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CORNHICK

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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 3:52:25 AM

Despite all the things I've said in the past about ethanol good or bad. I want as many opinions as I can get! Can I use the cheapest gas possible in a lawn mower without negative effects if used in a timely manner. It is a 87 octane with 10% ethanol blend. THanks Mike and also what do you guys usually use?
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tiny1oh
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:45:31 AM

leave it alone
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 4:32:28 PM

It breaks the cords of weedwackers!
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 12:49:42 PM

I heard from my mechanic ethanol eats the wires off electric mowers.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:47:16 AM

"Koeler makes a engine just for E85."

I assume you meant Kohler. I see the 3 models they produced presumably available at a few sites, but I couldn't find a price. Also, they'd be a little big for your average lawn mower at a minimum of 25HP. We were discussing ethanol blends in SMALL engines; a 25 to 26.5 HP EFI engine seems irrelevant to the discussion.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 8:05:32 AM

I will admit that my mower won't run on any ethanol blend.
Electrics are funny that way.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 4:51:54 AM

"No on E85!" And why not? Koeler makes a engine just for E85.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:29:45 AM

It rained in Iowa. Going to mow grass Saturday!
No problem starting the old mower with gasohol in its tank.
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bhWY
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:14:58 AM

Use premium gas
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 4:50:16 AM

"fuel stabilizer added with every fill."

Unless your fills are many weeks apart, that is a waste, but the company that makes the stabilizer thanks you.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 11:15:22 PM

Been using gasohol forever. No problem.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 2:55:11 PM

fuel stabilizer added with every fill.
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rodmiser
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 9:48:01 AM

Premium 91
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parrip
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 2:58:49 PM

No on E85!
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 9:18:47 AM

no go
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furball64801
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2014 4:03:59 PM

I have used ethanol mix for years in the riders.
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dougc905
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2014 8:23:38 AM

Premium fuel only. I have found that the gas doesn't muck up the carb and I get easier starts, even after sitting over winter. The same for my snow blower and weed eater. The extra cost isn't a concern with the small amount I use.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2014 8:48:03 PM

I want a put a nitrous injection system on my mower to get through them tuff weeds.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 11:45:58 AM

I never had a problem starting up the 30 year old lawnmower for the first time in the spring. I usually drained the tank before winter, but not always. E10 was the only fuel I ever used, with no additives or stabilizers. I gave it back to my dad a few years ago when I got an electric mower, but used it for 10 years. It always ran well and never had a fuel related problem.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:43:32 AM

In the days before E10, it was good practice to shut off the fuel supply to a carburetor (or drain it if there wasn't a shutoff) if it wasn't going to be run for a month or more. With E10 fuel, draining it is a must, even if it has a shutoff, because the ethanol will attract moisture and you'll be trying to burn water when you attempt to restart it. If you like getting your exercise by pulling on the starter cord over and over, I guess it would be good for that.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:28:47 AM

Ethanol residue? That must be the invisible stuff on the inside of liquor bottles.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:14:12 AM

The_Waysiders wrote: "My small engine mechanic scrapped out a layer of gunk from my lawn mower carburetor and said it was due to ethanol residue building up over the winter."

It is time to look for a new small engine mechanic.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:05:24 AM

"problems they have had because they didn't drain their tanks in periods of non-use"

That's the key. It's good practice to either drain the tank or shut off the fuel supply (if you can), especially with ethanol fuels. Gasoline will evaporate and leave gum and varnish behind, and ethanol will evaporate and leave water behind. The difference is that the gum and varnish can be dissolved with carb cleaner, but if the water rusts the steel parts of the fuel system, they have to be replaced.
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The_Waysiders
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:53:26 AM

My small engine mechanic scrapped out a layer of gunk from my lawn mower carburetor and said it was due to ethanol residue building up over the winter.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 9:20:11 AM

"The small engine repair shops love ethanol because it generates a lot of business for them" from suckers who are taken in by the rhetoric. Once an area has E10 in ALL regular pumps, people realize they have been suckered, and the problems they have had because they didn't drain their tanks in periods of non-use really were exactly the same with E0 or E10.
I know of nobody who was fed that line here, and no of nobody who has had ethanol-related problems with mowers, chain saws, snow blowers, etc, and our regular fuel has been E10 for several years.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 4:04:33 AM

"My small engine repair shop told me to run premium gas and try to find it without ethanol (to much heat)."

Too much heat! LOL! That shop will no doubt recommend some snake oil too.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:59:29 PM

"What part of the world "please" do you have problem comprehend? Unlike you I asked."

Oh, you were asking me? I don't own a gas station.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:54:29 PM

bhWY, it's time to find a new small engine repair shop.
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bhWY
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:43:51 PM

My small engine repair shop told me to run premium gas and try to find it without ethanol (to much heat).
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:06:50 PM

TomB2 wrote: "The small engine repair shops love ethanol because it generates a lot of business for them, not covered by any manufacturer's warranty. I use 1 oz StaBil per 2 1/2 gallons E-10 and am not having any problems this way so far."

Sounds like you are one of the small engine "mechanics" that rip people off while blaming ethanol.

Can you list 5 lawn mover models sold in St. Louis in last 10 years that do not warranty E10 usage?

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 3/17/2014 8:07:33 PM EST]
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:07:04 PM

tomb2 thanks
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 3:41:21 PM

I'd use real gas in my mower if I could get it, but I cannot. The small engine repair shops love ethanol because it generates a lot of business for them, not covered by any manufacturer's warranty. I use 1 oz StaBil per 2 1/2 gallons E-10 and am not having any problems this way so far.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 9:41:37 AM

HotRod10 wrote: "When you want gas station owners to "start selling E-85 at every gas station.", then you are attempting to dictate what they have to sell and are trying to rob them of their choice of what to sell."

What part of the world "please" do you have problem comprehend? Unlike you I asked.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 3/17/2014 9:42:05 AM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 9:37:27 AM

"There are options without taking away from other choices."

Are you going to pay the gas station owner the $100,000 to install an extra tank to put the E85 in? If not, there is no viable option without eliminating another grade or type of fuel.

If a gas station does not have E85, then the owner has made the choice, which is his to make and not yours. When you want gas station owners to "start selling E-85 at every gas station.", then you are attempting to dictate what they have to sell and are trying to rob them of their choice of what to sell. You already have an option; if there's one station that offers E85, then you can go there. You have many options, why advocate taking away someone else's?

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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 8:29:25 AM

HotRod10 wrote: "No, there isn't any way to add E85 without eliminating another product or adding another storage tank. No matter how the fuel is blended, you have to have a tank of E85 on the site."

Thank you for confirming what I wrote. There are options without taking away from other choices.

HotRod10 wrote: "Well then, you'll have to move to South America where they have fuel without gasoline."

With E85 I can minimize the junk in my gas tank. E98 would be even better.

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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2014 7:44:33 AM

I have been using E10 for over 15 years in all my boats, mowers, trimmers and never had a problem with them that is ethanol related. I think if some one has problems from Ethanol, either their equipment is real old, has Imported parts, or is just worn out, period.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2014 10:39:43 PM

"There are ways, for example blender pumps, to accomplish it without taking away from other choices."

No, there isn't any way to add E85 without eliminating another product or adding another storage tank. No matter how the fuel is blended, you have to have a tank of E85 on the site.

"At the same time, I don't want rubber and plastic killing chemicals commonly found in gasoline like Benzene, Toluene, Xylene, and others alike in my fuel."

Well then, you'll have to move to South America where they have fuel without gasoline.

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 3/16/2014 10:41:58 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2014 9:11:37 PM

HotRod10 wrote: "Take away the gas station owner's choice so you can have yours, eh krzysiek?"

Unlike Big Oil Shills who would want to force their choices on everybody else, I simply asked. There are ways, for example blender pumps, to accomplish it without taking away from other choices. At the same time, I don't want rubber and plastic killing chemicals commonly found in gasoline like Benzene, Toluene, Xylene, and others alike in my fuel.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 3/16/2014 9:16:57 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2014 5:17:29 PM

"Please, give us choice and start selling E-85 at every gas station."

Take away the gas station owner's choice so you can have yours, eh krzysiek? Gas stations only have so many tanks; adding E85 means eliminating another grade or type of fuel. You have your choice - you can go where the E85 is sold or you can buy something else. Forcing all stations to sell E85 decreases choice.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2014 8:28:35 AM

Stabil is great stuff. I tried snake oil and it gummed up the jets.

On the other hand, Stabil has never proved to be problematic.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2014 11:27:10 PM

how do you guys know if stabil works or not do you have any proof?
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randy3116
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2014 5:40:43 AM

whatever is sold at the nearest gasoline station
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:09:35 PM

Fuel stabil does not work.
Ethanol free gas does.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 2:17:15 AM

Stabil is nothing more than snake oil. You can throw your money away if you want.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2014 12:57:09 AM

thanks yeah ill just try stabil or get the stuff without the darn ethanol in it
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:11:24 AM

You can but you may have to buy a new mower every few years
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 1:21:19 PM

I use E-10 in my mower only because I cannot buy gas without it. I use 1 oz. StaBil per 2 1/2 gallons to try to counteract the harmful effects of the ethanol and the prevent the ethanol from gumming up the carburetor. I know far too many people who have had problems with new mowers due to the ethanol gumming up their carburetor. Small engine manufacturers don't warrant fuel related problems especially if the problem is ethanol related.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 11:27:24 AM

100% ethanol fuel?
Good luck getting the engine to start on a cold morning.
Did you ever bother to think why e85 is actually e70 in colder regions during winter? I'm guessing no.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2014 3:09:12 AM

It would be nice to have a blender pump at every station. Also would be nice to have e100 hydrous ethanol.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 9:39:41 PM

Please, give us choice and start selling E-85 at every gas station.

Gas is what damages engines, not ethanol.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 3/6/2014 9:40:56 PM EST]
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borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2014 5:06:48 PM

We should be allowed to buy the fuel that is best for its intended use.
blender pumps would allow for our making the proper choice.

Don’t mandate ethanol until blender pumps are available to give the buyer choice:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine
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