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goldseeker

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Message Posted: May 25, 2013 7:41:55 AM

It is 100% American made and e85 is under $3.00 per gallon at several stations.
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 1:01:11 PM

no thanks.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2013 3:47:02 AM

"So bring that "...100% American made..." down. And the number will continue to slide for the next year when Brazil has a bumper crop of sugar they have to dump on the market."

Typical hype and spin by the anti-ethanol crowd.

If you will do the math you will find that there was a total of 2405 barrels of imported ethanol through March 13 of this year. Those numbers are rather piddly as America's ethanol companies produced over 60 million barrels of ethanol during the same period according to the EIA.And the latest figures shows that the good ole USA imports about 10 million barrels of oil per day. That is nearly a billion dollars per day.

Wow! The sky must be falling.
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borsht
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 12:20:44 PM

Where did I say we are importing feed? I didn't confirm or deny this.
I said we are importing ethanol from Brazil!!!!
and have provided the link.
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James48843
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 12:12:07 PM

I drive my Chevy Impala on E85.

Paid $3.09 a gallon for E85 yesterday in Michigan, and several SPEEDWAY stations now have E85 for less than $3 a gallon. How about you?

What do YOU drive?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 30, 2013 9:37:41 AM

tdioiler wrote: "Like Borsht has noted, we are importing feed and ethanol from Brazil to make up the shortage raised by the mandates."

Please list how much feed we are importing from Brazil. Support it with "a link to a respected Internet source".
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: May 29, 2013 11:08:15 PM

Like Borsht has noted, we are importing feed and ethanol from Brazil to make up the shortage raised by the mandates.

So all the talk about USA grown.... Getting just as thin of an emotional excuse as the food for fuel discussion.

So bring that "...100% American made..." down. And the number will continue to slide for the next year when Brazil has a bumper crop of sugar they have to dump on the market.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 29, 2013 4:22:38 AM

"feed costs are going up due to the diversion of corn to ethanol."

Oh, baloney, guess you have never met a farmer.
If there is a market for more corn because they are making ethanol with it, farmers plant more corn. If they stopped making ethanol, there would be a very short-term glut of corn, and next year so many farmers would have switched to other crops (or gone bankrupt) there would be a shortage and prices would sky-rocket until the market normalized again.
The more corn farmers can sell, the more they plant.
The more wheat farmers can sell, the more they plant.
The more barley farmers can sell, the more they plant.
Depress the price of anything farmers sell, whether it be corn, the fewer acres are devoted to that crop, or the fewer animals they have.

"How much energy is consumed making ethanol? Ever research that?"
Many times research has been posted in these forums.
Ethanol has a net energy gain. Gasoline uses more fossil fuel to make than ethanol.
Naysayers have a nasty habit of actually counting the sunshine we receive as an expense, as if sunshine is diverted to corn fields?
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Realakman
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Message Posted: May 29, 2013 4:00:50 AM

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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 29, 2013 3:08:39 AM

"How much energy is consumed making ethanol? Ever research that?"

It is a well known fact that ethanol has a positive energy balance, while gasoline does not.

"The US used over 45% of its 2011 corn crop to produce ethanol."

So what! 2/3 of that corn is returned as animal feed and corn oil.
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: May 29, 2013 12:28:05 AM

I agree with OceanArcher, who said "Might be - but my cars are not designed/tuned for E85 ... I'll opt for E0 every time"

[Edited by: PaylessKY at 5/29/2013 12:28:49 AM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 28, 2013 12:21:26 PM

Phil, the only thing driving up food costs is the price of petroleum. Corn is NOT "diverted". That's why it's being grown.

If a better, more economical way to make ethanol comes along, it will emerge as the preferred way to make it. But as far as food vs. fuel, it is an factless tactic designed to appeal to emotion. You ought to be ashamed claiming corn is being taken away from human consumption. We are way beyond disproving that old "claim".

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/28/2013 12:22:24 PM EST]
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WE0H
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Message Posted: May 28, 2013 12:13:17 PM

Up here in the Midwest we don't have any food shortages and definitely no Ethanol shortages 8-) Lots of corn fields and most of the big time farmers irrigate so drought is not in their vocabulary. I am noticing this spring most fields are planted in corn. Prices must be forecast to be high.
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PhilnTX
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Message Posted: May 28, 2013 12:03:36 PM

Sure, it's cheaper at the pump, but feed costs are going up due to the diversion of corn to ethanol. My truck gets 5MPG LESS economy when I fill up with 25 gallons of E85.

How is that better? Use more, fill up sooner.....

How much energy is consumed making ethanol? Ever research that?

The US used over 45% of its 2011 corn crop to produce ethanol.

How many people could be fed with the corn used for ethanol? In the US, the primary ethanol production input is field corn. While not typically eaten on the cob, field corn is used to make other food including breakfast cereal, corn flour or meal, corn sweetener, and corn oil. It serves both as food for people and feed for livestock--which subsequently becomes food for people in the form of poultry, pork, and beef.
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borsht
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Message Posted: May 28, 2013 9:57:42 AM

They have removed the import tariff on ethanol and it is being imported to the tune of millions of gallons a month.
The U.S. cannont produce enough ethanol to meet the mandate requirements. It will get much higher with use of E15 and E85.
http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/9819/brazil-ethanol-imports-likely-to-be-much-larger-this-year
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WE0H
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Message Posted: May 28, 2013 3:17:37 AM

I blend in the non converted vehicles I have & run straight E85 in my converted vehicles. The more alcohol we run, the less money going to the crazy countries that hate Americans.
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: May 27, 2013 9:28:53 PM

"It is 100% American made"

Just another Bogus statement brought to you by the corn lobby.

Ethanol imports by country.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: May 27, 2013 12:23:07 PM

Might be - but my cars are not designed/tuned for E85 ... I'll opt for E0 every time
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