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gamechanger2011

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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 2:13:23 PM

"While there is a lot of back-and-forth in Washington about the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), there is just one fundamental choice at the heart of the debate: do we want alternatives to oil, or not?
As Congress holds hearings, Members must ask themselves: should we cleave to the status quo or pursue innovative new energy sources? Can Americans live with massive oil spills or do they deserve access to cleaner, safer fuel sources? And lastly, should consumers continue to hand their hard-earned money over to the oil monopoly or will they instead be able to reap the benefits of fuel diversity?
The oil lobby is trying to obscure with half-truths those very real choices for our energy future. The good news is that the RFS, if left intact, will keep generating future groundbreaking renewable fuel options for all consumers – who will benefit from savings at the pump. The innovation that produced first-generation renewable fuel paved the way for the advanced fuels being developed and commercially-scaled today. However, the key to ensuring future growth is continued investment and support from companies, including traditional ethanol producers, and the market confidence derived from a strong, stable federal policy: the RFS"

Growing first and second generation renewable fuels



[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 8/8/2013 2:15:05 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 9:15:18 AM

" It is now time to transfer away from the RFS toward the Open Fuel Standard where cars are sold that can accept any combination of gasoline, methanol and ethanol"

So you want to go from one Big Brother edict to another...

Flex Fueled vehicles are already available, if you want one go out and buy one, there is no reason for the government to force something like this down the consumers throat...
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 7:24:48 PM

Shockjock:

Cellulosic ethanol doesn't seem to make much sense to me. It's much easier to make methanol from cellulose fiber. Methanol can fuel automobiles as well as ethanol and gasoline. In addition, methanol can be mixed in any ratio in flex fuel cars.

To accept methanol, the same EFI computer can be used. Some minor engine parts need to be changed and/or conditioned for methanol. Overall, these changes cost on average $150 per vehicle.

I continue to feel that the Renewable Fuels Standard is now obsolete. It has created a supply of alternative fuels and these industries have matured. It is now time to transfer away from the RFS toward the Open Fuel Standard where cars are sold that can accept any combination of gasoline, methanol and ethanol. Rather than push supply on a limited market, it is time to expand the market demand to pull supply.

Above all else, it's time to give automobile owners fuel choice; to buy the fuel you prefer for whatever reason.

Well... that's my opinion.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 9:55:28 AM

The second generation of renewable fuels?

DOA...

In early August the EPA cut the 2013 cellulosic blend mandate from 14 million gallons to 6 million gallons. Even that volume is crazy, says the API. So far in history there have been fewer than 200,000 gallons of cellulosic fuels delivered to market. Of the companies that made it, Blue Sugars has filed for bankruptcy and KiOR is struggling, with shares down 50% in the last month after missing projections on ethanol production.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 5:39:50 PM

"What will the third generation of renewable fuels be?" Interesting question. I think that second generation is sooo broad. It ranges from corn kernel, corn stover, miscanthus, wheat stubble, grass clippings, wood chips, algae, trash, waste....

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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 3:25:20 PM

Fortunately, there are many in congress who "get it". The RFS, for the moment, does not appear to be in danger of repeal. It probably won't even be modified.

Still, I support all of the ongoing efforts to push back against the API's smear campaign.

Random question: What will the third generation of renewable fuels be?
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