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CORNHICK

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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 12:23:53 AM

so why did they start putting this crap in gas like it is in all grades in some places. anyone have any clues?
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blk911
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2014 2:45:29 AM

Liberals on Cleaner Air Idiots
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RS101
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2014 3:31:38 PM

ok
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 6:16:44 PM

yeah I use it in my car I just try not to use it in my small motors
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 10:13:25 AM

10 percent is okay for cleaner air, but any more than that is a waste.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2013 1:14:44 AM

ok rumbleseat sory geesh Merry Christmas
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RS101
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2013 6:45:44 AM

Related to the sale of corn.
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DLL66
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2013 5:06:26 AM

I drive my truck about 2-3 times a month and never had a problem with the gas going bad.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2013 12:44:17 AM

"ok well maybe you should read up"

No maybe you need to stop implying that the REAL WORLD experiences of those of us that have been using E10 since 1981 are fabrications.
I have had no vehicle damage in vehicles as old as 1974, nobody in my family has, and nobody that I know has.
The shops haven't been full of vehicles with damage from ethanol, and every single regular pump in the province is E10. Every single mid-grade pump in the province is E5.
That is REAL WORLD, not magazine articles by fear-mongers quoting "studies" paid for by oil companies.
The sky hasn't fallen, the sky isn't falling, and the sky won't fall.
You don't like it, no skin off my back.
You want to put more chemicals in YOUR tank, you really think it is necessary, buy your own Stabil, I don't need it polluting my fuel unless I decide to hedge my bets on a vehicle I put into storage.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 10:44:17 PM

ok well maybe you should read up and I think it isn't as good of quality cause ethanol attracts water so if you don't believe me just do some research.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 3:40:37 AM

"ethanol gas goes bad in 30 days" A false statement as I have had ethanol fuels set for over a year and my car or small engine starts every time.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 1:26:48 AM

"some people don't burn a whole tank of gas in 30 days"

And if they are concerned they can buy their own darn Stabil.
It doesn't really go bad in 30 days, and Stabil would be a total waste of money for 99% of the drivers on the road.
I have been using E10 in various vehicles since 1981, never once used Stabil, even in my old van that I would park ALL WINTER.

Putting it in all the fuel sold would make a LOT of money for Gold Eagle!
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 12:16:26 AM

some people don't burn a whole tank of gas in 30 days and ethanol gas goes bad in 30 days and they lowered the octane rating from 89 to 87 and it all has ethanol in it quit supporting the oil companies.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 3:39:50 AM

"I forgot to mention I mean I wish the oil companies would add stabil for free in our ethanol laced fuel but that would never happen they are to greedy."

What possible reason would oil companies have to add Stabil, and what possible reason would we want more chemicals added to the fuels we use in our daily driver cars?
Sorry, but it makes no sense. If you store fuel for more than 30 days, buy your own Stabil. If you use it in Jet-skis or snowmobiles, buy your own Stabil. If you put it in your car and drive, there is absolutely no reason to add Stabil.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 3:19:25 AM

I forgot to mention I mean I wish the oil companies would add stabil for free in our ethanol laced fuel but that would never happen they are to greedy.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2013 5:22:04 PM

I fill up and drive, I never have gas sitting in the tank for more than a few days, what possible reason would I have for wanting ANOTHER chemical mixture added to my fuel? Check the website, you can't even find out what chemicals are in stabil the mixture is a highly guarded trade secret.
Stabil is really only needed for automobiles going into storage or sitting for some time.
You want to add it at each fill for your boat, snowmobile, or other seasonal equipment, you are free to do so, it is a good idea, and there is a different formula for that, but I don't want to be paying to have it added to the fuel for my daily driver.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2013 3:59:15 PM

if the gas companies would pre-mix stabil in with the 10% ethanol blends and people tested it to make sure it had stabil in it I wouldn't mind using it but the price better be the same. The damn oil companies make enough money they could do us this favor if they weren't a bunch of cheapskates.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2013 2:03:46 AM

Some smart guys thought this would keep prices low by diluting it with food.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 8:26:53 AM

"Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 9:03:45 PM Ignore RS101 Report Abuse
All about the corn."

Do you care? What it's about is incremental domestic energy production. More ethanol, domestic oil, coal, nuclear means lower fuel cost for you. When we all have lower fuel cost, every thing you buy costs less.
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RS101
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 10:03:45 PM

All about the corn.
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Camry05
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 6:18:19 AM

rumbleseat .... touche
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 7:24:39 PM

yea ethanol is ok not sure but i think as long as you use it within 2 weeks it shouldn't phase separate cus Im not paying no 20c more per gallon to not buy it because that is ridiculous
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 9:22:50 AM

Only 3% of U.S. corn is eaten by humans.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 10:37:14 AM

"I think some really think that ethanol is a way of moving toward self-sufficiency in America....silly and wasteful...corn is for food. "

Noble thought, but corn has been used for feed, food, beverage, drugs, chemicals, and fuel for hundreds of years. The flaw in your theory is that the US is a surplus producer of corn. Has been for decades. The reason for this is farms are no different than a factory. If demand for product increases, farmers take steps to increase production.

In reality, when corn is processed into ethanol, two products are made. Ethanol and animal feed in equal quantities. The demand for ethanol has actually increased the animal feed supply.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 10:16:48 AM

I think some really think that ethanol is a way of moving toward self-sufficiency in America....silly and wasteful...corn is for food.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 8:14:45 AM

"I believe it is the 10 % ethanol in the gasoline that is costing me money to replace gas lines, gas tank connections and the rubber cups used to prime my small engines. It is getting to be a pain in the arse!!!!"

Then you should be talking to your parts supplier who is robbing you blind by selling you garbage parts. They have had over 30 years to make compatible parts, if they haven't figured it out they are not reputable manufacturers.
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vaporlock13
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 7:32:39 AM

I believe it is the 10 % ethanol in the gasoline that is costing me money to replace gas lines, gas tank connections and the rubber cups used to prime my small engines. It is getting to be a pain in the arse!!!!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 3:52:24 AM

"Get rid of the crappy ethanol."

We have no crappy ethanol, only fine, drinking-quality ethanol. It is most unfortunate it is contaminated with horrible gasoline before being sold as motor fuel.
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kennyman
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 1:14:21 AM

Get rid of the crappy ethanol. send it to China or India.
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minookaband
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 9:47:49 PM

modern engines work fine
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dvkiran
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 10:00:40 PM

is minimal amount fine though
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 9:39:18 AM

I'm sorry but if e10 hurts your equipment then you need new equipment.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 1:56:13 AM

Premium fuel is needed for advanced timing and higher compression. Unless you have a Tim the Tool Man 100 hp string trimmer, using premium fuel will likely only make your trimmer run hotter and cost you more.
Read your manual.
There are SOME Stihl chain saws that require premium fuel, not all Stihl products.
Read your manual.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 12:06:40 AM

PhilnTX I was wondering if you think that if I can get premium unleaded without ethanol for 45c more per gallon would it be worth it versus using ethanol gas like the e10 stuff you were talking about ?
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PhilnTX
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2013 12:31:29 PM

Never use it in lawn mowers and string trimmers unless you drain it after every use.

These items aren't made like E85 capable car engines. Rubber hoses dissolve, aluminum carburetors corrode internally. (just paid $90 to repair a string trimmer run on E10 for 16 months. never again.)
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 1:38:34 PM

"Vegetables used to be widely grown around my area, until the ethanol mandate and the corn subsidies"
Computers used to be rare, very large, and extremely expensive, until the ethanol mandate and the corn subsidies. Using ShockLogic, we can thank the ethanol mandate and corn subsidies for this technological leap.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 12:33:18 PM

Einstein, most ag subsidies are inversely related to market demand. Increased demand for corn has decreased subsidies paid out by the USDA over the past decade. Get it straight. No price support this year and a quarter million fewer CRP acres.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 10:40:04 AM

"So don't fool yourself where food comes from is about the economics of it and not the fact that one crop is being favored over another"

I don't fool myself. Vegetables used to be widely grown around my area, until the ethanol mandate and the corn subsidies made it more profitable to grow corn rather then vegetables...
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 2:23:21 PM

I find it really funny when the discussion of ethanol spirals off down worm holes into these unknown places.

They put ethanol in gas to replace MTBE which is basically an oxiginate which to my limited understanding is something that allows gas to burn more thouroughly hence cleaner. That's what started it. A few folks were doing it even before then in Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa.

As far as the food thing goes, thats all blown out ou proportion. I grew up in Texas and what is grown is what is most profitable period end of sentence. Local produce? Yeah right. The majority of Texas produces rice, cotton, sorgum, and corn (mostly feed corn because we have a lot of cattle and hogs). Why do they grow those? Because they are widely used, easy to handle from seed to harvest with machinery, and basically have the largest demands. Vegitables for eating are manpower intensive and use much less automation and machinery and therefore much more expensive to grow and bring to market. They tend to be grown in cheaper labor areas which is why tons of it come from Mexico and parts of the US where the growing season is year round, and there is a large supply of cheap labor (mostly Mexican immigrants).

So don't fool yourself where food comes from is about the economics of it and not the fact that one crop is being favored over another.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 10:32:24 AM

When I was a kid, vegatables of all kinds were grown in fields in my area, and sold locally and canned commercially, with the fields rotated on a yearly basis.

Today, all you find is corn and soy beans...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/1/2013 10:34:37 AM EST]
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 10:16:23 AM

"The point is they are not grown in the summer, but are not, due to the reasons I've already given..."
They grow much better with all the fertilizer you are spreading...
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 9:53:14 AM

"The point is they are not grown in the summer, but are not, due to the reasons I've already given..."

Shocky's real point is the fabrication of BS to fit his propaganda. Vegetables crops are minor crops grown through out Mid West today just like in the 80's before corn ethanol.There is nothing what so ever to support the theory that eliminated corn ethanol mandate would create such wide spread growing of vegetables that they would only be grown locally even in the summer & would no longer be trucked in.In MN in 1990 there was about 20 vineyards today there are over 600 & more are being established each year.The point is that corn is not preventing other uses for land.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 9:06:07 AM

"none of those crops can be grown in winter"

Who claimed they could? The point is they are not grown in the summer, but are not, due to the reasons I've already given...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/1/2013 9:07:21 AM EST]
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 8:48:05 AM

Gee rumbleseat maybe you should reread what I quoted & who it was that originally wrote it before spouting off!Or is everything about this thread all about you? You actually proved shocky right about something for the first time in his life - "You need to take a reading comprehension course." The key words from the quote were "instead of corn in the SUMMER"
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sickhp
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:10:31 PM

Stop using food in our fuel.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:02:48 PM

I didn't prove your point, none of those crops can be grown in winter, and only a few can be stored long-term to allow for winter supply.
Lettuce, for example, we get fresh all summer, can't be stored for winter sales, but I guess you figure it is okay to live on potatoes all winter.

I think you never actually read the argumentative stuff you post, much of which defies logic.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:54:57 AM

Shockjock, do you post on this site, just to see if people actually believe you?
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forresj
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:16:22 AM

Enough with the ruffage. It's getting boring.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:03:00 AM

"Peak of the Market is a grower owned company handling over 120 varieties of Manitoba grown vegetables including asparagus, beets, russet potatoes, yukon gold potatoes, red potatoes, parsnips, cabbage, rutabagas, summer squash, winter squash, onions, lettuce, green peppers, broccoli, carrots, cucumbers, and cauliflower during the growing season, and some of those can be stored a long time."

There you go. If they can grow these food crops in the Great White north, then there is no reason they can't be grown in the US mid-west (thanks for proving my point for me rumbleseat). The only thing that keeps them from doing so is the mandated usage of ethanol and the corn subsidies which make it much more lucrative to grow corn over food crops, resulting in the shipping of these food crops across the continent when they could easily be grown locally...
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 8:27:11 AM

Typical government wisdom -- from the same people who run the post office and now our healthcare. Supposed to give you lots of confidence.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 8:07:03 AM

Ironically, shockjock advocates growing fresh tomatoes in snow covered fields to prevent wasting fuel during transport. Yet, he opposes home grown fuel that prevents shipping crude oil, literally, half way around the world.
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