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Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:20:54 PM

Funny, the American Petroleum Institute bullies the AP for a fake "story" just as gas is at it's lowest in quite some time, and just as E-85 had it's best year in sales ever, with FFV usage at an all time high. Do a fact check they got ALOT wrong. Not coincidentally either.

Always an excuse to raise prices.... "Refining problems" "world events" "speculation"... ahhh but here comes ethanol. A clean fuel that can go in many cars... keeping petroleum down as it's grip loosens on you and society and BAM a crock from the AP and API.

Horse hockey from the petroleum industry, playing the American Consumer. I hope you enjoy it.

Better yet, I hope you use ethanol as much as possible and show them they can't get away with it any more.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/12/2013 9:23:54 PM EST]
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Champion Author Houston

Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 2:12:52 PM

"Bring on the E100". "E-85 had it's best year in sales ever".

Okay, we can't deliver 10% ethanol blends year round to all US markets and had to stop sales of fuel in many areas of the nation this winter for a lack of ethanol and we are supposed to get to 100% ethanol? Please explain.

E-85 sales had it's best year and yet it still amounted to less that 1/2 of a percent of total fuel sales in America. I ask again where is all the ethanol supposed to come from and better yet get to all the places where fuel is needed if it cannot even manage to reliably provide 10% of the nations fuel today?

Please explain.
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Champion Author Oakland

Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 1:39:40 PM

Are Ethanol Mandates and RIN’s a new Enron?
Some excerps from w WSJ article; Are we being scammed by the ethanol producers?

Every gallon of ethanol is assigned a 38-digit "renewable identification number," or RIN, which oil refiners, blenders and importers can buy or trade to comply with the quotas. Because the EPA registers RIN generators but conducts no due diligence about their legitimacy, crooks have discovered that they can sell fake RINs that are unconnected to an underlying batch of ethanol.

In January two Las Vegas men were indicted by federal prosecutors on 57 wire fraud, conspiracy, money laundering and other counts in a $37 million scheme. They claimed to be importing Canadian biodiesel made from vegetable oil that never existed. Last September the feds broke up an Indiana ring that stole $100 million and that the U.S. attorney called "the largest tax and securities fraud scheme in Indiana history." The list of accused is long.

In January 2013, the EPA moved to create a quality control program, but not out of concern for the refiners that must pass the costs of these thefts on to consumers at the pump. The EPA maintains a "buyer beware" rule that punishes the victims of RIN fraud with fines even if they acted in good faith.
Rather, the EPA wants to prop up the larger multibillion-dollar RINs industry. As the agency explained in the Federal Register, fraud was undermining the ethanol mandate—some gallons were going unsold—and to defend their business refiners "limit their RIN-related business relationships to those parties that they are confident are generating valid RINs."
The EPA is worried this harms smaller producers.
In a memo to the White House, the National Biodiesel Board (the companion of the corn ethanol lobby) writes that the quality program will lead to "an overall reduction in mandated volumes" and "impose substantial burdens on not-at-fault producers." In other words, Big Ethanol thinks criminal scammers are a price worth paying so the government-backed industry can continue to profit.

[Edited by: borsht at 7/22/2014 1:40:24 PM EST]
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Champion Author Toledo

Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 3:03:45 PM

And now the EPA is proposing less ethanol usage.
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Champion Author Twin Cities

Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 12:29:12 PM

TomB2, no coincidence there.
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Champion Author St. Louis

Joined:Jul 2013
Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 11:35:20 AM

And now the EPA is proposing less ethanol useage.
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Champion Author Winnipeg

Joined:Oct 2002
Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 5:36:08 AM

"No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will."

So? I don't like feta cheese!
But my car runs better on E10 than on feta cheese, and my engine runs cleaner on E10 than feta, and the engine and fuel system are a lot cleaner on E10 than E0.
And I don't try to stop you or anybody from eating feta.
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Veteran Author Gasbuddy

Joined:May 2013
Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:12:29 AM

"No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will."

This is the "No vegetables, just Pizza Rolls for supper" mentality. People with this mentality become diabetic and unhappy, for lack of foresight and teachability.
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Champion Author Lexington

Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 10:07:37 AM

No matter what anyone says, I don't like ethanol, never did, never will.
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Veteran Author Gasbuddy

Joined:May 2013
Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:22:08 AM

Funny that agriculture has become the enemy.
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Champion Author Manitoba

Joined:May 2012
Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:20:46 AM

The consuming public is always being played....but we are responsible for being played too...get informed.
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Champion Author West Virginia

Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:33:46 AM

Bring on the E100.
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