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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 9:51:55 AM

Hey everyone, we that know the truth have been saying this all along, while some of you have been pushing the "damage lie".

Watch this video please. Thank you for your time.

Once again, even more proof that ethanol is less harmful to plastic than gasoline and gasoline additives.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/22/2014 9:53:51 AM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 10:37:26 AM

ggg452 wrote: "corn is for food not fuel...."

Wrong again. Corn is for food and fuel.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 11:00:21 AM

corn is for food not fuel....
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 9:32:27 AM

"Unless you used a good fuel stabilizer, or shut off the fuel supply to the carb, you have a fuel fairy watching over your equipment."

LOL! Fuel snakeoil? I never have and never will use it.

I have over 30 years experience with ethanol blended fuels and never had a problem and never will.

Some people actually believe the tall tales about ethanol, and others continue the Joseph Goebell practice.

Then there are others that know the real truth.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 1:14:56 PM

"Most of my small engines are 10 years old or older with my push mower at 23. Each set from 6-8 months a year with ethanol blended fuel in them and each start when I need them."

Unless you used a good fuel stabilizer, or shut off the fuel supply to the carb, you have a fuel fairy watching over your equipment.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 12:10:59 AM

"Most small engines, unless they're really old, will not be harmed by ethanol, so long as it doesn't sit long enough exposed to air to attact more water than it can absorb or hold, at which point the water will corrode the susceptible parts."

Just how long must they sit? Most of my small engines are 10 years old or older with my push mower at 23. Each set from 6-8 months a year with ethanol blended fuel in them and each start when I need them.
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JueceFlavour
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 12:02:19 AM

hydrous ethanol -- The end. Or we could do what Ford and Diesel had in mind in the first place. USE HEMP and other seed oil. Those two men did NOT intend for cars to be run by gas. Ford built his first car from hemp and it ran on hemp. Diesel's first engine was designed to run on seed oils ( hemp, corn, etc)

[Edited by: JueceFlavour at 3/8/2014 12:04:46 AM EST]
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JueceFlavour
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 5:42:56 PM

@borsht. You didn't come with any facts. You just came with someone else's opinion, which you mistake for a fact. Then your liberal mind got confused and too worried with his word usage.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 1:26:52 PM

It still remains that automotive fuel systems do not use plastic parts susceptible to damage by ethanol or gasoline.

Of course a youtube video by someone who won't identify themselves is much more reliable than Snopes or Wikipedia.

Gasoline and ethanol are both corrosive, as is water. They act differently on different materials. Fuels systems with components made to handle both will not be damaged by either one. Fuel systems with steel or other metals that react with water can be damaged by the water that ethanol absorbs beyond it's saturation point. Most small engines, unless they're really old, will not be harmed by ethanol, so long as it doesn't sit long enough exposed to air to attact more water than it can absorb or hold, at which point the water will corrode the susceptible parts.

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borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 11:24:09 AM

Hello Kruilty ; You stated
“Snopes is run by and paid for by Govt and some political supporters ( eg. Soros).”
Can you back up your statement with facts?
Here is what NYT wrote-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/technology/05snopes.html?_r=0

Then you said,
“Wikipedia on the other hand is useless since most credible colleges does NOT allow students to use it as a source.”

Most credible colleges expect their students to understand the proper usage of do and does also.


[Edited by: borsht at 3/7/2014 11:25:16 AM EST]
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Kruilty
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 12:55:48 AM

Gotta love the people that use wikipedia and snopes and their kind to try to make a case. Both of which are useless. Snopes is run by and paid for by Govt and some political supporters ( eg. Soros). Wikipedia on the other hand is useless since most credible colleges does NOT allow students to use it as a source.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 6:10:53 PM

I post a scientific proof, borsht puts up a snopes link, whom do nothing but restate petroleum propaganda. Their source is whatever they find on the internet, most of which is inaccurate as I have just proven here. The AP article was proven bought and paid for big oil several months ago!

Agreed borsht, you should be able to choose, on that we can agree. I'd love to see ethanol free option at every station provided E-85 is as well.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 5:29:23 PM

Snopes comments on the truth about ethanol..
This is why we should be able to chose the appropriate blend for our needs.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 8:13:14 AM

OK borsht, here is your proof, more in depth about small engines specifically. Gotta watch the whole 6 minute, it will blow away the myths that you believe in.

Gas is what damages small engines, not ethanol. Here's proof.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 8:09:45 AM

Yeah LOL, I get a kick out of people that believe this bologna!

10% has been going into cars for years and they are running longer, but 15% is gonna create the fear mongered scenario rumbleseat eludes to.

Even though thousands of people run much higher blends in vehicles than 15%, that are supposed to be capped at 10%, and these vehicles show better wear characteristics than those driven on gas! This morning I put 6 gallons of E-85 and 8 gallons of unleaded (E-10) into my 2009 Sonata, un-modified, non FFV. Like I do every other wee since the day I drove it off the lot. Vehicle has never had a problem now ay 95,500 miles. And it never will have a problem traced to my usage of around 40% ethanol for 5 years now.

Keep lying you have lost all credibility.

Say what you want about alcohol, but it is far less damaging than petroleum to a car. Stop the lies now!

borsht, you seem reasonable. Please stop promoting lies and deceit. Open your eyes to reality and if you wish to bash ethanol, make an argument outside the damage lie.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 3/1/2014 8:14:54 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2014 4:27:54 AM

"You refuse to identify the plastics shown in the video, and you have refused to declare that these plastics in the video are used in small engines."

All rubbish!

And in the final conclusion. "Finally, no automotive or small engine fuel system applications of ABS could be located, quite possibly due to its incompatibility with fuel"

Nobody ever said that all polymers are compatible with ethanol or gasoline. That is why they have polymer chemists that design polymers that are compatible with todays modern fuels.

Every compatibility chart around shows that ethanol is compatible with most polymers, but not all. However, it is a lot better than gasoline.

[Edited by: goldseeker at 3/1/2014 4:28:33 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 8:06:02 PM

If ethanol has damaged your small engine, you either have a REALLY old worn-out engine, or a crap made-in-China engine, or crap replacement parts.
Here, every regular pump in the province is E10, has been for several years. The shops aren't full of bunged-up machines, everybody from homeowners who mow once a week to lawn and garden companies using mowers, chain saws, etc every day, have had no problems.
Yet the predictions from the anti-ethanol crowd were shops full of cars that made it there, highways littered with dead vehicles, small engine shops so full they couldn't open the doors, garbage pickups full of small engine tools that people tossed, but life hasn't changed.

Liquor companies figured it out long ago, but I suppose you could argue tthey are light years ahead of automobile and lawn and garden manufacturers in plastics research? Yeah, right, that must be it.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 2/28/2014 8:09:00 PM EST]
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borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 12:21:17 PM

Hannie -And 'proof' and 'truth' that ethanol doesn't cause more harm to small engines than gasoline is established by the nonsense video link you posted!!!
You refuse to identify the plastics shown in the video, and you have refused to declare that these plastics in the video are used in small engines.


[Edited by: borsht at 2/28/2014 12:21:57 PM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 10:12:17 AM

borsht, you pushers of "ethanol is damaging to vehicles" have been proven wrong like 1000 times now. And as far as small engines, it's leaving the fuel, gas OR ethanol, sitting in a tank too long, which does not happen with vehicles, the mere motion of the vehicle prevents it entirely.

And you still think promoting fear and lies will keep your oil monopoly.

It's time for you guys to concede on your "damage lie". You are wrong period.

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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 3:56:33 AM

"Studies conducted at Minnisota State show otherwise."

Now just what does this study show?

Not much, which is typical when you get a statement from the beet dr.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 3:40:38 AM

Studies conducted at Minnisota State show otherwise.
http://www.mda.state.mn.us/news/publications/renewable/ethanol/e20onplastics.pdf
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borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 3:26:56 AM

So what plastic is used, and is it used in automobiles, or is this just more of the Al Gore type proof?
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namzza6310
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 8:39:12 AM

Wish we would be an ethanol based economy.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 5:09:47 AM

I have know this for years. Ethanol may not be perfect, but it is a lot better than gasoline.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 5:27:43 PM

I wonder what Big Oil Shills have to say about this video.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 10:35:49 AM

Of course it is caustic...its gas and you use it to remove paint, burn things and as fuel in your car...
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