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CactusBobs

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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:05:01 PM

Canada : Is there Ethanol added to your gasoline ?

Is the cost of E10 more or less than E0 ?

How about E85 ? Do you have it ? What does it cost ?

Does your area have a requirement to add Ethanol ?


[Edited by: CactusBobs at 11/7/2013 10:06:51 PM EST]
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nickless
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2014 12:34:36 AM

The only way to purchase Ethanol free gasoline here is to buy premium grade gas.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2013 11:25:34 AM

BioFuelNet Canada site....

Biofuel is mandated at a much lower content and varies by province...Link provided for Canada Bio Fuel information...


Appears as though most of Ethanol that actually is produced is from Corn and Wheat....

Also appears as though imports are needed since Canada can not meet demands for ethanol.

Canada imposes tariffs of 5 cents per litre for imports, but that excludes US because of Nafta...

I don't think there is a requirement to use the link feature of gasbuddy...
But it is advisable to backup information with reliable sources...

"3. Back up your arguments with facts. Where possible, facts should be supported by a link to a respected Internet source."



[Edited by: reb4 at 12/23/2013 11:25:23 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 7:58:03 PM

I just checked out your non-links, you really should learn to post a URL as a link, it is pretty straight-forward.

There are several inaccuracies in that 5 year old article.
The original Lloydminster plant opened in 1981, not 2006, and originally used waste wheat almost exclusively. "western Canada's growing industry is turning to wheat as the primary feedstock" is ridiculous, it isn't turning to it, it was always there!
With another plant now operating in Minnedosa, wheat is STILL the first choice of Husky, corn is one of the grains used to fill out the mix.
Other parts of Canada are, indeed, using a different mix, but out western Canadian ethanol has always favoured wheat. Check out the Husky website for the facts.

Now it is true Alberta is short on ethanol production, 1 new plant is under construction, it will process wheat, and another proposed plant will process wood.

And so what if Canada imports some US ethanol? The US imports gazillions of barrels of Canadian oil.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 12/21/2013 7:59:29 PM EST]
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borsht
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 6:29:08 PM

All things considered, IMHO Ethanol madates are bad policy.

http://www.producer.com/2013/05/u-s-corn-making-much-of-canadas-ethanol-2/
to meet the ethanol mandates in Canada, they need to import a significant amount of ethanol from the U.S.

Western Canada is pushing to get wheat into the mix to meet mandates.
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/articles/3624/move-over-corn-wheat's-king-in-western-canada
But the main problem remains the same. The cost of the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) hurts businesses and consumers as ethanol production drives up food prices, higher-ethanol blend fuels get less mileage than conventional gasoline and higher blends can damage to engines both large and small.

It is extremely unpopular with historical vehicle owners.
http://www.historicvehicle.org/~/media/Files/HVA/Media%20Center%20Files/Ethanol%20Information/PDF/Ethanol_FAQ_Flyer.ashx
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 10:35:19 PM

borsht, much of the ethanol made in western Canada is made from waste and feed grade wheat, and has been since 1981! Husky Canada is western Canada's largest supplier of ethanol, and has been since the original Mohawk facility (Mohawk is part of Husky).
From the Husky website:
Our "Mother Nature's Fuel" is made from renewable resources such as wheat and corn. Husky mainly purchases feed-grade wheat from local producers because it has a higher starch component than food-grade wheat.

And we have also always grown corn, we have several regions famous for very high quality eating corn. They have been for many years and that hasn't changed.
In Alberta, Taber is famous for fine corn, and it is celebrated with the "Taber Cornfest" every year.
In Manitoba, Morden is famous for fine corn, and it is celebrated with the "Morden Corn and Apple Festival" every year.
Saskatchewan has a tremendous number of u-pick farms, including corn, and has corn maze sites on farms all over the province.
None of that corn has anything to do with ethanol. As a matter of fact, corn is the last on the list of several crops used for ethanol by Husky.
We have no shortage of wheat, and no shortage of corn.
Canada is still an exporter of corn, and 2012 was the largest corn export year tracked since 1960. 2013 is the 3rd largest corn export year tracked since 1960.
Canada still a major exporter of wheat, 2013 is the 2nd largest export year for whest, the largest was 1997.

It always pays to check the facts.


[Edited by: rumbleseat at 12/20/2013 10:35:56 PM EST]
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borsht
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 12:21:26 PM

More food issues.
As Canada ramps up its ethanol use, the great wheat fields will be converted to corn for ethanol.
Canadian farmers in the prairie provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta, long one of the greatest wheat-growing regions on earth, have started planting corn.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 10:15:35 AM

Canada has a Renewable Fuels Standard, requiring 5% ethanol in gasoline since December 15, 2010. Some provinces require higher content, like Saskatchewan (7.5%) and Manitoba (8.5%).

BMWer, check the pumps and you should see a sticker like the ones on the pumps in the US that say "May contain up to 10% ethanol".

I travel quite a bit and I don't recall ever seeing an E85 pump in Canada. I have seen many FFVs in Canada and wonder if they have ever used E85.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 3:21:56 AM

We had E10 available since 1981.
In Manitoba, every regular pump is E10 now, and every mid-grade pump is E5 for almost 6 years now, so we have no cost difference figures.
I believe we have 4 stations that sell E85.
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BMWer
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 1:51:21 AM

I think only Husky is the only oil company that adds ethanol to their gas. I have not seen E85 in Western Canada.
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