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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 9:17:41 PM

Be Prepared - The Associated Press is about to launch a series that was bought and paid for by the petroleum industry now that ethanol has sold well this year.

We don't dare mess with Oil Almighty. They'll just buy the "news".

And people like you will believe it all so that you can continue to be under their control.

Just wait...

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/5/2013 9:18:20 PM EST]
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:45:03 AM

Hannie59,
You have no idea about what I do and don't support. I do support alterative energy sources period. Don't really care what you think. Your problem is you have such a hatred for big oil that you are willing to accept anything to "undo" the monopoly you continually claim that they have. Understand this, any stronghold they have on the industry was granted them by the consumer. Consummers chose to buy their product.

I support alternative fuels, within reason. You on the other hand want to change for the sake of change, even if the cure is worse that the disease.

You are basically saying by claiming that every thing in the article is a lie that corn growth does no harm, and that any point raised is a lie. Well I don't think that way, never have, never will. I will read everything and use personal knowledge, common sense, and my own research to pick the truths from everything I read. Because I completely understand that there is some truth in almost every piece of drivel written by either side in this debate.

You on the other hand would readily accept that the world is flat if your leaders at the RFA claimed it was so in order to sell more corn.

Sorry I can't get behind anything to the extent of checking my brain at the door. Others may, but I won't drink any ones Koolaide.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:31:04 AM

Flexible fuel technology, which allows any ratio of fuels to be used, mixed, and whatever, has been around for 100 years. There is NO reason and NO justification that regardless of the car you wish to drive that it sholud not be available on every car. Those who claim neutrality cannot possibly oppose fuel choices.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/14/2013 9:31:26 AM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:06:57 AM

brerrabbitTX, facts are truth. Fact checks are just that. Petroleum continues to be proven wrong time and again. And forgive me if I am skeptical of your statement that you are all in favor of renewable fuels. Seems to me you may be someday, but not until the last drop of crude is extracted and burned. And certainly I don't believe you as long as there is a monopoly on our fuel system. I mean not to speak for you sir, but base my statement on your posts, which vehemently defend the current petroleum monopoly and control over the years. Monopolies cannot be justified. Gasoline needs to compete on its own merit and not maintain its monopoly by lying about the alternatives with their huge money.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/14/2013 9:10:41 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 1:01:01 AM

That AP article was such an obvious diatribe it wasn't worth the time to respond.

Chewing up wetlands! If that wasn't a dead giveaway.

Hey look! I'm for flex fuel cars and letting the market pull production. But let's face it! If that corn were being sent to feed starving people in India, AP wouldn't be reporting about how "evil" it is.

These articles aren't "news". They are Big Oil pushing their agenda. If anything, the AP articles prove that Big Oil is in a panic about alcohol fuels and flex fuel cars that can use them.
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:37:26 PM

Fact checking by a group with a dog in the hunt is not fact checking, it's called talking your game. I no more believe your groups fact checking that you would believe the API fact checking an article.

Most of the points stand up to the scrutiny and the ABC piece explains a lot of the situation as well.

I am all for renewable fuels but have and continue to question the fact that corn ethanol is the best and only ethanol. It has it's downside.

I say follow the money to know who is driving the boat. The corn lobby is paying for the lobbying and disputing the article. These are the same people who while telling us all corn squeezings need to be put in gas all over the country continue to strongly support a 30% market share in Iowa, Nebraska, and South Dakota for clear (NO ETHANOL IN IT) gas. Even though the price of that gas has increased 30 cents a gallon.

Yes that's right folks, 30% of the total amount of gasoline sold in the corn growing region of the US has no ethanol in it. And the vast majority of that is sold away from the major city markets. In otherwords the farmers, ranchers, and corn growers who want the whole country to use ethanol, does not use it themselves. Hypocrasy lives on both sides of this debate.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:25:14 PM

Fact check on the Associated Press oil company commercial disguised as investigative journalism.

Please get your facts straight, AP
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 3:39:42 PM

This is the ABC article they are referencing too.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 2:59:01 PM

I am not a huge fan of the current administration.

But brerrabbitTX, which administration moved forward with the RFS? And ethanol productions ramp up began in the previous one... President Bush.

Basic science. Drilling petroleum out of the ground where it is inert, refining it and burning it releases HOW MUCH CO2????? Planting corn is worse??? The corn takes it in! Drilling for and burning oil only releases it.

It's a stretch and propaganda all the way deliberate deception to skew the truth.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/12/2013 2:58:54 PM EST]
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 2:58:08 PM

Article summary: Ethanol is imperfect so we should get rid of it and rely 100% on crude oil because we always have.
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 2:38:23 PM

The premise of the article was that the green strategy of the current administration is not so green. The economics of corn ethanol has resulted in 5 million acres of grassland and virgin prarie being plowed into corn thus causing additional Co2 being released into the atmosphere. Also a lot of the land pressed into corn growing is not suited for it and there is a lot of erosion going on.Okay nevermind all that, I don't really want to go down the road of debating every fine point of the article. Suffice it to say it raises numerous issues that warrent consideration regardless of which side of the issue you currently find yourself on. It asks the right questions and points out that there are even environmenntal groups who are questioning the current corn based ethanol strategy, not just oil companies.

Again everyone needs to read it with an open mind instead of preconcieved ideas.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 11:40:43 AM

Well brerrabbitTX, add me to the list who are hoping for a more diverse set of ethanol feedstocks.

Corn is currently the most cost effective. If we move away from that fine, but moving away from alcohol based biofuel and specefically ethyl alcohol is a bad move. It is pure as sunshine. Petroleum energy is a toxic cess pool.

You stated that the article is more about corn...your API bussied could care less if it's corn, they want all biofuel that they don't control gone.
They want it gone!

We have GOT to stop the monopoly of petroleum. And don't think you can gloss over the fact that this is an ad for oil, more of the same. And don't think it wasn't written solely because E-85 is selling like crazy right now, and the American Petroleum Institute has had enough of ethanol's successes.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 11/12/2013 11:46:34 AM EST]
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 10:39:37 AM

Read the article and I do not agree with any of the comments here about it. I really think everyone needs to read it and decide for themselves. It quotes a lot of people and really presents the topic from a standpoint of people including many who are big ethanol supporters, questioning if corn ethanol is the best way to proceed. I did not read it as a kill ethanol article at all but as a article that questions whether it should be all corn ethanol.

I have asked that very question here and received mixed answers. Some who said they did not care where the ethanol came from, while others said it should be from corn. The article is not nearly as bias as it has been accused of.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 9:35:42 AM

Correct Darwin. It does not even resemble investigative journalism. The Associated Press sold the American Petroleim Institute an advertisement. Pure and simple.
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 9:30:59 AM

I saw the first article. It was accidentally released, then pulled back, then released again with changes, and then went through a second round of changes. Maybe they'll just keep tweaking it as they go. Poorly researched (it incorrectly listed the state of Senator Tom Daschle as Iowa), poorly written (not objective; not logical; typos and grammar problems), and poorly conceived (it only compares biofuel with fantasy, not biofuel with fossil fuel). Unfortunately, it plays into the hands of the oil companies so naturally it will get a lot of coverage.

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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 3:23:22 AM

Figures.
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