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mnrick041

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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 6:05:01 AM

My car is a Flex Fuel Vehicle but I have never used E85 in it. According to fueleconomy.gov I would be spending $400 more per year if I used E85.

Do you use E85? What kind of results have you gotten from it?
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 8:37:00 AM

never used it
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FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 3:38:26 PM

Oddly enough, I save money by using E85. And I know how to do math.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 3:27:14 PM

clean, renewable, homegrown fuel = dumb?

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dougbert
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 3:20:54 PM

NEVER. It is dumb. Cost is too much!
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 8:50:39 AM

"I did the math... factoring in the fuel economy ding with the reduced price/gallon, it ends up costing MORE per mile to use E85"

If you don't use E85, even in compatible vehicles, how could you "do the math?"
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VeeDubbin
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 9:30:09 PM

No, I do no use it, even when I am driving a compatible vehicle.

I did the math... factoring in the fuel economy ding with the reduced price/gallon, it ends up costing MORE per mile to use E85 (at least at the prices charged here in southern Washington).
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FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 12:56:33 PM

Yes, it saves money, and is readily available.
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ElCap
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 12:28:27 PM

No, it is a waste of money, and is not readily available.
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 12:23:30 PM

no
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daddynicky
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 4:28:16 PM

no my truck is an older one and it will knock and miss with that crap in there
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FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 2:32:09 PM

chazzer's car is either carbureted or retarded.
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 1:21:46 PM

Nope! My car won't run on the damn stuff.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 1:53:57 PM

Speaking of octane, I stopped by a station that used to sell E85 just to see if that ever gone back to doing so (nope, still not selling it), and saw that they do sell 100 octane race gas.........at $6.99 a gallon. I saw E85 for as high as $3.39 and bought it from a newer same brand station for $2.39 just hours before that. A summer's worth of race gas use could pay for an E85 conversion, even compared to the more expensive source, not to mention the advantages of higher octane and the liquid intercooling effect the stuff has compared to gasoline.
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Alexi7
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 7:37:15 AM

Getting to be a toss-up here in NW Ohio with unleaded regular in the $2.80s and E-85 "only" $2.659. E-85 was a deal clincher back when unleaded with in the $3.80s.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 9:55:33 PM

I use E85 almost exclusively in my 2008 Chevy Impala LT FFV. I lose about 15% in fuel mileage.

I don't mind spending a few extra bucks on E85. It's 105 Octane and can be price-compared to premium gasoline. It keeps people in my region employed.

My car is an alcoholic. :-)
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2013 2:05:29 AM

One thing that is funny about this though, we took a road trip to Branson, MO in October and I ran as close to a 50% mix for the first leg, yet only got 22.18mpg (calculated, IIRC the car was claiming 23-24), then 24.88mpg on what should have been roughly 20% continuing the trip there then running around for a few days, finally topping off with 91 octane premium for the the drive home and topping off again with regular at the station we stopped at on the way down, those last two tanks getting 29.88mpg on 10% 91 and 28.28mpg (literally!) once again on 87, and that last leg included some nasty crosswinds that were blowing my folks minivan all over and some semis and straight trucks that frankly shouldn't have been trying to force their way through it then having to do a little driving before filling it up (sister's car had a flat, so I followed Dad to Costco to get that checked out). If it hadn't been for that and the weather, I could have very well seen 30mpg on that last leg.

I'm thinking out a how I'll do that his year already. I'll probably start that trip with 85% in the tank then fill up with 91at our first stop, hopefully having 30%-40% in the tank for the rest of that trip there and he running around before heading home. Not sure yet on the trip home, there is a place in Springfield that sells it that I could probably top off with E85 at, then just fill up with 91 at our usual midway point stop and fill.
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2013 12:37:29 AM

Mix it Max of 30% or consider qtr tank BUT DRIVE conservative speeds.. e30 is more cost effective to your wallet. ALSO use synthetic oil changes at 12000 mile changes.

Watch your mpg go up and overall maintenance go down.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 4:28:46 PM

Ok, it was 25.46mpg for the return trip and 23.33mpg round trip.
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husker321
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 4:01:50 PM

k
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 1:55:33 PM

Dad and I just ran the stuff while going up to Road America in Elkhart Lake, WI and back without an issue other than it being stupid expensive at the stations within 10 miles from the track ($3.49 vs $3.69 for regular!) The car's computer was showing a best of about 22.3mpg and the actual was 21.44mpg. Last year the drive up was 20.11mpg and 20.44 down, but the car had less than 3k miles on it and now sits at around 14.5k miles. Haven't gone to top it off now that we're home, but will update what the mileage on the drive home is. The car's computer was showing just over 25mpg at times, so high 22's to 24+ mpg is seriously possible by the time I get it filled and all the math done! EPA estimates the car at 16/22 on E85 (gas is 19/29), but 16.5-17mpg isn't unusual (19-20 for gas), so this couldbe interesting!
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 11:40:51 AM

My vehicle is older and does not like ethanol gas.
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 7:23:18 AM

We don't have to use it in Canada. Some stations mix it with regular gas though.
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2013 12:10:27 AM

EPA forced in Colorado
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fwaneil
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2013 3:30:15 PM

Nope..
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Floridaman2013
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2013 8:41:50 AM

Use it all the time including all lawn equipment and Outboard Mercury 200 HP EFI 3.0L V6 and have never had any problems. Bought more expensive pure gas at the marina once and boat ran no different. Boat is 2004 Nitro.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 7:51:04 AM

not yet, my local stations don't have it
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LostStarMD
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 6:50:17 AM

I might switch to it if it was more avaliable and cheaper in my area. I'd need to drive 20 miles out of the way to find the closest pumps and even then it cost as much around here as regular gas.
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FrankLee1
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 2:51:57 AM

tictoc- drama queen much? It doesn't destroy engines. I've been using it in non-FFVs for years. Just don't use strong E85 blends in below freezing temps- it'll start hard.
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Alexi7
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2013 7:56:57 PM

Heck ya, unleaded is going for $3.849 and E-85 $2 .759. The slight loss in mpg is not worth the fuss.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2013 9:22:41 AM

I've driven we'll over 100,000 miles with E85. Fuel economy is very close to gasoline.

By the way, the EPA does not test using ethanol. They require a reference standard called Indolene Clear. Fuel economy for gasoline any any fuel containing ethanol is calculated based on energy content. It's not a real number.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2013 12:14:54 AM

I use it every chance I get to splash blend up to E30.

[Edited by: goldseeker at 6/12/2013 12:16:53 AM EST]
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 4:06:14 PM

Well said Darwin!
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 3:57:13 PM

Yes, and it's cheaper where I live, EVEN when you factor in the 10% fuel economy drop. But you asked about results, so here's what I'll say:

- The money I pay for my fuel goes into American pockets, often local pockets. This is a good result.

- The emissions blasted into the air from my truck are cleaner by far. That's a good result.

- It makes me happy to know that every gallon of ethanol I buy can be regrown. It's renewable, and my purchase is an investment in the future. That's a great result.

Is money really the most important thing? If it were, we'd still be burning leaded fuel and spraying DDT on everything.
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 1:29:23 PM

no way.
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2013 7:48:56 AM

no
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2013 6:31:01 AM

Never, I don't want Ethanol in my tank
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96EASYRIDER
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2013 7:50:48 PM

No
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bighatch65
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Message Posted: Jun 9, 2013 11:24:51 AM

No
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 4:05:15 PM

Just drove 3000 miles using E85. Lowered my cost per mile 1-2 cents. Now gasohol is lower and I have switched back to it. My rule is 20% price difference. Can you do the math?
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tiktok4321
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2013 3:28:58 PM

Ummm, Kenny: E85 is not the same as 85-octane. If it is E85, you must have a vehicle that accepts FlexFuel or else you'll be shopping for a new engine in the near future. Octanes run a bit lower in the mountains and way up North. Not as much air to mix with the fuel, so less BTU is needed. Of course, there is less power that goes along with that. Use 85 Octane all you want, but it may not run as well at sea level on a cold day (the most dense air).
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kennyman
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2013 1:24:35 AM

I have a flex fuel F150. We don't have E85 here, but I was towing my RV in USA and I put in 85 octane fuel which I think is E85. I never noticed any difference in performance. But then I don't check my mileage when I tow my RV I just keep pouring the fuel in it.
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2013 11:34:51 PM

I run it and my car gets 4 mpg less running it than 89 octane does in my car. E85 is $1.20 a gallon less than 87 octane in Minnesota. It's a no brainer to run it if you have a Flex, converted vehicle or can blend in a regular gasser.
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MYF111
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2013 11:24:39 PM

E-85 no don't use it and never will way to much hype on this one it was suppose to pollute less etc only problem they wate more oil and energy refinning it big govt driven waste.
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n2bama
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2013 6:30:44 PM

no
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nichols
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 9:27:30 AM

not if I can avoid it, mileage is terrible
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tiktok4321
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 7:44:10 AM

Seriously, if there was a 75-cent difference in price, that'd be one thing. But we just had a new gas station come in and they are charging only about 3-10 cents less for E85 than what everyone else is charging for regular 87 octane.

Either this new gas station is clueless, or they are preying on the clueless.

[Edited by: tiktok4321 at 6/4/2013 7:44:53 AM EST]
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 3:16:13 AM

I do, I've found my Chrysler 200 "breaks even" at around a $.75 a gallon spread vs regular and the computer does appear to adjust things so the car works better (especially in hotter weather) on it even though the mileage does drop a few MPG's. I've seen a few others on line with 200's and their sibling the Dodge Avenger, who have noticed that even though Chrysler insists via owners manual that higher octane doesn't make a difference, the cars run better with mid grade (89), premium (91, 92, or 93), and E85 (aprox 105) than it does with regular (87). I've also talked to a late model (with the inferior front and rear suspensions) Grand Cherokee owner and Durango owner, both of whom have both told me they have found the power bump they've experienced on E85 was enough in comparison to 93 (which is the usual premium here), that they could financially justify the lower mileage do to the greater power potential that was available.

The station I topped off at Saturday was selling E85 for $3.29, 87 for $4.19, 89 for $4.29, and 93 for $4.39. With the break even point being at $.75 a gallon and the spread for E85 vs 87 being closer to $.15 makes it worth while let alone $1.10 vs 93 just at that station! The stations closer to home in comparison to what I paid is more like $.95 vs 87 and $1.41 vs 93 at one of the more overpriced stations in town. That's anywhere from $4.5525 to $6.677 on that fill up just from that station!
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 9:47:32 PM

At recent price spreads your about even, maybe even ahead a bit. But Silver way off about the calibration of ECU's. They will pick up the fuel change, if done with a full tank refuel, in about 60 miles from any of the major OEM systems.

But he is right that you need to try as vehicles vary on the percentage MPG drop. Don't believe the BS that E-85 does better than E-10, I have to laugh at those butt-heads. I've tried a Chrysler MV and found about 5% drop. But with the current price spreads (just after the F'n 20 cent/gal increase this weekend) you are further ahead on E-85.

So take you flexibility to the bank while you can.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 9:21:14 PM

You won't know for sure until you try it for at least several tank fulls in a row. It takes some ECUs time to adapt to changes in fuels.
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 11:49:24 AM

No, please discontinue
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