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lorifriese

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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 12:11:52 PM

I love, love, love my Jeep Wrangler - but I wish it was a Flex Fuel Vehicle! I rented a Chrysler van for a trip that was Flex Fuel and WOW what great prices on fuel!
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gasmachine13
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 11:43:22 AM

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arthur1957
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 11:21:44 AM

I have a Tahoe that can run E85. But you get 20% less mileage from it. I used it for a short time after Katrina. That was the first time I saw gas go over $3. I was buying E85 for $1.69. In the last couple years, E85 has been only 40-50 cents a gallon less that E15, so it is more expensive to use given the drop in fuel economy.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:38:36 AM

"The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!"

That seems to be a problem in a lot of areas...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:33:05 AM

rando991 wrote: "The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!"

Maybe be in your area, but not in mine.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:29:50 AM

The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:47:45 AM

I don't have one, but I topped off with e85 yesterday which brought my overall mix up to e25 and it ran great with no noticeable difference in mileage.
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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:26:17 AM

Im good with my diesel Jetta at 50 mpg
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SoldiersTrack
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 9:40:27 PM

Well reading all this makes me be at least be happy to be in Tampa area, since we have Thorntons here and they have E-85 always like .50cents less than regular gasoline. Too bad that WaWa don't have E-85 because in Orlando will be a killer since they are the more gas station that you see there. I drive a Toyota Prius and it love the E-85. I did got a little less MPG but for that price who cares?
Besides another solution will be using fuel perks that WinnDixie offer here and sometimes your price per gallon will drop to almost nothing if you have enough accumulated, too bad it only give 20 gallons that way but still I fill my Prius that is only 10 Gallons, and then the rest for my wife that have a Buick LeSabre.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 6:41:52 PM

I am currently driving at 1.5-2 cents / mile less than gasohol cost.
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 1:17:20 PM

Not me!
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2014 7:31:24 AM

There are times when the difference in price between E10 and E85 make it worth buying and others when it is not. Just have to calculate how much your mpg is reduced first
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2014 10:51:48 AM

No thanks.
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Cap0007
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 4:16:35 PM

not
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namzza6310
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 8:41:13 AM

Need to have gasprices.com to have e-85 entries
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 4:44:30 PM

Well like THIS site, it relies on users. I try to post there as often as prices fluctuate around me.

In areas where E-85 users are not that numerous, data is not as up to date as areas that have a lot of users.

That station by you may not have an updated post. If nothing else, it can be interesting to look at how entrepreneurs are getting the fuel alcohol to the end user in creative and efficient ways. A lot of it is still geographically influenced, unfortunately.

Ethanol is going to have to pretty much create their own distribution system at this point. Which I hope they themselves realize and get moving on.....

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/22/2014 4:47:13 PM EST]
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 3:10:38 PM

Hannie59: that great site is really , really WRONG!
it has E85 prices in stations that have not had E85 in a year or more
it has regular on one stations @ 3.40 and i know for a fact that the price is 3.22

prices look to be really outdated.

nice looking site though , thanks for the link , i will keep my eye on it .

[Edited by: CactusBobs at 2/22/2014 3:11:20 PM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 7:33:20 AM

Hiya Cactus, yes your state for various reasons does not have the best pricing. The best I can find according to

this great site

is about a buck difference, in Western Michigan. Similiar pricing is going on in other parts of the midwest as well. They've got some pretty clever entrepreneurs in the ethanol business that are very efficient and getting better every day.

I wish everyone could take advantage of this but where I live the price spread is only about 60 cents.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 12:11:49 AM

Saving money? Reducing the fuel economy of a vehicle by using this stuff is not saving money!
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 3:22:13 PM

I keep hearing about all this money savings with E85
all i can guess is E85 is cheaper by a lot somewhere else that it is here in Arizona

the best i have ever seen was $.11 cheaper for E85 than E10
when the local station stopped carrying it it was $.04 cheaper

Where are the Savings ?
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 2:04:29 PM

"all forced induction vehicles like E85."

Of course; at higher compression the lower volatility (higher equivalent octane rating) makes up for the lower energy content. Too bad most FFVs don't have a turbo or supercharger.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:39:58 PM

Yes, all forced induction vehicles like E85. What is there not to like about cheap race gas.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 9:27:38 AM

Yeah goldseeker... Since I am always at the E-85 pump blending to E30+ for my non FFVs (now alomst 200,000 between the two Hyundais all on E-30 or higher, and still NEVER an engine or fuel system issue), I frequently see Subarus there. I have talked with many soob owners over the years and they LOVE E-85. Most have told me they have changed out their injectors and map. And as you state, they seem to always claim a negligible loss on E-85 and much more power. And they are always fired up about how much money they save on fuel and how much fun their cars are with E-85 in the tank.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/21/2014 9:28:47 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 2:46:56 AM

I have a friend who converted a subaru to e85 and it runs great with gobs of horsepower, and he only lost 5% on mileage.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 11:17:22 PM

" it may take some time for the system to adjust between fuels, and the engine may run rough during the transition,"

Milliseconds.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 9:28:54 AM

"How is constantly changing fuels 'hard' on a computer???"

It isn't. Changing fuels is no harder on a ECM than running a big spreadsheet on your desktop computer. GrizzlyRaptor is mistaken; it may take some time for the system to adjust between fuels, and the engine may run rough during the transition, but it won't damage anything.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 9:15:59 AM

" This createss a problem because constantly switching between gasoline and E-85 is hard on the engine's computer"

OK, I have to ask...

A computer simply processes the data that it receives and provides a output. How is constantly changing fuels "hard" on a computer???
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 8:34:49 AM

"This createss a problem because constantly switching between gasoline and E-85 is hard on the engine's computer. "

The entertainment value if this website is priceless.
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GrizzlyRaptor
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 6:07:26 PM

Be crefull what you wish for. My truck has a flex fuel engine and I have used E-85. The price per gallon is great. But I lost 4 mpg using it. Furthermore, finding gas stations that sell E-85 outside of major cities is difficult. This createss a problem because constantly switching between gasoline and E-85 is hard on the engine's computer.
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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 8:06:54 PM

not me
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 9:40:35 AM

The people crying about ethanol in fuel today... were they the same people crying about unleaded fuel when that was mandated? If someone created the perfect, cheap, homegrown, non-polluting fuel, these same people would be defending the oil companies.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 12:53:15 AM

Wow what a great reduction in fuel economy!
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rodmiser
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2014 2:26:06 PM

NO !!!
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2014 12:39:22 PM

Yes folks even in Gentry County,MO they still grow crops other than corn!LOL

Somehow I don’t think it should be surprising an armchair ignoramus that has claimed it doesn’t cost the US anything in the Middle East because our military is” just practicing “& that oil pipelines are clean (why doesn’t everyone want one running through their back yard) hasn’t the foggiest clue about agriculture or ethanol production. Is there even a ethanol plant within 100 miles of Gentry County,MO?

On the other hand Smithfield Foods(which China is buying), the largest pork producer in the world, under its subsidiary Murphy-Brown has farms in five counties in northern Missouri( including Gentry County) that have 112,000 sows producing 1.9 million market pigs a year. The five counties probably have the largest concentration of hog production in the US requiring a lot of corn. Suppose maybe the increase in hog production is creating the shift to more corn production in that area of the country?



“Indisputable fact: Before the ethanol mandate corn was $2/bushel. Is now several times higher.”

Another ridiculous inane claim. Corn is now under $4.50/ bushel. Corn in first half of 1996 was similar priced peaked over 5.00 long before the mandate. Farther more each year until 2012 ethanol production was considerable more than the mandated amount ethanol.Maintaining corn at $2.00 wasn’t sustainable in 2005 at the costs associated with production at that time & certainly isn’t today with cost of production by some estimates double from 2005.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2014 12:15:31 PM

A waste of money for me...
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James48843
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2014 12:13:59 PM

fieldt- if you have a flex fuel vehicle you should at least give it a try.

visit http://e85prices.com for a list of stations in your area.
In Lansing today, E85 is just $2.45 a gallon at Speedway.
http://www.e85prices.com/michigan.html
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fieldt
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2014 11:57:16 AM

I have one but have never used E85.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2014 4:00:58 PM

"Please provide an example of a non-corn-based food previously grown in the northern states, displaced by corn, and experiencing a higher demand/supply ratio in commodity prices resulting in higher food prices."

Gentry County, MO. Previously corn was raised by the farmer to feed his cattle, the cash crop. The last few years I have been up there everything has been converted to corn, even alfalfa. The few cattle are raised to feed immediate family.

Indisputable fact: Before the ethanol mandate corn was $2/bushel. Is now several times higher.

There is no magic "investment" to increase corn yield, just throw money at it. Throw money for fertilizer (made from natural gas). Throw money at irrigation. Throw money at the field by not rotating crops, by not letting the field lie fallow every now and then. At $2 one must be efficient, at $6 one simply throws money at it to make money.

Endless corn crop after corn crop year after year is killing the soil. Its only a matter of time before the effects reach the public. Where do you think the raw ingredients of corn come from? Minerals in the soil. Can't keep taking those out of the ground forever.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 10:12:57 AM

"If buying a gasoline powered vehicle from this point on, it should be Flex Fuel"

Sorry, my next vehicle will be a Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey, or Chevy Traverse, none of which are FFVs or are scheduled to be in the next few years. All other 8-passenger vehicles are larger, get worse mileage, and cost more. Nope, no flex-fuel for me.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 9:27:31 AM

"drawinfinch...how about you provide some example since it seems like your know it all?"

I won't provide an example because corn has not displaced anything. Thanks to investments in agriculture and rural technology, farmers are pulling more corn from fewer acres.

"Really ethanol is cheaper...gasoline per liter has more power then ethanol so how you get your numbers must be some rosy pictures."

I get 1-2% lower mileage in my car with E10. It's 10% cheaper than E0 today, often more so.

"So tell me when have you eaten ethanol pulp kernel if you claim it is so good?"

100% ethanol is consumable, unlike gasoline. Also, the pulpy byproduct (distillers grains) is sold as a high quality animal feed after the starch has been removed. Incidentally, the starch is what makes corn a poor feed crop for cows and pigs (their stomachs don't digest it properly), so the high protein, heavy oil content of distillers grains is much appreciated by them and their owners.

"Also since when should the rest of us Tax Payers pay subsidy for something that was touted as a profit..."

Which subsidies are you refering to? The VEETC (ethanol subsidy) expired in 2011; ethanol companies themselves celebrated this, feeling that the industry was capable of standing on its own two feet without taxpayer help.

"...some have even closed or find it harder to start new Ethanol plants?"

New plants are being built, and invested in. New cellulosic technology in a few of them. Exciting stuff. Investors are motivated on this. Private money.

"Explain that to me."

I tried my best but it seems the oil companies have solidified your view of this issue.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 9:21:27 AM

"If buying a gasoline powered vehicle from this point on, it should be Flex Fuel"

Why would I want to buy a fuel guzzler?
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 6:48:52 AM

If buying a gasoline powered vehicle from this point on, it should be Flex Fuel
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Travelocity
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 10:39:54 PM

drawinfinch...how about you provide some example since it seems like your know it all? Really ethanol is cheaper...gasoline per liter has more power then ethanol so how you get your numbers must be some rosy pictures. So tell me when have you eaten ethanol pulp kernel if you claim it is so good? Also since when should the rest of us Tax Payers pay subsidy for something that was touted as a profit company would make it's own returns and some have even closed or find it harder to start new Ethanol plants? Explain that to me.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 3:18:44 PM

"Because the ethanol craze has farmers growing corn instead of other food crops."

Please provide an example of a non-corn-based food previously grown in the northern states, displaced by corn, and experiencing a higher demand/supply ratio in commodity prices resulting in higher food prices.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 11:13:18 AM

"You can start by finding out why corn prices are way down but food prices are up."

Because the ethanol craze has farmers growing corn instead of other food crops.

Corn prices are may be down compared to last year, and by some measures 2011 and 2012 as well, but it's considerably higher than Previous years.
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 10:36:24 AM

My 2011 and now 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee both have the Pentastar 3.6L which is great on the Flex Fuel blends. Always seems to maximize the mileage on whatever we put in the tank.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 10:36:18 AM

Travelocity, that's a nice summary of the ethanol mythology Big Oil has been spending millions to broadcast. Now take those individuals claims apart and research them (if you're interested in the truth). You can start by finding out why corn prices are way down but food prices are up.
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Travelocity
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 9:04:36 AM

All the fuel savings was wasted to produce Ethanol blended rather then using that money to improve gas mileage and pocketed the money to a few cronies. More backward thinking and not thinking outside the box. You wasted all those acreage for Ethanol that does nothing to benefit the mileage and I have yet to see any real independent proof that it improves mileage other then improving cronies lined pockets. You loose more acreage for food production consumption and you wonder why it cost so much to buy food negates all those so called Ethanol savings. Put this way the amount of energy and fuel used to produce Ethanol produced no savings.
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namzza6310
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 8:51:08 AM

Love e85
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stonejd
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2014 8:14:40 AM

Ethanol may be cheaper but it runs through your vehicle quicker and it's pure shit!
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2014 11:13:55 AM

"Anyone buying a gasoline vehicle should only consider flex fuel."

That really limits the options; in my case, I'd be down to only one vehicle that suits our needs, but we really don't like it. I think we'll take our chances with the vehicle we really want.
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