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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:20:54 PM

Funny, the American Petroleum Institute bullies the AP for a fake "story" just as gas is at it's lowest in quite some time, and just as E-85 had it's best year in sales ever, with FFV usage at an all time high. Do a fact check they got ALOT wrong. Not coincidentally either.

Always an excuse to raise prices.... "Refining problems" "world events" "speculation"... ahhh but here comes ethanol. A clean fuel that can go in many cars... keeping petroleum down as it's grip loosens on you and society and BAM a crock from the AP and API.

Horse hockey from the petroleum industry, playing the American Consumer. I hope you enjoy it.

Better yet, I hope you use ethanol as much as possible and show them they can't get away with it any more.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/12/2013 9:23:54 PM EST]
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 1:33:17 PM

"Because of the E-10m Mandate, Gas is still over $4.00 in California in most places."

That's the excuse now. But, Californian has always had some of the highest fuel prices in the country. What was the excuse before ethanol?
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borsht
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:40:31 PM

Because of the E-10m Mandate, Gas is still over $4.00 in California in most places.
The Chevron Station about 1 mile from my home is 4.29 for reg, 4.39 for mid, and 4.49 for prem.

They must raise prices in the west because of the mandate to blend ethanol; and its supply is limited by the limited amount of ethanol that gets into the state. Without the mandate we would be back to the good old days when the supply was only limited by refinery shut downs. Now they can't even get running at capacity.

My take is that the oil companies like this arrangement. It can't be fixed and they can sit back an enjoy the margins.

We are being played it seems. Both win, Big Oil and Bid Corn.

[Edited by: borsht at 8/23/2014 12:44:37 PM EST]
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:58:13 AM

dunno about your area but i'm seeing under $3.00 per gallon of E10

that was in 2011
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borsht
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 3:22:08 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/08/11/russia-ships-coal-to-america-despite-sanctions/?ss=energy

The Doric Victory, a huge transport ship the length of two football fields, just sailed 4,000 miles to deliver over 40,000 tons of Russian coal to the Schiller Station coal-fired power plant in New Hampshire.
railroad bottlenecks and other transportation difficulties, due to:
- increase in oil and ethanol transport by rail,
- sudden and unexpected increases in electricity demand from unusually cold weather,
- oversupply of global coal and decreased coal prices outside the U.S.,While Obama is screwing our coal industry. The EPA is forcing the rails to carry ethanol all over the country.

And they used to joke in England about carrying coal to new Castle.

The U.S. has the largest supply of coal in the world.
So now, the easiest way to get coal to New Hampshire is to ship it From Russia,

wow and we are attempting to place economic sanctions upon Russia. Government is growing stupider every day.


[Edited by: borsht at 8/19/2014 3:24:48 AM EST]
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badbobKY
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 11:17:25 AM

now informed
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 8:49:53 AM

"The federal mandate led to a rapid expansion of corn production, which consumed land farmers had set aside for conservation and damaged habitat."

That's nonsense. The FSA and EPA will not allow farming on environmentally sensitive land. That would be a minimum $10,000 and $500 a day fine for farming on environmentally sensitive land.

"Growers made increasing use of fertilizers that seeped into the water supply, creating environmental hazards that required costly cleanup."

More babble. fertilizer administration is controlled and monitored by the EPA.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 4:33:36 PM

I agree with that headline statement. Not the text of the post.

We are being played by the ethanol producers.

The ethanol mandate is loaded with problems. A big one, is that it limits the supply of gasoline in the west and especially California, Since essentially all the gasoline sold for automobiles is 10% ethanol by mandate and insufficient ethanol is arriving for blending.

Other problems cited:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ethanol-594005-corn-mandate.html

"But the rush to corn ethanol was a triumph of special-interest politics over practical policy. Corn ethanol has hardly been an environmental boon to the nation, as an Associated Press report last month revealed. The federal mandate led to a rapid expansion of corn production, which consumed land farmers had set aside for conservation and damaged habitat. Growers made increasing use of fertilizers that seeped into the water supply, creating environmental hazards that required costly cleanup. And ethanol in gasoline can actually add to air pollution under certain weather patterns – such as those often found in Southern California, which already struggles to meet clean-air standards."

[Edited by: borsht at 8/14/2014 4:36:10 PM EST]
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 2:12:52 PM

"Bring on the E100". "E-85 had it's best year in sales ever".

Okay, we can't deliver 10% ethanol blends year round to all US markets and had to stop sales of fuel in many areas of the nation this winter for a lack of ethanol and we are supposed to get to 100% ethanol? Please explain.

E-85 sales had it's best year and yet it still amounted to less that 1/2 of a percent of total fuel sales in America. I ask again where is all the ethanol supposed to come from and better yet get to all the places where fuel is needed if it cannot even manage to reliably provide 10% of the nations fuel today?

Please explain.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 1:39:40 PM

Are Ethanol Mandates and RIN’s a new Enron?
Some excerps from w WSJ article; Are we being scammed by the ethanol producers?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304512504579491750362682742

Every gallon of ethanol is assigned a 38-digit "renewable identification number," or RIN, which oil refiners, blenders and importers can buy or trade to comply with the quotas. Because the EPA registers RIN generators but conducts no due diligence about their legitimacy, crooks have discovered that they can sell fake RINs that are unconnected to an underlying batch of ethanol.

In January two Las Vegas men were indicted by federal prosecutors on 57 wire fraud, conspiracy, money laundering and other counts in a $37 million scheme. They claimed to be importing Canadian biodiesel made from vegetable oil that never existed. Last September the feds broke up an Indiana ring that stole $100 million and that the U.S. attorney called "the largest tax and securities fraud scheme in Indiana history." The list of accused is long.

In January 2013, the EPA moved to create a quality control program, but not out of concern for the refiners that must pass the costs of these thefts on to consumers at the pump. The EPA maintains a "buyer beware" rule that punishes the victims of RIN fraud with fines even if they acted in good faith.
Rather, the EPA wants to prop up the larger multibillion-dollar RINs industry. As the agency explained in the Federal Register, fraud was undermining the ethanol mandate—some gallons were going unsold—and to defend their business refiners "limit their RIN-related business relationships to those parties that they are confident are generating valid RINs."
The EPA is worried this harms smaller producers.
In a memo to the White House, the National Biodiesel Board (the companion of the corn ethanol lobby) writes that the quality program will lead to "an overall reduction in mandated volumes" and "impose substantial burdens on not-at-fault producers." In other words, Big Ethanol thinks criminal scammers are a price worth paying so the government-backed industry can continue to profit.

[Edited by: borsht at 7/22/2014 1:40:24 PM EST]
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 3:03:45 PM

And now the EPA is proposing less ethanol usage.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 12:29:12 PM

TomB2, no coincidence there.
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 11:35:20 AM

And now the EPA is proposing less ethanol useage.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 5:36:08 AM

"No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will."

So? I don't like feta cheese!
But my car runs better on E10 than on feta cheese, and my engine runs cleaner on E10 than feta, and the engine and fuel system are a lot cleaner on E10 than E0.
And I don't try to stop you or anybody from eating feta.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:12:29 AM

"No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will."

This is the "No vegetables, just Pizza Rolls for supper" mentality. People with this mentality become diabetic and unhappy, for lack of foresight and teachability.
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:07:37 AM

No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:22:08 AM

Funny that agriculture has become the enemy.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:20:46 AM

The consuming public is always being played....but we are responsible for being played too...get informed.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:33:46 AM

Bring on the E100.
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