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CORNHICK

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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 3:18:26 PM

it is actually worth using again as it is only 2.89 per gallon while regular unleaded is at $4.09 per gallon and the e10 (gasohol) is 3.99 per gallon. I am willing to use e85 once again sick of paying a premium for big oil. But if price on oil goes down I will not be favoring ethanol, I just do which one ever is the cheapest.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 1:41:03 AM

Um, I was suggesting the Volt as a vehicle in general, E85 capable or not. As I have said before, my 200 has been parked for weeks at a time this winter with E85 in it and I didn't have to drain the tank and it hasn't caused issues either. Come to think of it, I should start my Jeep to make sure there hasn't been any issues with the gas in it gumming up...........
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Message Posted: Jun 10, 2013 9:05:06 PM

I haven't heard that GM has recommended that one use E85 in the Volt.
This should be troublesome especially for anyone that charges the battery routinely and only sporadically runs the gas engine. IMO it would not be practical to perform a maintenance task every month to remove the E85 fuel every 30 days because you have E85 in the tank.
Has Anyone heard any update on E85 from GM?
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 1:30:11 PM

Sounds like you would be best off with a Chevy Volt there if you can afford to buy one Rick.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 7:45:03 AM

Nobody wants anyone to know that no car newer than 1998 can tell the difference between 10%, 30% ethanol, or anything in between. They can all adjust to 30% (some claim 50%, although even an advocate like myself don't usually go that high).

The materials in any car since 1998 cannot tell the difference either.

I have 150,000 (total, 100,000 on one and about 60K on the other) miles on 2 cars that "weren't "designed" for anything over E-10", mostly on a tank filled with 33% E-85 every time. Only 66% of what I put in is unleaded. I guarantee you if I have my vehicles inspected they would shock the mechanic as to how good of shape the engine, fuel pump, and fuel system is in.

LET ME TELL YOU THIS. The product of gasoline is SO VERY inconsistent from pump to pump that your car must continually adjust. The ethanol percentage up to 30% actually makes the fuel mixture more consistent, because E-85 is much more so than gasoline is from pump to pump.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 6/4/2013 7:47:55 AM EST]
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 6:40:16 AM

Diesel is worth the price if you drive a lot and most of it is highway miles. The car itself will cost more and diesel fuel usually costs more.

I was talking to a VW salesman about a Jetta and he said that because I only drive about 12-14,000 miles per year and most of that is city it would be more economical for us to get a gas Jetta than a diesel.

My Ford is a FFV but I have never tried E85. Many stations do not sell it and I have not really considered it until now but I am not sure if the price difference would be worth the loss of MPG's.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2013 3:33:24 AM

Right now around here, E85 and Diesel should give you better returns than gasoline. As of Saturday the 3 stations I usually buy from had better pricing on E85 at $.70-$1.00 a gallon less and pretty much all the local stations had better pricing for diesel at $.10-$.25 less vs regular!
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 9:51:27 PM

MNrick, Check how they got that calculations. So people would say diesel isn't worth the price spread either as it costs more per gal. Riiiigggghhht! Just as I pass the station selling $4.15 E10 vs $4.05 diesel.

If you have a FFV, you should on those large spreads on price. If not an FFV or older than 2002, good luck. You might be a warranty "winner".
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 7:07:51 PM

James48843, thanks, I just discovered that site and was checking it out last night. I was surprised to see that they claim my 2012 Fusion will cost me $1750 more in fuel costs over 5 years than the "average" new car.

I would have to try out the E85 and do the math and figure out if there is any benefit to using it.
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TalonKarrde
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 3:53:32 PM

I have a 2010 Ford Escape - I'd say the difference is about 20% between E10 and E85 for me. That being said, my break point is when it goes under 15% price spread. I'm actually willing to pay a 5% premium on my fuel if it means less dependence on foreign oil and more support for local Farmers.
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James48843
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 10:17:59 AM

mnrick041- Don't bank on the EPA mpg from fueleconomy.gov. The EPA doesn't test actual E85 MPG- they simply calculate based on gasoline MPG times the 66% lower energy content of ethanol.

In reality, the real E85 MPG varies from engine to engine. Some of the variables are software differences. Others are compression and efficiency differences. For example, my Chevy Impala 3.5 liter gets 22 to 24 on E85 and 25 to 28 on gasoline. that's about a 15% reduction, not the 30% that fueleconomy.gov lists. Another example is the new Ford focus, which gets around 40 MPG on gasoline, and I ran two tanks of E85 recently on a rental car, and found 38 MPG highway on E85. That's nowhere NEAR the difference that fueleconomy.gov claims. Do your own test on your own car, and see what your flex-fuel mileage is. My best deal is to mix half-and-half, where I get ALMOST the same MPG on a E45-E50 mix as I do on gasoline. I don't really get a drop off in MPG until I go more than E60 or so.

Good luck.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2013 6:08:17 AM

Look at your car on fueleconomy.gov and it will tell you how much more per year you will spend by using E85.

For my car I would spend $400 more per year with E85.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 11:16:28 PM

Hannie's 20% mark looks very good. I've tried a FFV and found the difference in fuel price the guiding factor. Today I saw on station with E-85 at 24% lower. Good buy for now.
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IndyOutRider
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 12:52:41 PM

My MPG dropped by 4. I went back to regular
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 11:21:22 AM

Corn alcohol plants do produce the distillers grain as SS says, but also corn oil and CO2 for carbonated beverages as well.

At this time using corn for alcohol fuel is far better than petroleum. In the future, maybe not corn. But that's then and this is now.


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/21/2013 11:24:54 AM EST]
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:24:55 PM

Now the e85 is 2.99 per gallon they raised the price 10c in Omaha but up near Valentine they said that e85 was like 3.65 a gallon there so I guess it's not worth using it up there but it is here and I will be sticking to it until oil is cheap again!
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:21:00 PM

JDeano, currently, creating ethanol from corn or wheat is the most economically alternative, since they also produce distillers grains at the same time. If they happen to find something more economical, they will use that method.
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JDeano
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:11:54 AM

Would be more economically viable if an environmentally-sound alternative was found to corn for producing fuel...
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:49:26 AM

For me, it is worth it and I AM!
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trucksixNE
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 11:55:10 PM

Want to use it. Can't find available Hatings, Superior, areas. The $heets!!!!
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 5:14:49 PM

I blend as much ethanol as I can in my Honda CRV without having the emissions light (too much oxygen) come on. I've never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance problem and it saves me money.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 2:59:16 PM

My car is not designed for E85
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thebrohta167
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:31:48 PM

eh, no
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 3:34:08 PM

I have been running E85 over a week now. I buy on the 20% price difference rule.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 3:26:02 PM

Cheapest cost per mile you are referring to, correct? Nothing wrong with that. E-85 is favorable at about a 20% difference. The numbers you post are extremely favorable actually.
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