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lorifriese

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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 12:11:52 PM

I love, love, love my Jeep Wrangler - but I wish it was a Flex Fuel Vehicle! I rented a Chrysler van for a trip that was Flex Fuel and WOW what great prices on fuel!
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 6:20:33 PM

Does ScottAdams5 have any ethanol usage in vehicles experience? I doubt it.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 8:22:38 AM

"E85 has a lower *price* but a higher *cost of use* because the fuel economy drops so much when using it. "

I've used E85 for well over 100,000 miles. When we drive identical routes under similar driving conditions, the fuel economy is indistinguishable from regular gasoline. We have been doing these "tests" for over 12 years.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 8:17:31 AM

E85 has a lower *price* but a higher *cost of use* because the fuel economy drops so much when using it. It also shortens oil drain intervals by attacking the engine oil and reducing the oil's ability to protect the engine. This means more frequent oil changes, adding to the cost of using E85 even more.

E85 = the very expensive choice.
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:59:34 AM

rented a FFV ford econoline passenger van for my road trip...

however, didn't see ANY E85 stations along my route :(
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greydog13
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 11:10:41 PM

gas mileage lower w/E85 but last summer when there was a price difference of $1.20 it was worth buying E85
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 12:34:21 PM

"Pump" the propaganda...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 11:12:24 AM

pvdray wrote: "you obviously have not seen the fuel mileage with E85. You will end up spending more on fuel seeing how you will have to fill up more often"

Please educate us. What is your MP$, Miles Per Dollar, comparing E0 or E10 to E85. How many miles have you driven in comparison?
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 11:12:16 AM

"PUMP" Documentary
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 10:09:09 AM

Poor gas mileage....
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pvdray
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 9:24:16 AM

you obviously have not seen the fuel mileage with E85. You will end up spending more on fuel seeing how you will have to fill up more often
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 1:20:05 PM

Ignorance reigns supreme... To those of you whom are vieweng petroleum derived gasoline as the purity and ethanol as the contaminant. You have it 180 degrees wrong.

I have one word of advice for you. EVOLVE. Reality is NOT as you see it, not at all.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 8:06:53 AM

"krzysiek_ck - Read the comments below and/or Google it. E85 delivers much lower miles per gallon, making it more expensive to use than regular gasoline."

That's the theory. However, I've driven well over 100,000 miles using E85 in both FFV and nonFFV vehicles. Under identical routes and similar weather conditions, the difference in fuel economy is too slight to measure.

" Also, not using E85, we're not essentially burning our food, (corn), and so food prices don't skyrocket."

Three major flaws in that logic. First, the US is a surplus producer of grain, especially corn. That means US farmers produce more corn than can be consumed in one year. Second, if the market demand for corn decreased, farmers simply would not produce as much corn.

Think this one through as well. Fuel represents a higher cost component in food than does the grain itself, as much as 20%. Take any product made from corn, divide the cost per bushel by 56 pounds per bushel and multiply that number by the weight of corn in the product you are buying. A 14 ounce box of corn flakes, that sells for $3 to $5, contains $0.07 of corn, at todays market prices. If the market price for corn decreased by 50% or increased 100%, the impact on what you pay for groceries is insignificant.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 7:10:38 AM

krzysiek_ck - Read the comments below and/or Google it. E85 delivers much lower miles per gallon, making it more expensive to use than regular gasoline. Also, not using E85, we're not essentially burning our food, (corn), and so food prices don't skyrocket.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 3:39:40 PM

ScottAdams5 wrote: "E85 has a lower price per gallon, but a much higher cost of use as the miles per gallon is reduced so much vs. uncontaminated-with-ethanol fuel."

Please share your personal results. How much worse is it for you?
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 1:24:27 PM

E85 has a lower price per gallon, but a much higher cost of use as the miles per gallon is reduced so much vs. uncontaminated-with-ethanol fuel.
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46chief
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2014 8:27:34 AM

Gas mileage goes way down when I use E85.
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TreadingWater
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2014 7:35:47 PM

Tried it. I can buy E85 for $1.00 less/gallon, for a discount of 25%. My mileage was reduced by 25%.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 5:57:30 PM

Hannie59 is correct
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 7:31:51 AM

To the contrary, Jayburt.

E-85 usage in flex fuel vehicles reduces engine wear and prolongs engine life. Yes, you do get less MPG. But as for being good for the car, Ethanol is much better than gasoline.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 1:17:04 PM

Waste of money....use the extra cash for better tires.
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Jayburt
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 6:50:37 PM

but much lower mileage from that 'flex' fuel, also causes the engine more wear and tear
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thebrohta167
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 4:02:43 PM

no thank you
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CatwomanMN
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2014 11:24:03 AM

I had one. My fuel savings went out the exhaust with lower mileage. Never again. It is not worth it. Not only is Ethanol not that much cheaper here in Minnesota, but it would have to be $1.00 or more less per gallon to account for the miles per gallon lost.
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2014 1:17:13 PM

no thanks.
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TreadingWater
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2014 6:32:14 PM

Just filled up today with E85 for the first time.

87 is at $3.94/gallon and E85 is $2.94/gallon. At that ratio, the test is worth trying.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2014 12:52:27 PM

My F-150 had about a 1/12 to 2 Mpg decrease with E85, but now I see less of a decrease if I mix about half and half.
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mrhatandcoat
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2014 2:13:09 AM

nope
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 31, 2014 5:32:01 AM

"goldseeker, how does one convert a car? "

Very simple. There are two ways that I know of. One you can buy a plug in flex tune module. Or you can install larger injectors and have the onboard computer reset.
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waynef415
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Message Posted: May 30, 2014 10:43:52 PM

We have an FFV Ford Escape and love having the option of switching if the opportunity arises. We have only noticed a slight decrease in mileage.
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barryo62
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Message Posted: May 30, 2014 9:20:04 AM

mojo803 please share all your good corn recipes.
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Pitbull1
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Message Posted: May 30, 2014 8:59:09 AM

Me too. Love flex fuel vehicles. Nice to have options. When we get those gas price swings, E85 is usually the last product to go up in price.
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18andLife
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Message Posted: May 29, 2014 8:43:03 PM

"Actually any care can easily be converted to flex fuel.

I use up to E30 in all my cars and have never had an issue."

goldseeker, how does one convert a car? If higher blends are becoming mandatory, I want my car to be ready and able to handle the changes. I drive a 1998 Subaru Forester non-turbo 2.5L if that helps. Subaru officially says not to use over E10 unless it is a FFV. (Flex-Fuel Vehicle)
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18andLife
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Message Posted: May 29, 2014 8:38:38 PM

"I frequently see Subarus there. I have talked with many soob owners over the years and they LOVE E-85."

Hannie59, I wonder why Subaru doesn't want people using E15 in their cars. Strange. I drive a 1998 Forester and I am concerned enough not to buy over E10, but I have heard of conversions to E85 or E100 too. I probably have run E15 or more without knowing it from overblending or phase separation. I am not concerned about fuel lines or the cleaning effects, just on leaning out a stock engine enough to cause damage. I love my Subie and I don't want to hurt it!
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mpsan
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:13:01 AM

NOT ME
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el_fr
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:06:57 AM

Not me
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mojo803
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:58:27 AM

Corn is for eating and drinking...not good for cars
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lyons681
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:50:46 AM

In my area there is only one station selling flex fuel, with that limitation, why would I want a flex fuel vehicle.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 3:34:06 AM

I have used up to E20 in my Focus on a regular basis and no decrease in mileage.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2014 2:32:26 AM

Actually any care can easily be converted to flex fuel.

I use up to E30 in all my cars and have never had an issue.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 11:52:29 PM

In a pinch, you can use E85 in your Jeep Wrangler. If you have a yellow gas cap, you can use E85 all the time.
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46chief
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2014 2:10:40 PM

Might be cheaper but your gas mileage took a hit.
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gasmachine13
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 11:43:22 AM

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arthur1957
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 11:21:44 AM

I have a Tahoe that can run E85. But you get 20% less mileage from it. I used it for a short time after Katrina. That was the first time I saw gas go over $3. I was buying E85 for $1.69. In the last couple years, E85 has been only 40-50 cents a gallon less that E15, so it is more expensive to use given the drop in fuel economy.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:38:36 AM

"The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!"

That seems to be a problem in a lot of areas...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:33:05 AM

rando991 wrote: "The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!"

Maybe be in your area, but not in mine.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:29:50 AM

The only problem is E85 is recently been more expensive than regular and that's only for 15% gasoline!
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:47:45 AM

I don't have one, but I topped off with e85 yesterday which brought my overall mix up to e25 and it ran great with no noticeable difference in mileage.
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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:26:17 AM

Im good with my diesel Jetta at 50 mpg
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SoldiersTrack
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 9:40:27 PM

Well reading all this makes me be at least be happy to be in Tampa area, since we have Thorntons here and they have E-85 always like .50cents less than regular gasoline. Too bad that WaWa don't have E-85 because in Orlando will be a killer since they are the more gas station that you see there. I drive a Toyota Prius and it love the E-85. I did got a little less MPG but for that price who cares?
Besides another solution will be using fuel perks that WinnDixie offer here and sometimes your price per gallon will drop to almost nothing if you have enough accumulated, too bad it only give 20 gallons that way but still I fill my Prius that is only 10 Gallons, and then the rest for my wife that have a Buick LeSabre.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 6:41:52 PM

I am currently driving at 1.5-2 cents / mile less than gasohol cost.
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