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gamechanger2011

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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 7:19:58 PM

"Ethanol is cheaper, cleaner and higher performing than gasoline. That is why Big Oil is desperately trying to shut the door on E15. Big Oil knows that on a level playing field, it cannot compete with ethanol. Call the Big Oil Bluff."


Calling Big Oil’s bluff
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 25, 2013 10:15:56 AM

tropical, your link tells alot about where the false, appeal to emotion, argument of food vs. fuel was concocted. In an industrial animal production factory boardroom.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/25/2013 10:18:34 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 25, 2013 10:07:48 AM

"Exactly Hannie. I am posting articles and news that are current. Shocky's posts are not."

Oct 2012 is old news? The last article you posted was written recently but was using information obatained in 2011 and was written by the motely fool no less...
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 25, 2013 7:24:48 AM

"Small engines can't handle the stuff burns them up older cars with carbs can't handle it ether ethanol shrinks rubber parts in the carb."

A false statement for sure!

Still not convinced, just check out rubber and ethanol, and then rubber and gasoline on this compatibility chart.

The "armchair experts" can blow hot air all they want, but I will keep the real experts in my camp.
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 11:07:03 PM

Due to sustained negative returns and artificially low corn prices from 1990-2006, many American farmers became reliant on federal farm program payments to stay afloat. In some years (e.g., 1998, 1999, 2005) farmers still took sizeable losses even after receiving large government payments. Ironically, and as explained in this study by Tufts University, the primary beneficiary of crop subsidies during this time was not the farmer receiving the payment—rather, it was the livestock and poultry industries who were feeding corn priced well below the cost of production. The Tufts study found that from 1997-2005, government payments to corn farmers equated to a subsidy of $11.25 billion to the broiler chicken industry and $8.5 billion to the hog industry. The Tufts study shows companies like Tyson, Pilgrim’s Pride, Smithfield, Goldkist and Conagra saved billions of dollars in feed costs at the taxpayer’s expense. No wonder the livestock and poultry groups want to return to the days of $2 corn!

[Edited by: tropicalmn at 5/24/2013 11:10:22 PM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 6:09:20 PM

"Shockjock's article by the meat producers has been disproven time and time again."
Exactly Hannie. I am posting articles and news that are current. Shocky's posts are not. Old stuff...old news!



[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 5/24/2013 6:11:14 PM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 4:50:09 PM

Shockjock's article by the meat producers has been disproven time and time again.

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 3:51:27 PM

: Studies from both the ethanol and food sectors, all using the same basic methods, show that the economic and jobs impact of the meat and poultry sector is many times that of ethanol production. When corn supplies decline, diverting an essential input such as corn from value-adding meat and poultry production, and into ethanol production, will reduce net economic activity, incomes and jobs. Recent evidence from per capita meat and poultry consumption and jobs data show that reduced supplies of feed have, in fact, damaged the U.S. economy. With corn supplies reduced by drought, economic damage will increase significantly in 2013. The fundamental underlying cause is that corn production has fallen far short of potential food use, exports and the demands of the RFS mandate. The RFS mandate has artificially forced the adjustment to lower corn production onto food producers and export customers. Unless the RFS mandate is reduced or eliminated, economic damage will continue to grow as the RFS grow
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 3:48:18 PM

Ethanol Fact and Fiction Or, How the RFA Distorts Facts
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 10:45:18 AM

darwinfinch...exactly! And what most people don't know is that in many cases livestock have to be fed antibiotics because of their inability to digest corn.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:29:47 AM

RE: "Corn is for food."

Good thing biorefineries only extract the portion of corn useful for making ethanol, then sell the rest as high quality animal feed. Distillers grains are now the #1 animal feed in the U.S. and we even export it. Did you know most livestock aren't built for processing the harsh starches in corn anyway? Ranchers and farmers recognize that the protein and oils found in distillers grain are are more productive way to feed cattle, pigs, chickens, aquaculture, etc.

Corn is for food AND fuel.
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:44:33 AM

Corn is for food.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:14:09 AM

It's the other way around. Ethanol cannot compete with oil. If ethanol were able to compete then there would not be a federally ordered minimum usage mandate for ethanol...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 5/22/2013 9:15:52 AM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 3:34:50 PM

50 Billion reasons to support ethanol
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:23:16 PM

50 Billion Reasons to Support Ethanol
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 6:04:43 PM

gamechanger said "That is why Big Oil is desperately trying to shut the door on E15. Big Oil knows that on a level playing field, it cannot compete with ethanol. Call the Big Oil Bluff."

Tell us how ethanol is going to compete with "Big Oil" that supplies 83Billion barrels/ day of oil to the world?
World wide ethanol fuel prodction is about 0.5 Billion barrels/ day.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 11:32:57 AM

I ran a Craftsman push mower on straight alcohol a few years back. It ran excellent. I used straight Heat out of the red jugs you find on the shelves in the winter as gas line antifreeze. It is pure Isopropyl alcohol. Cleans the fuel system very well and cuts the grass just fine :)
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:03:48 AM

Well, if you rebuild the carbs to handle the alcohol or find one made for it, that should take care of the issue.
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 11:29:49 PM

Small engines can't handle the stuff burns them up older cars with carbs can't handle it ether ethanol shrinks rubber parts in the carb.
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