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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 9:03:59 AM

This was the summer that E-85 sales exploded!

Will it continue?

Will the selection of FFVs on the market get even better?

Will the oil companies continue to lie and stick it to Americans?

Will people catch on to the benefits of E-85?

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 8/30/2013 9:05:27 AM EST]
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2013 1:19:10 AM

What krzysiek_ck said!
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 8:50:17 AM

People will continue on down the road on their travels as they usually do without incidence.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 7:42:34 AM

LOL TommyGunKS,

Everything you said was, is, or has:

a) Been proven false 100 times over.
b) Is a Joseph Stalin-esque play on fear and emotion without logic
c) Propaganda designed to perpetuate dependence on a single fuel
d) indicative of many people's inability to rationalize the truth and only believe what they are told to.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 10/21/2013 7:47:25 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 4:55:22 PM

TommyGunKS, your post is just a magic fountain of misinformation.

For one thing, ethanol has a positive energy balance, and that has been discussed in the forums ad nauseum. In fact, producing corn ethanol in the USA has a 1.3 energy gain. 2 gallons of diesel to make a gallon of ethanol? Ridiculous.
For another thing, the US does NOT export more oil than Saudi Arabia, that is ludicrous. The US has greatly increased domestic oil supplies, but is still a net IMPORTER.
For another thing, the cost of ALL food is affected more by the cost of transportation, than the cost of corn. About 8 percent of the weight in a box of corn flakes is corn. Less than 5 percent of the purchase price reflects the corn price.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 3:50:59 PM

"MYTH: More energy goes into producing ethanol than it delivers as a fuel.

FACT: In terms of fossil energy, each gallon of ethanol produced from corn today delivers one third or more energy than is used to produce it."

"Ethanol has a positive energy balance – that is, the energy content of ethanol is greater than the fossil energy used to produce it – and this balance is constantly improving with new technologies."

Ethanol Myths and Facts

At the same gasoline has the negative energy balance, so by TommyGunKS count it is a lie.

TommyGunKS wrote: "People I'm tired of being lied to & ripped off."

Stop buying gasoline then.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 10/18/2013 3:53:11 PM EST]
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 2:25:06 PM

Oh baby!
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Glasman
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 9:58:25 AM

stickyvalves{

what are you going to do with all that money you are saving ?
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 10:19:13 AM

By the way, be sure people know to calculate their ethanol percentage in their tank. The first tankful will not be 85%, and when they switch back to gasohol or nolead their tank will not contain E0 or E10. (Unless with each fill they took their tank off and made sure it was absolutely empty.)
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 10:14:36 AM

GB, you are welcome to have your doubts. No problem from me. My statements come from my ongoing spreadsheet calculations where I know cost per mile. These are actual all miles calculations where I have used only nolead for at least 2000 miles, only gasohol for at least 2000 miles and only E85 for at least the same distance.

Thus I can say with spreadsheet certainty what my cost per mile has been using E85 this summer. I have a record of what I would have paid for gasohol during this time, and good knowledge of the average mpg I would have achieved.
Again, you are welcome to question my numbers. I am stating what my spreadsheet calculations show. Have a good day.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 7:43:17 PM

"This was the summer that E-85 sales exploded!"

Can you explain that? In Minnesota, for example, in 2012 the sales of E85 were 26 percent lower than in 2011. And, the number of gas stations selling E85 in Minnesota (which had the most stations selling E-85, about 360, more than double the number of such stations in the state with the next largest number of stations selling E85), dropped by about 10 percent.

"Will it continue?"

That depends on what you mean by "continue". If you mean will sales of E85 continue, of course; but that doesn't mean that there will be a significant increase in the percentage of vehicles capable of using E85 versus standard motor fuel (generally E10) or other fuels. The price differential will be the determining factor. The more fuel prices vary significantly day to day, the more advantageous it is to have a choice of fuels. Essentially you're hoping that there's a lot of disruption in prices in order to justify the purchase of Flex Fuel Vehicles (FFV) or hoping that there'll be a major breakthrough in the price difference between E85 and other fuels.

"Will the selection of FFVs on the market get even better?"

Well, there's not a lot of selection now so the probable answer is yes. But again, that's hoping that there's a reason people need to have choices of fuel (meaning, again, that the prices of fuel change significantly day to day in order to justify having a vehicle that can use different fuels).

"Will the oil companies continue to lie and stick it to Americans?"

Sorry, but you got me there. What lie are you talking about?

"Will people catch on to the benefits of E-85?"

Forgetting environmental considerations (benefits, if you will), what benefits are you talking about? Granted, E85 is generally 12 to 15 percent lower priced than E10 fuel, and the price differential is important, ethanal has less energy than gasoline, and there's about a 15 to 20 percent drop in fuel economy (mileage) when a vehicle uses E85 fuel versus the same vehicle using E10.

As an aside, while the number of gas stations selling E85 dropped between 2011 and 2012, the lower number of E85 retailers was offset (in part) by gas stations installing blender pumps that offered a range of mid-ethanol blends such as E30 (which gets better fuel economy). However, the sales of the mid-ethanol blends weren't as much as the 2012 decline in E85 sales.

Maybe, Hannie59, you can provide some responses to your own questions to give us an understanding of what you think.

As for stickyvalves post, "I have been saving 3 cents per mile for 2 1/2 months using E85", maybe you can explain what that means. You're saving 3 cents per mile? Assuming you're getting 25 miles to the gallon, and you're saving 3 cents per mile, you're saying that E85 fuel is costing you 75 cents less per gallon than E10? regular? And you're saying that you've been paying ("saving" in your words) 3 cents per mile even including the lower fuel economy that E85 has versus E10? Can you explain your testing methodology in how you got that savings figure?
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 5:27:13 PM

I have been saving 3 cents per mile for 2 1/2 months using E85.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:05:08 AM

We have several E85 pumps here in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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motehab
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 7:12:41 AM

E85 has not gained much popularity where i'm at.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 3:58:31 AM

"Not where I live. Most stations don't even have a E85 pump."

Then I guess you have bought into the lies by the oil companies.
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skye1212
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 5:35:50 PM

Not where I live. Most stations don't even have a E85 pump.
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