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darwinfinch

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 11:42:57 AM

Sure, fossil fuel is bad for the environment, bad for the economy, bad for politics, has no vision for future sustainability, and does not invest in education or communities...

BUT where I live, it's a few cents cheaper, so that's what I fill up with every day.

I also eat McDonalds every day for the same reasons. I just think price should be the most important thing when making decisions. When people talk about bananas and oatmeal and vitamins, etc., I just laugh because I know they are wasting their money.
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33gort33
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whoa nelly....
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ok
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 12:14:00 PM

forresj's sarcasmeter isn't working.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 9:11:51 AM

So you probably weight 800 pounds and putting a strain on your car. Later in life, you'll experience heart and back problems and die young. But you'll be happy.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 3:24:05 PM

"Does the government tell McDonalds they have to sell chicken sandwiches? No. But neither does the government tell oil companies they must sell propane"

Olil companies produce propane, and they are mandated by the government to buy and sell a minimum amount of ethanol every year...

" The USDA mandating that McDonalds put beef in its hamburger"

The USDA does not mandate that McDonalds put beef it it's hamburgers. Where did you come up with that???

" It only mandates that if a company wants to sell motor fuel to the American public, it ought to A) use something responsible as its octane enhancer, and B) explore renewable blends (which people want), or C) pay the price for heel-dragging."

1. It doesn't mandate that the oil company "ought to" use something responsible as it's octane enhancer. It mandates that the oil compnay utilizes a minimum level of ethanol...

2.It doesn't mandate that oil companies "explore" renewable blends, it mandates that the oil compnay utilizes a minimum level of ethanol, and as has been pointed out, ethanol is not truly renewable...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 7/30/2013 3:26:15 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 3:17:47 PM

"I think that's where you are misunderstanding the history of the RFS. The RFS comes at a time when consumers are pushing for renewable fuel, but it was also intended as a follow-up to the previous clean air acts related to MTBE"

I think you are the one who misunderstands. MTBE was never outlawed by the EPA for one. Secondly, in market where oxygenated fuels are required, 3% to 4% concentrations ethanol would fulfill that requirement, and most areas don't even have a requirement for reformulated gasoline.

The RFS purpose is to force the use of ethanol on the consuming public...
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 2:21:21 PM

"The Government's minimum usage mandate is not there to increase the quality of gasoline..."

I think that's where you are misunderstanding the history of the RFS. The RFS comes at a time when consumers are pushing for renewable fuel, but it was also intended as a follow-up to the previous clean air acts related to MTBE. The regulation serves dual purpose, and is able to do so because ethanol serves dual purpose: as an octane enhancer, and as an alternative fuel in its own right. The regulations surrounding MTBE and leaded fuel unfolded in a way that lead up to the RFS, promoting renewable fuels and also piggybacking onto the obvious successor to MTBE: ethanol.

I still stand by my analogy. The USDA mandating that McDonalds put beef in its hamburger, or OSHA mandating that they have handicap stalls in their restrooms... is no different than the EPA saying "look, we gotta have cleaner fuel and MTBE is not good... let's regulate toward the use of ethanol".

Does the government tell McDonalds they have to sell chicken sandwiches? No. But neither does the government tell oil companies they must sell propane. It only mandates that if a company wants to sell motor fuel to the American public, it ought to A) use something responsible as its octane enhancer, and B) explore renewable blends (which people want), or C) pay the price for heel-dragging.

Big Oil's response: "Dam, all deez RULES!"
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 1:29:40 PM

Once again DF you are comparing apples to oranges. The Governments minimum usage mandate is not their to increase the quality of gasoline, it's there to force the oil companies to use a competeing product.

So in that vein, I don't see the Government mandating that Mcdonald must sell 100 million Chic-fil-a sandwiches in their restaurant, or any minimum sales of any other competetors products...
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 1:02:10 PM

"I don't see the government mandating the minimum amount of anything Mcdonalds sells... "

The quality and composition of their products are regulated by the USDA in exactly the same way the EPA regulates the composition of motor fuel. Beef must meet standards. Beverages must meet standards. Fry oil must meet standards. What's the difference?

Oil companies are not required to sell fuel. Or even to sell fuel with ethanol in it.

The EPA, automakers, and 75% of Americans want motor fuel to burn clean, come from renewable resources as much as possible, and meet octane standards. If the oil industry can find another way to do that, I think the door is open. The oil industry's last solution was to put lead in the fuel. EPA stopped it. Then they wanted to use something called MTBE. EPA stopped it.

[Edited by: darwinfinch at 7/30/2013 1:02:42 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 12:33:40 PM

"Your counter-analogy backfires."

I don't see the government mandating the minimum amount of anything Mcdonalds sells...
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 12:08:37 PM

"Funny, I don't see the government mandating the number of salads that Mcdonalds must sell in a year or be fined..."

Your counter-analogy backfires. Even the crappiest restaurants (like McDonalds) have some of the toughest regulations in our economy. There are limits to what they can sell, what they can cook with, how they must prepare foods, and under which conditions the foods are prepared. All of the ingredients are observed and regulated by USDA. The workplace is observed and regulated by OSHA. Restaurants must obtain certifications, go through inspections, label almost everything, and maintain quality standards.

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 11:55:07 AM

"I also eat McDonalds every day for the same reasons"

If you want to use McDonalds as analogy

Funny, I don't see the government mandating the number of salads that Mcdonalds must sell in a year or be fined, so why does the government feel it's necessary to dictate how much ethanol must be sold by the oil companies on a year by year basis?
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 11:51:54 AM

"Sure, fossil fuel is bad for the environment"
As is ethanol production, so your point is?

" bad for the economy"
Fossil fuels litterly run the economy, so how is that bad?

"bad for politics"
How is it bad for politics?

"has no vision for future sustainability"
Ethanol in it's present for is just as unsustainable as fossil fuels since it relies on fossil fuels for it's production. So again, what is your point?

"does not invest in education or communities"
Yet another inaccurate statement. Chevron alone has invested over $100 million into schools over the last three years...









[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 7/30/2013 11:52:51 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 10:52:40 AM

"Ya know! If McDonald's would get off their duffs, they could probably fuel a significant percentage of their fleet of trucks on biodiesel derived from the waste oil generated at their restaurants. "

Actually, the companies that deliver the food to the McDonald Franchises and company stores, are private companies.

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 9:52:46 AM

That's a Whopper!
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 3:06:38 AM

LOL!
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 12:51:35 AM

WB....that's pretty wild! But I like it! haha
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 12:30:59 AM

After reading an article on Yahoo about the Navy experimenting with biodiesel in some ships during a war game some months back and then it hits me...............

Run the Naval fleet on some sort of fryer grease blend then use confiscated marajuana for the smoke screen! Burn a little MJ so that the pursuing ships are being driven through a cloud of pot smoke then since they'll be burning fryer grease, that could create a case of "the munchies from hell"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I am a bit of a Mel Brooks fan and have seen "The History of the World, Part 1" too :p
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 12:14:50 AM

"For more than 10 years, McDonald’s USA has worked with our supplier RTI to implement a bulk cooking oil delivery and retrieval program. This program includes delivery of fresh cooking oil to the restaurants in bulk via a portal on the exterior of the restaurant to a large tank in the store. At the same time, waste oil is collected from a separate tank and taken back to a larger distribution facility where it is sold for re-use to a variety of vendors, including biodiesel companies. Today nearly 75% of the eligible U.S. restaurants are enrolled in this program, representing more than 8,675 U.S. restaurants. Additional restaurants are being converted as infrastructure advancements develop."Biodiesel & Recycling Cooking Oil Converting our recycled cooking oil to fuel into a business asset

[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 7/30/2013 12:15:34 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 10:15:05 PM

Ya know! If McDonald's would get off their duffs, they could probably fuel a significant percentage of their fleet of trucks on biodiesel derived from the waste oil generated at their restaurants.

Sorry for changing the subject. The thought of eating at McDonald's EVERY DAY kinda made me sick. :-)
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 2:16:59 PM

yum...yum...give me some.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 1:19:53 PM

I've eaten more than enough McDonalds and I still got that!

Hell, if I had a comparable amount of biodiesel to the amount of fried crap I've had over the years, I could drop a small diesel in my Jeep drive forever on it!
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:35:35 PM

Good sarcasm is lost on some...
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 11:44:02 AM

I don't eat fast food......
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