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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 10:39:24 AM

Does the fact that something is consumable by humans make it a better fuel? Well probably not. But the fact that you could spill a 10 million gallons of it anywhere with virtually no environmental impact is a plus. And the fact that it is clear is indicative of the cleanliness when burned. Very minimal particulate emissions. Yes, it gets fewer MPG, but that is often exaggerated. Compare the well to wheel energy yield of an ethanol PLANT, even from corn, to gasoline that has been refined from crude, and ethanol is a better energy yield.

Ultimately if you just want to just be able to buy pure gas for your own peace of mind, more power to you. This is all the ethanol bashers claim to want. But don't contribute to this myth mentality that the oil and food mass marketers got goin' on now. Ethanol is fine for your car, and truly an excellent fuel. The best scenario for you AND me is to pull up to the pump, and be able to pump at a blender to choose my own ethanol blend, from 0% to 85%, and have my car be able to use it. Not this maniacal, petroleum funded campaign of misinformation guiding the "world is flat" mentality that is going on here now, from some.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 3:48:36 PM

SilverStreaker, I stand corrected.

And darwinfinch, I agree with you too actually, in so far as if it's better to drink it's probably better to burn. Had difficulty reasoning it all the way through on that specific attribute alone.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 7/26/2013 3:51:24 PM EST]
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 2:49:21 PM

Hannie, good points, except for full choice, blender pumps should be 0-100%.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 1:02:48 PM

Cars could also be made to run more efficiently on ethanol. Cars today are made to run on gas not ethanol. I think that someday we won't be discussing a loss in MPG.

I talk to many customers that tell me that they don't lose any MPG at an E30 blend. I know people that track their mileage and log it.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 11:32:49 AM

"Does the fact that something is consumable by humans make it a better fuel? Well probably not."

I disagree. I think it makes it a MUCH BETTER fuel. Not all that enters our bodies is taken in through the mouth. We breath through our lungs. Numerous chemicals and materials come into contact with our skin. And even those chemicals we never touch... billions of other creatures and plants bathe in them daily, eat them, drink them, and die from them... and eventually the materials are brought into contact with us again.

The days of categorizing the natural world into 1. human bodies / 2. everything else... those days are over. We have learned too much about ecology. We are a part of our environment and everything we spill, burn, and spray into it goes back into us. When your neighbor dumps antidepressants down their toilet, you (eventually) will drink them. The environment does not create and destroy materials, it moves them around. In and out of various forms. Into a fish's body. Into a bird's body. Into yours.

When someone says we shouldn't be "wasting" corn as fuel it makes me wonder if they realize where that belch of smoke goes when it leaves the tailpipe. It doesn't just vaporize off into the sky and disappear, or settle on the ground somewhere in desolated Nevada. It STAYS HERE. On Earth. In the atmosphere. In your city. In your lungs. In your body. While it is comforting to imagine a defensive front between your body and the ocean of chemicals floating around "out there", it's an illusion. There is no line. You Are Eating Your Fuel Whether You Like it Or Not.

Remember that scene in Back to the Future where Doc puts a banana peel in his fuel tank? If the vision of our future is not allowed to include fuels which are safe to consume, then we aren't dreaming high enough.

I agree with the remainder of your points. :)
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