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darwinfinch

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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 2:51:52 PM

The API is running a tv spot in which a car mechanic mis-characterizes ethanol as being bad for cars.

Every mechanic I've talked to off the record says it's not a big deal and that often, an engine run on ethanol will look shinier and cleaner when you take it apart. I spoke with one mechanic who went so far as to say that any small engine built after 1980 should be okay to run 10% (if not higher) blends of ethanol with no problem.

Question: Has Growth Energy, RFS, Fuels America, ACE, or another group ever considered interviewing a large number of REAL mechanics (unlike the one in the API commercial) to build a database of testimonials? I'm confident the responses of educated professionals would generally be supportive of ethanol, and this could be a highly effective way of countering Big Oil's "phantom fears" over ethanol and autos.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 3:36:21 PM

RE RE: what i said was "I just don't get the point , why add something we don't need , that has problems with it and then export fuel and crude off the gulf every day ?" if your going to quote me quote the whole thing !

Ethanol is not needed today , it may be needed someday , it may be needed @100% and that's fine with me , there is nothing wrong with it @100%
it's when it's blended with gasoline that problems crop up
cars made to run with 100% would be great i am all for it , lets go what are we waiting for

but

we need to pay the true cost for the fuels we use , this includes oil !
no more giveaways for anybody !
if gas has to be $10 a gal and e100 has to be $10 a gal so be it
the market will adj.

I live across from a grade school , every day a long line of suv's and trucks form to drop off kids , at the same time school buses drive all over town picking up as few as 5 kids per bus !

the only thing i get from this is , GASOLINE IS JUST TO CHEEP !
how can something worth fighting and dieing for be wasted so easily
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 2:08:10 PM

Very interesting!
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 12:23:08 PM

RE: "why add something we don't need?"

Those who live and work in the energy sector see the future that is looming for our country (and the world at large). It's not bright. We are reliant on fossil fuels and those fuels are getting harder (and more expensive) to dig out of the ground.

The efforts to establish solid footing for biofuels like ethanol are not an attempt to push crude oil out of the picture; the finite nature of crude oil will do that on its own very quickly (it's already started). Ethanol is an alternative which we have begun to phase in, to reduce dependence on oil the way you might grab a handrail when you feel a pain in your ankle.

As oil defenders are quick to point out, ethanol is not perfect. But the philosophy of energy diversity, sustainability, and local energy is solid and that's where I personally want to go. I won't be comfortable leaving my kids with a world sucked dry of energy with no future plan in place. "Oops it's all gone, good luck with that."
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 10:32:42 PM

Ethanol has never damaged anything here as far as i can tell
but i do have a problem with storing it
the change to 10% blend in Arizona has changed the way we store fuel
we have a 1175 gal fuel tank and pump for our equipment
in the past some years some of this fuel has sat in the tank for over a year and was still fine
the new 10% fuel does not last anywhere as long in storage and when it gets a little older it burns up twice or three times as fast when used !

I just don't get the point , why add something we don't need , that has problems with it and then export fuel and crude off the gulf every day ?

so now where down to buying gas at the gas stations (at full price) 100 gals at a time with no storage or reserve , just because of the 10% mix

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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 9:40:23 AM

MertieMan, stop putting ethanol in your electric mowers!
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 9:33:53 AM

I had an older lawn mower to literally blow up because of ethanol. I don't trust it in small engines.
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 8:25:17 AM

Of course since it is on TV it must be true
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 10:54:34 PM

I do not believe corn ethanol raises food prices significantly. Corn ethanol might have a slight effect on food prices, but it's small compared to the cost of petroleum and electricity.

The price of corn doesn't effect the price of meat nearly as much as the cost of transportation and refrigeration.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 10:53:31 AM

skye1212 wrote: "The best ethanol comes from sugar cane, not corn. Using corn for ethanol raises corn prices and dominos through the food chain resulting in higher food prices. It's not rocket science."

Yet, you fail to provide any proof to your statement. Why is that?

Educate yourself:

Time to put food vs fuel to bed for good.

Food price increases second lowest in 20 years. Still blame ethanol?

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 8/23/2013 10:59:40 AM EST]
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skye1212
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 10:51:41 AM

The best ethanol comes from sugar cane, not corn. Using corn for ethanol raises corn prices and dominos
through the food chain resulting in higher food prices. It's not rocket science.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 10:04:23 AM

I don't believe much about the ethanol debate anymore....hard to seek out an open-mind.
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 7:26:19 AM

That's not true.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 10:57:51 PM

What has happened to Darwinfinch? Has anyone heard from him. I am missing his posts!
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 9:26:26 PM

skye1212, I too, like many here have used high ethanol blends in my non-FFVs with absolutely no performance or maintenance issues.

"Sugar based ethanol makes much more sense."
Were you aware that corn ethanol comes from corn sugar?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 2:33:40 PM

skye1212 wrote: "Problem is the distributers often screw up the additive packages and you wind up with much higher percentages of ethanol, which will do tremendous damage to the fuel system/engine."

I'm using E35 in my 1994 turbo car for last 2 years. When should I expect this "tremendous damage to the fuel system/engine" to happen? So far I can report zero, 0, ethanol related issues.

skye1212 wrote: "We don't need a system which increases corn and food prices like ethanol."

Let's see some proof to your claim.

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skye1212
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 12:09:13 PM

Problem is the distributers often screw up the additive packages and you wind up with much higher
percentages of ethanol, which will do tremendous damage to the fuel system/engine.

We don't need a system which increases corn and food prices like ethanol. Sugar based
ethanol makes
much more sense.
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 9:28:28 AM

I don't buy much of what has been said about Ethanol.

I use it and even my turbo Outback likes it.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 9:12:55 AM

You should realize that big oil companies are filling the public with misinformation to keep you ignorant about the truth. It's amazing that people are so willing to put their trust on what the drug dealer tells you.

In short, it's all about performing your own due diligence.



[Edited by: forresj at 8/6/2013 9:14:06 AM EST]
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FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 5:53:14 AM

I've been mechanicing since 1976 and I use ethanol all the time, and have been since they called it "gasohol".
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ZR1S10
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:01:13 AM

I'm an ASE mechanic with 6 years of experience and I'm pro-ethanol.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 3:44:23 PM

E85 engine tear down
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