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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 3:52:25 AM

Despite all the things I've said in the past about ethanol good or bad. I want as many opinions as I can get! Can I use the cheapest gas possible in a lawn mower without negative effects if used in a timely manner. It is a 87 octane with 10% ethanol blend. THanks Mike and also what do you guys usually use?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 10:42:03 AM

Lawn mowers, chain saws, snow blowers, etc, all work just fine here, AH_1_Pilot, and all pumps in the province have had E10 regular, and E5 mid-grade, for a few years now. Shops are not filled with dead machines ftom E10 use, and never have been.
AH_1_Pilot
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:02:31 AM

GB needs to add the capability for us to indicate if a station sells non-ethanol gas - for us to use in our small engines like lawn mowers, chain saws, etc.
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 11:27:06 PM

Naw! Too much snow on the ground yet.
CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 9:39:07 PM

Im sure you don't grow corn I'm sure you grow "FIELDS"" of corn
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 4:02:44 AM

No, I do not grow corn. Too many deer in my back yard. I only promote ethanol as it is a superior fuel. Ethanol has been doing a wonderful job in my snowblower lately.
DerTaubman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2015 9:47:07 AM

I use 87 with fuel stabilizer mixed in.
CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 9:21:42 PM

its ironic gold seeker you have a cornfield in the backround you must grow corn and profit off it and that is why you push it so much
misfitgrz
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 10:15:23 PM

all good in da hood
SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 12:28:34 PM

For decades, I've been using E10 in small engines and high ethanol blends in my vehicles and have never seen any ethanol related damage or performance problems. No special engines or parts.

Do these ethanol damage "experts" have any ethanol usage experience? I doubt it.
englanddh2
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 8:59:30 AM

Actually the two real problems with ethanol is plastic/rubber parts in small engines and water in the fuel. But as far as how it burns in an engine, it is actually better since it burns cleaner. But it also burns hotter, so hopefully the valves are of good quality.

As far as the plastic/rubber parts, you can purchase ones specifically designed to hold up against ethanol. But you will definitely pay more, likely as much as double the price. Now as far as the water, hard to combat it on small engines since the best solution is a fuel filter with a water separator bowl on it.

The real question is, is it really worth paying more for the good parts or paying less at the pump.
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 8:32:25 AM

mtnrambo wrote: "ethanol destroys small engines"

Strange, I use ethanol in last 20+ years and I can report 0 (zero) destroyed small engines. My personal experience does not match your Big Oil propaganda.



[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 1/16/2015 8:34:59 AM EST]
mtnrambo
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2015 5:14:11 AM

ethanol destroys small engines
moxxor54
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2015 7:20:03 AM

Read the owner's manual for your product. I use premium for my high performance chainsaw
Floridaman2013
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 6:50:26 AM

I've used E10 on everything since it's inception and only had to replace a few primer bulbs and those cheap little fuel ines. Those were all over 5 years old, some close to 10. Been using dry gas since was a teenager and never had a problem with using it, only when I didn't in the winter did I have some problems in New England winters.
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2015 3:32:55 AM

Used my snowblower this weekend. Ran just fine on ethanol blended fuel. And that was after setting for several months.
CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 11:08:18 PM

key phrase is chugging along haha
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2015 8:49:09 PM

Not starting my lawn mower this week. I expect to start my snow blower tomorrow. Runs just fine on gasohol.

[Edited by: stickyvalves at 1/4/2015 8:49:39 PM EST]
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 2:52:07 AM

And my 24 year old mower keeps chugging along on ethanol.
rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2014 9:11:35 PM

So, Mikevy, why not buy eqtuipment made by a company that has advanced a little in the past 35 years? Heck, buying an engine that doesn't handle E10 is like buying lighting that is made for direct current. It just shouldn't ne, period.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 12/26/2014 9:11:53 PM EST]
Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2014 3:00:54 PM

it tells you what to use in your owners manual.

here what is in my line trimmer:

use of alcohol blended fuels, can came major engine performance and durability problems.

in my mower it says the ethanol blended fuels can attract moisture…
CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 7:43:04 PM

is premium gas the best for lawnmowers and weed eater leaf blowers etc....
nickless
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 4:11:38 AM

Back to the manual push mower.
FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2014 12:08:17 AM

Been using E10 for decades, no problem.

Last winter I accidently filled the snowblower with E85. It started and ran just fine with the choke on the first detent "closed".
GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:42:57 PM

My lawn & garden equipment says to use 89 octane midgrade fuel....
bigpeteOH
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:09:56 PM

Anything electric is cheap. Will never last
heyman_31036
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 11:34:34 AM

So far so good with regular 87 octane + alch. in a 15 year old mower but carb. may need rebuilding soon.
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 10:50:48 PM

Take care of the mower and it will last a long time.
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 5:13:10 AM

And my 23 year old mower keeps chugging along on ethanol.
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 10:31:06 AM

PhilnTX wrote: "Read the owner's manual for your product. It will tell you what the manufacturer recommends. Most say don't use it."

Please link to few of them. Strangely enough some that I have seen do not agree with you.

"Unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of at least 87 ((R+M)/2 rating method) is the recommended fuel grade for all gasoline engines in Toro products. Gasoline with up to 10% ethanol (gasohol) or 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) by volume is acceptable."

Toro fuel recommendation

"Gasoline is allowed, by regulation, to contain a variety of additives. The same regulation limits how much of some additives, such as alcohol, can be included in the fuel and still allow it to be sold as gasoline. Honda engines are designed for good performance and efficient operation using gasoline containing from 0 to 10% ethanol."

Honda fuel recommendation

"Gasoline that is 89 octane or higher is specifically recommended in engines that are two stroke and air cooled. Gasoline may contain a MAXIMUM of 10% Ethanol. Two stroke air cooled engines are approved to use a 87 octane rated clean gasoline in emergency situations."

Husqvarna fuel recommendation

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 8/1/2014 10:32:05 AM EST]
jorobins538
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 9:57:07 AM

got an electric mower - no more gas ever! Now, if I could get the scratch together for an all electric car . . .
PhilnTX
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 2:30:34 PM

Read the owner's manual for your product. It will tell you what the manufacturer recommends. Most say don't use it.



[Edited by: PhilnTX at 7/31/2014 2:31:57 PM EST]
tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:57:32 PM

So I don't get it. If dry gas is ethanol and it removes water from the petrol, where does the water go to then?
greydog13
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 11:07:35 PM

I use regular gas with E10 in my vehicles and non-ethanol in mowers, trimmers, etc
sh1361
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 7:46:24 PM

Distilled spirits are comprised of ethanol and water why don't they separate over time?
Could the petrol Be the problem?
jacksfan
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 6:00:00 PM

E-0 ruined the carburetor needle valve on my lawnmower. Ethanol had nothing to do with it.
46chief
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 1:18:23 PM

E-85 ruined the carburetor needle valve in my lawnmower. I don't like it!
dassfg
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2014 8:10:54 AM

In the DFW area our fuel is so loaded I must up the octane to mid grade and use RXP for all of my small gas motors to function
SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2014 11:13:19 AM

With the 10,000 lakes, Minnesota summers are very humid. But I have never heard of anyone's gasoline phase separating. Must only happen in remote parts of the country....
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2014 10:42:59 AM

Alcohol absorbs moisture. It's called gas line antifreeze.

You people along the east coast have more humidity than Iowa does. You might need to keep your mower tank empty. I don't have any moisture problems with my mowers. Enjoy your day.
bkfist
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:56:04 AM

I avoid alcohol in small engines. If anyone doubts gasohol absorbing moisture, put about a pint of gas into an 8X12 cake pan on a humid day and watch the gas turn cloudy in anywhere from 30 seconds to 20 minutes (depending on humidity and temperature). Wait another 3 minutes to half hour and the gasohol will phase separate and the water/alcohol combination will sink to the bottom. You can turn the pan so one corner is lower and see the separated water/alcohol more easily... The cake pan is to increase surface area to make the reaction faster, but the same thing can happen over time in any tank/carburetor.
(Make sure to observe safety precautions with a cake pan full of gasoline... Outside, no flames etc).
Gasohol additives do NOT prevent this, they only SLIGHTLY slow it by allowing about twice the moisture to be absorbed before phase separation occurs, as compared to untreated gasohol, and add a little rust protection to the crud that settles out.
khp33
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2014 10:54:18 AM

Yes I agree.
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2014 3:40:47 PM

More gasohol going into my lawn mower tonite. Gotta mow grass before it rains again.
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2014 9:19:19 AM

no trust
badbobKY
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2014 9:02:11 AM

not in mowers
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2014 4:26:20 AM

"“Ethanol has alcohol in it. Alcohol absorbs water,” What a ridiculous statement. Ethanol is an alcohol and alcohols are normally put into gas tanks to remove water. What do you think dry gas is made of?

I use ethanol fuels in my string trimmers and they work just fine. No amount of tall tales from Texas will change my mind.
tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 12:27:49 PM

Quoting fuel-testers.com & there distorted,some cases fictional,manufacturers fuel warnings designed to scare people into buying there Fuel Test Kits will only make you look like a gullible fool PhilnTX!

You also conveniently failed to quote Mr.Brodd stating "If you’re careful and follow proper maintenance E10 works."

[Edited by: tropicalmn at 6/6/2014 12:32:36 PM EST]
PhilnTX
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 11:55:55 AM

There is a mower/small engine repair shop 1 mile from where I work. I took my string trimmer in about 3 months ago. First question. What kind of gas do you use? Showed me several 5 gallon buckets of carburetors that looked like "mush" on the insides. He just laughed and said "I'm glad people use ethanol in these things". $50 later, I have a string trimmer that starts on the first pull again. (replace the carb with a clean used one.)

Ariens (EZR Easy Turn Mower) - Prohibits use of E10 fuel - Quote, "DO NOT use gasohol ot gasoline containing alcohol. Alcohol will cause internal parts to deteriorate.".

Murray (Lawn Tractor) - E10 warnings/precautions only - Quote, "A mixture of alcohol and gasoline will attract moisture and cause acid deposits during storage.".

Poulan (Chain Saw) - E10 warnings/precautions only - Quote, "Experience indicates that alcohol blended fuels can attract moisture which leads to fuel mixture separation and formation of acids during storage."

Sears (Craftsman Tiller) - E10 warnings/precautions only - Quote, "Experience indicates that alcohol blended fuels can attract moisture which leads to fuel mixture separation and formation of acids during storage.".

Briggs and Stratton - E10 warnings/precautions only - Quote, "Some fuels are gasoline blended with alcohols or ethers. Excessive amounts of these blends can damage the fuel system or cause performance problems. If any undesirable operating conditions occur, use gasoline with a lower percentage of alcohol or ether."Tim Brodd of Brodd Small Engine Repair in Lincoln, Neb., said you’ll probably find using E10 is acceptable. Still, he said, there is some risk.

“Ethanol has alcohol in it. Alcohol absorbs water,” said Brodd, who repairs and sells mowers and other equipment at his shop. “And if that fuel is not rotated, that water just sitting there will cause corrosion issues over time.”

In that case, Brodd said, it’s really the water that causes the damage by corroding fuel lines or the carburetor, the part of the engine where fuel mixes with air to create the volatile mix that is compressed and exploded in the piston cylinder. So if you’re laid back about keeping the grass short or only pull the snow blower out a couple times per year, you could end up with a bad carburetor and a bill from your mechanic.

“Just in parts on some of these machines you could spend upwards of $150-200 just for the carburetor itself,” Brodd said.
ggg452
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 10:49:56 AM

Corn is for food, not fuel....
stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2014 9:48:29 AM

Mower worked just fine again last nite. It's only 6 years old. Ethanol rusted the handle on my old mower. It was 15 years old. Darned ethanol
klroth025
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 3:02:14 PM

Ethanol fuel/air ratio is different than gas. The smaller the engine, the more sensitive it is to mixture changes.
buickentury
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 12:34:26 PM

I have used ethanol laced gasoline in every engine (big or small) I've ever owned and haven't had any issues that could be definitively traced to fuel/ethanol.
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