claim and the author, who is based in Dallas is a freelance reporter who writes mainly pro-petroleum articles.
borsht
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 10:25:19 AM

Brazil seems to have discovered that the jump to ethanol increased their air pollution. Whith the high price of ethanol, people switching back to gasoline created cleaner air.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/07/02/study-links-ethanol-higher-air-pollution

Maybe they can clean their air even more by shipping ethanol to the U.S. to help us meet our mandated levels of ethanol usage.

[Edited by: borsht at 7/3/2014 10:25:50 AM EST]
barryo62
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Message Posted: May 24, 2014 8:53:56 PM

In Iowa corn so cheap and plentiful some people burn it to heat their homes in the winter.
High priced oil is immoral.
Cheaper to burn corn than propane or fuel oil.
Cowboy118
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 3:09:14 PM

As a what? A fuel, drink, or other?
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 10:52:49 AM

"Its just wrong to grow fuel from food.... "

....because?
ggg452
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 10:40:04 AM

Its just wrong to grow fuel from food....
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 10:39:24 AM

nd your article clearly states, borsht: "USDA isn’t showing a decrease in hay acres to this point, but time will tell; producers may have to buy hay acres in the short term."

The reason is farmers are exiting the conservation reserve program (CRP) and placing that land into corn and hay production. That's the program where the federal government pays farmers not to grow crops. Millions of acres have left the program over the past several years.

I own farmland. 20% of my land is in that program. When the contracts expire in 2017, the land gets planted in alfalfa. The alfalfa is as good as or even a better sponge for runoff nutrients than the switchgrass, weeds, and brush currently onn the land.
borsht
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 10:15:31 AM

Is it also good that so much grazing land is being converted to growing corn?
http://beefmagazine.com/cowcalfweekly/0415-beef-cattle-production-hurt-by-grain-acres
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 9:45:55 AM

Thanks, Barry. What animal producers are also discovering is the total amount of corn fed to animals can be reduced by using distillers grains. By using a portion of the animal's diet as distillers grains protein, the portion of the diet that is corn can be ground finer without producing GI ulcers. It actually extends the corn portion of the diet by 10% or more.

As far as the animal portion of the food chain, ethanol production adds a downward price component in the mix. So, is it still " immoral... " to grow more corn to be turned into animal feed that decreases the cost of feeding animals?
barryo62
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 9:14:10 AM

Good job SoylentGrain turning corn into fuel is not taking away from human food. Pork on the grill is very good.
Cattle eat dried distillers grain, they eat it like it is candy grow and gain very well.
Beef very good on the grill too.
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 8:15:23 AM

"Please share all your good corn recipes with us all, number #2 yellow corn must be yummy! "

Here's one of my favorites:

Take a semi-load of corn the nearest ethanol plant.
Sell the corn to the ethanol producer.
While at the ethanol producer,buy a ton or so of distillers grains.
Feed the distillers grains to a young pig.
Butcher the mature hog in a few months.
Place the pork loin from the hog on the grill.
Eat the meat.

Takes a few months to prepare. But, it's worth the wait.
barryo62
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Message Posted: May 21, 2014 9:50:49 AM

Soylentgrain and ggg452 and to people that call corn food.
Please share all your good corn recipes with us all, number #2 yellow corn must be yummy!
FieroGT
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Message Posted: May 21, 2014 6:43:14 AM

I think ethanol is a lousy alternative to gasoline,
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 18, 2014 1:50:34 PM

"Using food for fuel is immoral... "

What's your reasoning?
ggg452
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Message Posted: May 18, 2014 10:36:39 AM

Using food for fuel is immoral...
FieroGT
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Message Posted: May 18, 2014 6:45:50 AM

E10 is as far as I want to go with ethanol.
barryo62
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Message Posted: May 11, 2014 3:46:11 PM

JohnofGB and streetdesign share your corn recipes!
thuathienhue
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Message Posted: May 11, 2014 3:09:19 PM

Our GM Yukons are made for it.
SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: May 11, 2014 8:36:58 AM

"Ethanol consumes far too many resources to be viable, competitive, or sustainable. If this was not true then ethanol production would not consume 60% to 80% of its energy content from natural gas and diesel. "

120% of gasoline's energy content is required for production. What is your point?
GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: May 8, 2014 4:55:15 PM

Ethanol consumes far too many resources to be viable, competitive, or sustainable. If this was not true then ethanol production would not consume 60% to 80% of its energy content from natural gas and diesel. Ethanol could be produced via renewable means, but those means cost too much.

The primary problem consumers have with E10 is that its shelf life is not nearly that of E0. Water can be easily drained out of E0, but not E10.

Lawnmowers and other small engines do not have the massive emissions ventilation controls of automobiles, so their fuel tanks are more exposed to moisture, resulting in a shorter shelf life for the fuel.

Ethanol leans the combustion mixture which is bad for simple small engines without the active mixture control of fuel injection.
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 8, 2014 8:26:06 AM

muquee wrote: "Bad for our engines, people will see when it's too late."

I have been using E10, and more, for 20+ years without a single Ethanol related issue. How much longer do I have to wait?
muquee
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Message Posted: May 8, 2014 7:24:08 AM

Bad for our engines, people will see when it's too late.
Awing1
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Message Posted: May 7, 2014 7:56:23 AM

No ethanol product in my area.
CactusBobs
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 7:26:24 PM

Its good if you can get it at a price that makes up for the lower fuel mileage.

the problem is the RFS that makes us use the ethanol and makes E0 hard to get in most places Dump the RFS and leave Ethanol for the people and places where is works.
Let us make up our own mind if we want it in our gasoline or not.
WGW1
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 1:26:46 PM

bad for motors especially small lawn mowers chain saws etc. beware!!
streetdesign
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 12:49:14 PM

Get rid of it. It is a waste of energy, food sources and causes engine damage.
FieroGT
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 6:52:51 AM

Ethanol is a lousy alternative fuel. Let's junk it.
JohnofGB
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 6:59:33 AM

Burn gasoline, not food
the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 9:19:37 AM

not for me
furball64801
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2014 4:27:15 PM

Has worked great for me since 2006 the 2005 Pt Cruiser going strong.
CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 11:51:58 PM

thank you
borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 9:10:01 PM

If your blood ethanol content is above .08%, while driving you're DUI in most states! Union Pacific Railroad has their own BAC limit of 0.02%.
Therefore, I vote for bad!

[Edited by: borsht at 3/28/2014 9:10:35 PM EST]
Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 7:54:57 PM

"what do you guys think of the stuff good bad or no harm no foul"

Not sure why another thread is needed to ask that question. Why not read the previous threads already started and responded to? Seems like there already are several hundred or more answers to your question.
SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 4:23:25 PM

I've never had a performance or maintenance problem due to ethanol and I've used high blends in two non-FFVs. I haven't seen a significant change in mileage at any blend, so it saves me money.
barryo62
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 11:24:10 AM

All my vehicles run good using ethanol.
I raise beef cattle part of the feed ration is dried distillers grain a by product of ethanol production.
The cattle eat the dried distillers grain like it is candy and grow and grain weight faster than eating regular corn.
Ethanol is not taking away food from humans.
Never had a problem with any cars using ethanol just normal maintenance.
Some people ignore maintenance and minor problems and just keep driving until they have big problems.
Floridaman2013
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 9:58:57 AM

Good octane and keeps my fuel tank clean.
rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 8:21:42 AM

Keeps my engine clean.
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