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gamechanger2011

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2013 9:01:58 PM

Bobby Likis Talks Ethanol and Octane
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 5:16:19 AM

Come to think of it, I still have the original spark plug in my 23 year old ethanol powered mower.
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 2:39:57 AM

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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 4, 2014 1:45:21 AM

I ran a gasoline powered lawnmower on E10 for over a decade. I never changed the spark plugs the entire time. I use an electric one now, but the gas mower still runs just fine.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: May 3, 2014 8:59:21 PM

I have a lawnmower, that proves it does, especially 87 octane. I was changing plugs every three to four months. Went to 89 octane and been over a year.
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mpsan
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Message Posted: May 3, 2014 10:36:40 AM

YES IT DOES!
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Don20
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Message Posted: May 3, 2014 10:29:05 AM

My wife purchased a new vehicle, GM. And the service department told her never to use Ethanol or the warrantee was void. So what do you make of that.?? Have been told Ethanol is corrosive to Aluminum, Plastic and Rubber. So who do the consumers believe.??? Besides you get four miles per gallon less... I would rather spend the extra five cents and be on safe side.. Also CORN is for the kitchen table not for making gas...
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Rich_pa
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Message Posted: May 3, 2014 9:58:16 AM

Good info but what is it the best fuel?
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montpelier28
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 8:33:50 PM

Haven't heard anything good about ethanol and small engines until some of comments here.
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maddog0324
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 1:59:24 PM

Use fresh gas in your lawn mower.
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furball64801
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 8:58:56 PM

My brother has mowed 25 lawns a week for about 25 yrs and that whole time has used a 10% mix no damage to any of his mowers not a one.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 5:38:27 PM

"why did a flood gate of broken small engines open up with in a year of ethanol being added to gas?"

It only happened where gullible people dealt with unscrupulous repair people who convinced them their old, tired, worn out devices only go wore out because of ethanol, and where people too stupid to drain their tanks between seasons gummed up their machines and believed it was because of ethanol. And yet, places like Manitoba where every regular pump in the province is E10 never experienced that flood.
Guess we have smarter people, fewer gullible ninnies, and better small engine mechanics, that is the only possible explanation.

"It will just rot the fuel tank (if metal) from the inside out"

Baloney! Metal tanks rot out from moisture caused by condensation! Ethanol doesn't cause condensation, temperature difference does, and leaving a tank partly filled has ALWAYS caused condensation in tanks, that's grade 1 science, and it is explained to children who see condensation on windows, or mirrors after a shower.
That is why we USED TO GET gas line freeze-up in the winter and had to add gas-line anti-freeze (which was ALCOHOL).
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 3:18:10 PM

Chazzer wrote: "That's not quite true!"

What exactly is "not quite true"?
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2014 2:05:52 PM

That's not quite true!
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2014 4:06:22 AM

"Since you know so much about small engines, fuel additives and everything else why did a flood gate of broken small engines open up with in a year of ethanol being added to gas?"

By the way, I was a small engine mechanic for several years. The real problems with small engines started occurring after they removed lead in the late 70s. The gasoline producers then started by adding other octane boosters such as toluene, benzene, and xylene. I and others has posted this information as well as compatibility charts in here for several years.

If you want to continue blaming ethanol, and quoting armchair experts....go right ahead. In the meantime I will keep the real experts in my camp.

[Edited by: goldseeker at 2/5/2014 4:05:47 AM EST]
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nighthawk91
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 12:29:36 PM

I have also been using 10% ethanol sense ~1984. Never have I had a engine issue. Even a non fuel based issue.

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nighthawk91
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 12:19:17 PM

I've been running a 20-30% blend for about 2 years in a 2001 Century. No engine issues. This after consulting with a ASE Master Engine Builder that said he would not have any concern running up to 30%.

I am currently working on a spread sheet to track MPG and DPG. Maybe by the end of the year I will have some personal data to share.

I did run a 85% mixture for 1 tank a couple years ago. The check engine light came on. Went out after fill back up with 10%. I didn't notice a performance issue.

I also run e-10 in a 2003 Harley Davidson Road King for the last 2 years that I own it. No issues there.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 10:40:44 AM

I can report zero (0) ethanol related small engine failures. For last 25+ years I have used E10 in them. How much longer do I have to wait to see one?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 10:33:14 AM

Does this addtive have a name?

What difference does it make if its the ethanol or the nameless chemical added with the ethanol, the result is the same. Ethanol was added, the failure rate went up.

A metalergis or polymer scientist will know nothing about small engines.

Since you know so much about small engines, fuel addtives and everything else why did a flood gate of broken small engines open up with in a year of ethanol being added to gas?

Dont get me wrong, I love ethanol, it gives me a steady supply of broken but easy to repair generators, pressure washers and gasoline powered air compressors for me to buy off craigslist.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 2:52:22 AM

That 60 year old guy doesn't have a clue. Like I said, ethanol never has and never will damage a small engine. It is one of the other additives that is put in gas that cause the damage, not ethanol.

That 60 year old guy is not a polymer chemist, nor a metallurgist is he?

[Edited by: goldseeker at 2/4/2014 2:51:39 AM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2014 3:31:40 PM

It won't hurt a small engine at all.

It will just rot the fuel tank (if metal) from the inside out and embitteral the fuel pumping diaphragm.
When the diaphragm cracks or gets too stiff your small engine quits.

"Never has and never will damage a small engine"

When the 60 year old guy that owns and operates the oldest small engine shop in town credits the addition of ethanol to gas with saving his small engine repair business and claims that business is booming due to ethanol. He says that before ethanol he had maybe 2 jobs per day when he was the only place in town, now he has a 6 to 8 month back log with 2 other competitors now. He turns people away every day, my self included.
Yeah go ahead and keep thinking "ethanol has never and will never damage a small engine".
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2014 6:12:03 AM

Never has and never will damage a small engine.
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FieroGT
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2014 7:53:16 AM

Ethanol is hard on small engines.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2014 4:51:55 AM

The best I can tell is that ethanol has never damaged any engine.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 3:23:40 AM

Actually ethanol keeps engines running clean and longer.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 12:01:02 PM

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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:09:33 AM

My former mechanic said that my engine would blow up if I used more than 10% ethanol in my vehicles. I had been running up 30% at the time for about a year. That was about 3 years ago. I'm still waiting for it to blow up.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 9:46:49 AM

My neighbor's uncle's nephew's step-grandpa had trouble running E85 in his 1925 Farmall tractor.... at least that's what I HEARD...
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 9:46:27 AM

My mechanic says otherwise.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 9:21:11 AM

Ethanol is fine for larger engines. I do not use it in my small engines. Why take the chance. Also, I do not use it in my Harley. I run premium fuel in that.
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2013 11:21:26 AM

I know people that have had to have small engines repaired because of Ethanol.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 4:12:03 AM

I repeat, for the doubters, I have used, and my family have used, E10 in vehicles such as 1974 and 1976 Ford, Chrysler, and GM. Use of E10 started in 1981 when we had it available.
Pray tell, when can we expect to see engine damage from ethanol? One of these vehicles was retired just over 320,000 km, the rear end was worn out, the engine ran fine. A 1976 vehicle was run over 30 years, the engine was never touched. It seems our engines not only handled E10 starting over 30 years ago, but the engines lasted longer than most other parts of the cars. What kills engines? Poor maintenance, especially people failing to follow proper oil change recommendations for severe conditions, such as winter, stop and go driving, etc. Lousy mechanics blamed ethanol. When E10 became the standard at all our regular pumps, such discussions stopped here, people stopped believing Big Oil propaganda. Plus, most of our ethanol here, from waste wheat and other material, is actually produced by refineries owned and operated by an oil company, and that same oil company has operated their original refinery since 1981!

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[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/20/2013 4:17:37 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2013 4:11:51 AM

Wait, its 'Big Oil' again providing rebuttal to this video? Consider the source & think it through, folks.
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delgadobb
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2013 8:17:39 PM

"Of the 200,000 engines I've serviced, not one has been damaged by ethanol."
Hmm. Impressive. I'm guessing he's investigated each one thoroughly enough to have scientific knowledge of this fact.
Let's give him extreme leeway & the benefit of the doubt & say that he's seen 8 engines a day working like a dog 6 days a week. No vacations or time off. Allows about an hour per engine with no other work. That's over 80 years of work to get to 200,000 engines & doesn't leave much time for scientific analysis. Uh-huh.
Wait, is 'Renewable Fuels Association' the account providing this video? Consider the source & think it through, folks.

[Edited by: delgadobb at 9/19/2013 8:18:24 PM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2013 8:09:45 AM

"I had to fix my small Stihl trimmer engine because of Ethanol.
over $40.00 later, i ain't happy"

I don't know anybody in Manitoba, including the lawn and garden companies, who have actual, documented damage. Those specious claims pretty much disappeared in the months after every regular pump in Manitoba was swiched to E10.
Perhaps you used a higher blend?
Perhaps you used the wrong grade? Stihl manuals I find say they use 89 Octane.
Perhaps you left fuel in until it was stale?
Perhaps your trimmer is an electric trimmer?
You don't give a model number, and you don't say how old it is.

From one Stihl manual:
"Gasoline with an ethanol content of more than 10% can cause running
problems and major damage in engines with a manually adjustable carburetor
and should not be used in such engines.
Engines equipped with M-Tronic can be run on gasoline with an ethanol content of up to 25% (E25).

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 9/19/2013 8:13:46 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2013 7:58:51 AM

I had to fix my small Stihl trimmer engine because of Ethanol.

over $40.00 later, i ain't happy
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 9:59:48 AM

Much like a Star Wars movie, not real.
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LowCountryAl
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2013 9:01:55 AM

As long as ethanol-enriched gasoline is regularly rotated, I agree with Booby Likis. It is safe for approved engines such as my 2001 S10's 4.3L V6.

For infrequently operated vehicles and/or for long-term storage, non-ethanol fuel of the appropriate octane with stabilizer is recommended.
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