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emrgcy

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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 5:23:24 AM

I have heard that hemp may be a viable alternative to oil/gas for powering vehicles and other fuel burning machines. Has anyone got any pros/cons for this type of fuel? Is it realistic? Your ideas or thoughts.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2014 5:54:03 PM

According to Webster, here is the definition of resource: "something that a country has and can use to increase its wealth".

At this point in time, hemp might be termed "a potential resource", but probably not "a resource".

Thus it will have to prove itself on paper because it will need to displace an already productive resource.

I am seeing emotion from several writers, but no logical 2014 facts. Time to support your desires with dollars and cents facts please.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2014 9:13:45 AM

goldseeker, people think I am nuts because I believe that the anti ethanol sentiment is a result of intentional misinformation. Hemp/Cannabis is another one where people have no clue about how much of what they believe is wrong. But alas that is another subject for another forum :)

But for biofuel, hemp is a resource we are not taking advantage of, that's for sure.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/27/2014 9:15:41 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2014 3:30:34 AM

Hemp is even better for curing many diseases that man is afflicted with.
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2014 2:01:55 PM

Where are you going to grow all this hemp? Not viable. Not a chance.
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Jackson126
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2014 5:48:37 AM

Yes
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JueceFlavour
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Message Posted: May 28, 2014 2:44:01 PM

Yes. It is viable. But some diptards do not know history and think it's not. Levi Strauss, Henry Ford, and Rudolf Diesel, among others in history used hemp as fuel and products in their companies production. Read what Kruilty posted. Hell, do your own research.
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mrsjoe1
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Message Posted: May 16, 2014 10:18:06 PM

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PummpinEthyl
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Message Posted: May 15, 2014 8:24:54 PM

if the vehicle arrives stoned how many bags of potatoe chips will it consume.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: May 7, 2014 8:25:52 AM

No.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 7, 2014 8:23:49 AM

Awing1 wrote: "It will harm your system at the end."

How exactly will it "harm your system"? What is your personal experience?
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Awing1
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Message Posted: May 7, 2014 7:58:31 AM

Bad alternative. It will harm your system at the end.
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 2:40:00 AM

The pot calling what?
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MPSAN1
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:19:33 AM

I DOUBT IT
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cutter1330
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:50:44 AM

What about 'that smell'?
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JueceFlavour
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 2:02:59 PM

Yes, it workable. Hemp, is better than oil in all aspects of life. It also has more uses than oil. Almost everything you own is made via oil. Hemp can do the same thing and better. Fords first car was made from hemp and was much stronger than steel and any compound used today. I'm sure if we were to utilize hemp and do some research and design for it, it can be much more useful than any oil based product.
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poetdog73
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 1:25:16 PM

that's good...& the exhaust might be good too!
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 2:10:22 PM

So if the Anti-ethanol(TM) crowd claims that ethanol from corn is bad because it diverts land from food production, how can it think diverting land from food production to grow hemp is acceptable? Just askin'.
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 1:18:02 PM

Yes it is ... and a good one!
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:39:21 PM

Guys, didn't the whole "reefer madness" movement also come from petroleum? Didn't they make it up (like they have so many other things) because hemp oil was a clean alternative to kerosene for heating and lighting? Really had nothing to do with smoking it, they (petroleum) just decided to hide behind it?

Yet another thing that provides many medicinal, lifestyle, and societal advancements robbed from you by the petroleum industry.

Hemp is a great feedstock for ethanol.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 3/10/2014 1:42:40 PM EST]
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namzza6310
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 9:01:31 AM

Way to go Kruilty. You are absolutely correct. We went from vehicles that ran fine on ethanol but Oil companies couldn't monopolize energy and forced the government to enact Prohibition. People had been drinking alcohol for thousands of years. Prohibition was a rouse to stop manufacturing ethanol for autos.
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 3:48:48 PM

The original Levi Strauss jeans were made from hemp.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 9:43:03 AM

I concur. From what I know of it, hemp can provide many useful things, require very little fertilization, and treat the land much better. I think it can yield even more ethanol than corn can, but I am not sure. Bring it on, I say!

But there are many vested interests in keeping good things like hemp out of the way. It has sooo many benefits that it is a tragedy it isnt being uilized.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 3/4/2014 9:44:55 AM EST]
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 6:20:41 AM

Why Henry's plans were delayed for more than a half century:

Ethanol has been known as a fuel for many decades. Indeed, when Henry Ford designed the Model T, it was his expectation that ethanol, made from renewable biological materials, would be a major automobile fuel. However, gasoline emerged as the dominant transportation fuel in the early twentieth century because of the ease of operation of gasoline engines with the materials then available for engine construction, a growing supply of cheaper petroleum from oil field discoveries, and intense lobbying by petroleum companies for the federal government to maintain steep alcohol taxes. Many bills proposing a National energy program that made use of Americas vast agricultural resources (for fuel production) were killed by smear campaigns launched by vested petroleum interests. One noteworthy claim put forth by petrol companies was that the U.S. government's plans "robbed taxpayers to make farmers rich".

Gasoline had many disadvantages as an automotive resource. The "new" fuel had a lower octane rating than ethanol, was much more toxic (particularly when blended with tetra-ethyl lead and other compounds to enhance octane), generally more dangerous, and contained threatening air pollutants. Petroleum was more likely to explode and burn accidentally, gum would form on storage surfaces and carbon deposits would form in combustion chambers of engines. Pipelines were needed for distribution from "area found" to "area needed". Petroleum was much more physically and chemically diverse than ethanol, necessitating complex refining procedures to ensure the manufacture of a consistent "gasoline" product.

However, despite these environmental flaws, fuels made from petroleum have dominated automobile transportation for the past three-quarters of a century. There are two key reasons: First, cost per kilometer of travel has been virtually the sole selection criteria. Second, the large investments made by the oil and auto industries in physical capital, human skills and technology make the entry of a new cost-competitive industry difficult.

Until very recently, environmental concerns have been largely ignored. All of that is finally changing as consumers demand fuels such as ethanol, which are much better for the environment and human health.3
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 6:14:51 AM

Fuel of the Future

When Henry Ford told a New York Times reporter that ethyl alcohol was "the fuel of the future" in 1925, he was expressing an opinion that was widely shared in the automotive industry. "The fuel of the future is going to come from fruit like that sumach out by the road, or from apples, weeds, sawdust -- almost anything," he said. "There is fuel in every bit of vegetable matter that can be fermented. There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for a hundred years."

Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.

[Edited by: Kruilty at 3/4/2014 6:18:22 AM EST]
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 6:12:58 AM

Growing hemp for fuel would be a tremendous boon for American farmers and the agricultural industry, as opposed to people like, say, the Bush family ( Or any other politician with Oil ties).

And that,s why hemp might not go anywhere as a fuel alternative. Oil interests are big and donate likewise to politicians, and selling a man on an idea that will cost him more than he,ll benefit requires an amazingly skilled orator -- or a gun. Unfortunately, unless you,re the federal government, gunpoint conversions are usually illegal. Ergo, PR is about the best bet right now.

There are many people working hard on this front, including the Hemp Car and its intrepid crew. Currently ginning up for a trans-America evangelism tour, the Hemp Car plans to spread the good word of hemp-fuel viability at stops in both the U.S. and Canada.

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[Edited by: Kruilty at 3/4/2014 6:14:40 AM EST]
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 6:09:13 AM

Ford And Diesel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the diesel engine, designed it to run on vegetable and seed oils like hemp; he actually ran the thing on peanut oil for the 1900 World's Fair. Henry Ford used hemp to not only construct cars but also fuel them. As for an alternative to petroleum...

Hemp grows like mad from border to border in America; so shortages are unlikely. And, unlike petrol, unless we run out of soil, hemp is renewable.

Growing and harvesting the stuff has much less environmental impact than procuring oil.

Hemp fuel is biodegradable; so oil spills become fertilizer not eco-catastrophes.

Hemp fuel does not contribute to sulfur dioxide air poisoning.

Other noxious emissions like carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons are radically slashed by using "biodiesel.

Hemp fuel is nontoxic and only a mild skin irritant; anybody who,s ever cleaned out an old carburetor with gasoline can confirm the same is not true for petrol.
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