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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 2:53:19 PM

Since you lose only about 15% mileage with E-85 over E-10, your cost per mile will go way down if you have a flex fuel vehicle and use E-85 and the spread is that high.

For those of you who are still believeing the lie, this is not to be confused with mileage loss relating to E-0 over E-10, which is only 2% if even that.

So if you are fortunate enough to have a choice in fuel because you have a Flex Fuel Vehicle, gradually up the amount of E-85 at every fill up untill you're running full E-85 pure and clean.. Your engine will last longer and you'll save money. You will pollute less and breathe cleaner air. You will help the American economy and reduce dependence on foriegn oil.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 10/21/2013 2:56:09 PM EST]
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 6:57:18 PM

"The price spread could be $1.00."

E85 *should* be no more than 2/3rds the price of E10 for equivalent $/mile.

Around here its $3.159 to $2.759. E85 costs way too much. Should be no more than $2.109, and thats only for break even. If you want ethanol converts then you have to compete, give more, not less.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 2:48:26 AM

The price spread could be $1.00.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 9:29:44 AM

Gas, what I am saying is this:

All other factors being equal, there IS a 2% mileage loss with E-10 over "pure" gas and a 15% loss with E-85 over E-10. And duplicating exact driving conditions day over day is almost impossible. Even wind speed makes a difference in mileage day to day, not to mention a bunch of other factors.

This is a fact. You read all the claims from zealots around here and they claim that 10% ethanol = 10% mileage loss. LMAO if that were true then the ethanol would be the same as adding something that doesn't burn. LOL what a crock! It's 2% with E-10 and 15% loss with E-85.

Given that a price spread of 3% like cheapmonkee says... then E-85 would not be economically advantageous to the end user. But at a price spread over 20% it's a no brainer. E-85 is much cheaper per mile driven. And for those who believe E-0 is more economical then E-10... well that's only true if it;'s basically the same price. Add a dime per gallon and you're better off with E-10, and so is your engine.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 3:26:03 AM

If it was not for the constant pressure coming from oil companies the spread would be even greater.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 10:22:27 PM

If the price of E85 is 85% of the price of regular 87 Octane, the price is roughly equal. However, since E85 is 105 Octane, one could rationalize that the price "spread" should be against premium blends.

In the end, I make every effort to buy E85 because we have lots of distilleries in my neck of the woods and the money stays in our community. If the price of E85 rises over 90% of regular 87 Octane, I start buying the regular blend.

Hannie59, if someone has a flex fuel car, they can just pump as much E85 as they want on any fill-up. I think my owners' manual says to pump a minimum of 5 gallons of any particular fuel; not to gradually add one or the other.

I wish the EPA would let us use methanol. Methanol is dirt cheap and will run in any flex fuel car with some minor modifications in gasketing.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 6:26:38 PM

I'm confused about the original post

You wrote, Hannie59:
"Since you lose only about 15% mileage with E-85 over E-10, your cost per mile will go way down if you have a flex fuel vehicle and use E-85 and the spread is that high." and then "For those of you who are still believeing the lie, this is not to be confused with mileage loss relating to E-0 over E-10, which is only 2% if even that."

Which "lie" are you talking about?

You're saying that, despite evidence to the contrary (which I assume is the "lie" you're referring to), that there is virtually no miles per gallon difference between non-ethanol gasoline and E-10 fuel?

If you're saying that there's a 2 percent difference between the fuels ("...if even that", if a vehicle gets 50 miles per gallon, you're only talking a 1 mile per gallon difference ("...if even that"). That means that, essentially, there's no difference between using non-ethanol fuel and using E-10. Where do you get your information from? The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) figures are 3 to 4 percent per gallon.

As for "your cost per mile will go way down...", first you're suggesting that people buy a flex vehicle and if "the spread is that high." What you're not saying is "if the spread is NOT that high". In some places E-85 is higher priced than gasoline, and in some places it's lower priced. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but if the price spread is about 18 percent, and the mileage loss is about 15 percent (regardless where you got your figures from), isn't that closer to being a wash (i.e., pretty balanced) rather than indicating cost per mile being "way down"?

Sorry, but can you show how you came to your conclusion?
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cheapmonkee
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 4:15:12 PM

The price spread between available e85 and the cheapest e10 in my town is about 3%
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