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mohrorless

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 6:23:18 AM

Question! when you add Ethanol Removing products to your gas tank, what happens to the ethanol? I know the enzymes eat it, but they have to produce a waste product. What are they producing?
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soupmanSC
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Message Posted: May 13, 2014 5:57:16 AM

glad I checked this site out... looks like wasted money to me
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 13, 2014 3:43:44 AM

If you read on the label what this stuff is suppose to do, you will discover that ethanol already does the same thing.

If you want to use the stuff, by all means do so, but it is doing absolutely nothing. It has also shown that you have fallen prey to the great propaganda war.
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miniskunk
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Message Posted: May 12, 2014 11:15:33 PM

goldseeker: Where is your evidence to back that up? Has there been some kind of study that says it's bunk?
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 10, 2014 4:07:09 AM

Ethanol Defence and Stabil does not work. If you want to throw your money away that is your choice.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: May 9, 2014 5:12:58 PM

Hannie59 :"And as for the person below who claims E-10 produces a 10% mileage decrease... that is physically impossible regardless of vehicle."....

Your ideology clouds your judgement or you hope if you repeat a lie loud enough and long enough people will believe it.

I have complete written records for a 1975 GMC pickup dating back to 12-94
that proves that the year we switched to E10 I lost 10-12% in fuel mileage.

I have incomplete records from 4-88 for a 79 Volvo that had a loss of 10%

I have complete records from 4-94 on 1994 Ford Ranger 2.3L manual trans that show 7% loss in mileage.

I am an absolute nut for record keeping i know what every tank costs per mile and miles per gallon. I have facts and paperwork to back it up.Ethanol can and does lower mileage 10% of you like it or not.

[Edited by: CactusBobs at 5/9/2014 5:18:34 PM EST]
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miniskunk
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Message Posted: May 9, 2014 4:18:32 PM

Ethanol Defence does work. It isn't any more wasteful to use it than to put Sta-bil into your tank. ED especially helped my car run a lot smoother and become drivable much faster during the bitter cold winters I experience where I live.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 9, 2014 8:13:14 AM

LOL! Keep wasting your money! Your car is far better off with ethanol in the tank, even higher than 10%, than it is with the vile waste of money being sold by Bell performance. They are using fear to sell crap you are better off without. Fear of a problem that does not exist. And as for the person below who claims E-10 produces a 10% mileage decrease... that is physically impossible regardless of vehicle.

Keep it coming you people who still think the world is flat. Bell performance laughs all the way to the bank at you.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/9/2014 8:18:42 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 9, 2014 2:40:03 AM

Ethanol Defence is nothing more than snake oil. If you want to throw your money away then do so. As for me I will continue to use superior ethanol blended fuels.
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miniskunk
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Message Posted: May 7, 2014 7:39:52 PM

The products that protect the engine either stabilize the ethanol so it does not break down (the main cause of engine damage) and/or boost the octane to help offset the loss of power/mileage. One product I use does both and makes a huge difference for me in the loss of power I experience in cold weather. It is called Ethanol Defence made by Bell Perfomance. I don't fully buy into claims of mileage improvement by additives such as this one as I only see a 10% boost in mileage when I use ethanol free fuel compared to 10% blended ethanol with the fuel treatment. Despite no noticable mileage improvement, at a low cost of about 10 cents a gallon to protect my engine, I still feel it is worth the price in my opinion.

[Edited by: miniskunk at 5/7/2014 7:40:31 PM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 6, 2014 6:54:34 AM

"That is a bunch of BUNK. My van will not idle with ethanol."
Then fix your van! If it has a lot of miles on gasoline, the ethanol has cleaned your system and the garbage left by gasoline has cleaned it, and deposited the crap on your filter.
If you don't have a lot of miles, then you have another problem that needs fixing.

"My son has a truck and auto repair shop, have seen first hand what ethanol can do to engine."
It sounds like he has been using ethanol as an excuse for quite some time. That is the classic behaviour of a lazy or incompetent mechanic.

"Also my wife just purchased a new vehicle, the service department said never put ethanol in her new vehicle"
Baloney. Read her manual, there is not a regular vehicle sold in Canada and the USA that has a restriction like that. Think about it, E10 has been around for over 40 years, and you know mechanics that say vehicles can't handle it?
Wow, all I can say is, wow.
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montpelier28
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 5:56:30 PM

Mohrorless - very good question.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 5:41:47 PM

Don20 : please tell us what failures you have seen in a car or truck engine that have been related to E10?

mis-fueling with E85 does not count.

your Van has a problem , it may need an adjustment or is having a failure of some sort.

PS: i am not a ethanol fan-boy. but, in all my 39 years as an automotive tech. i have never seen a ethanol related failure on a light duty car or truck.
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NemoIL
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 4:42:57 PM

Breaking it down.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 11:39:57 AM

My 1994 vehicle runs on E35, my 2000 runs on E30 without any Ethanol related damages. For last 20+ years all vehicles I have owned run on at least E10, yet zero Ethanol related failures. What does that tell you.
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Don20
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 11:06:19 AM

We are being brain washed that ethanol is OK to use no difference. That is a bunch of BUNK. My van will not idle with ethanol. My son has a truck and auto repair shop, have seen first hand what ethanol can do to engine. Also my wife just purchased a new vehicle, the service department said never put ethanol in her new vehicle.. So what does that tell you..
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 10:26:55 AM

Tsunamiron, what is your experience with ethanol? Since 2007,I have been using high blends of ethanol including over 40% in a Honda CRV and over 65% in a Ford Windstar. I have never experienced an ethanol related performance or maintenance problem.
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Tsunamiron
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 7:45:03 AM

Bottom line is avoid ethanol at all costs. Otherwise it will cost you a lot in fuel system repairs.
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BAJALRRP
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 11:32:43 AM

That's what I want: more water in my gas!
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nurdco
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 12:24:19 AM

Reactive byproduct is water
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mojo803
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:43:42 PM

They keep pushing the E, but it's no good
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 5:31:06 PM

You end up with enzyme pee?

Why would you want to remove a perfectly good product from your fuel?
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46chief
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 2:08:38 PM

Gas is expensive enough without the added expense of additives.
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 12:13:17 PM

we are putting STA-BIL sold at Wal-Mart into the gas per instructions on the bottle into a car that is driven only in rare, but needed occasion. We only buy 3 gallons at a time to fuel it more regularly. still, it gets gas as long as every 2 months. Are we wasting out money?

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 4/27/2014 12:15:02 PM EST]
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 10:56:57 AM

Don't get too crazy about this....
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 7:53:21 AM

Good question!
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 3:30:45 PM

In another thread, Houckster, who apparently researches gas blends & additives rather extensively, said he was adding "Ethanol Defense" to the tank of his Ranger PU. Haven't heard back from him; perhaps because we've crossed swords on some political matters in the past. But he's articulate on these matters.

Anybody have reliable info on the product, "Ethanol Defense?"
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 3:13:33 PM

You cant remove the ethanol with anaddtive, allyou can do is lessen its negitive effectives with other chemicals.

The only wayto remove it is to wash it out with water.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 3:08:02 PM

To answer your question, what's produced, the bottom line is the material eventually hardens into an amber-type solid that eventually cracks into tiny pieces, insoluble debris, that eventually (or not) must be physically removed. When and/or it must be physically removed depends on how much debris accumulates over the years.

That said, I assume you're talking about removing ethanol on a one-time basis, not trying to remove ethanol from each/every tank of gas you buy. First, Is that correct?

The second question is, if you did in fact remove the ethanol from your single tank of gas, would you be then draining the non-ethanol gas to use in something else or would you use the now non-ethanol in your car as "ethanol-free gasoline"? First, you wouldn't know what the new octane rating was because you've removed components that that the refineries used to meet specifications.

Third, for the sake of curiosity, are you thinking of doing this one time, or doing it on a regular basis? If you're thinking of doing it on a regular basis, why not just buy non-ethanol gas to begin with, even if it costs more than ethanol-gas. At least that way you're sure of the quality of what you're using.

Does the above or any of the posts below answer your question?

However, to learn more about what you're asking than I can answer, check the following link:
Removing Ethanol
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borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 1:36:09 PM

Remove the ethanol before you put the crap in your fuel tank.

A couple of links to a simple way to remove the ethanol to protect your vintage engines.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78525
http://www.ridergroups.com/1952/how-to-remove-ethanol-from-e10-fuel-for-your-motorcycle/
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 1:26:36 PM

you can't remove Ethanol from fuel and still have something left worth having
what you would end up with is a low octane fuel that would not burn well

So your question has no answer because you can't do it and still have useable fuel

So the product you are using must not do anything



[Edited by: CactusBobs at 2/3/2014 1:30:07 PM EST]
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 12:59:26 PM

Probably just water and co2, like when ethanol is burned. It's an extremely clean fuel. Simple natural molecules.
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