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Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: May 9, 2013 9:15:51 AM

Who could be against THAT, really?

With an average of more than 25,000 miles driven per vehicle per year, POET’s fleet of flex fuel cars and trucks drive to the moon–and about halfway back–annually. On ethanol blends.

The flex fuel fleet, “just keeps getting better and better,” says Brad Maschino, POET’s Facilities Manager. But it’s the company’s 2011 Buick Regal CXL, with its turbocharged four-cylinder and a compression ratio of a stunning 11.2:1, that “really raises the bar for flex fuel vehicles,” according to Maschino.

“We’re very excited about the new engine developments,” Maschino says. “These are the kinds of cars that will make people realize the benefits of ethanol.”

Maschino says the flex fuel fleet – all American, all available off the lot – has seen an average amount of normal maintenance – tires and alignment mostly. “There are no added costs at all when it comes to repairing flex fuel vehicles,” he says.

And, he says, the flex fuel options just keep coming. “The same motor that is in the Regal comes out in an all-wheel drive version this fall. The Buick Verano (a compact car with the Ecotec engine), will have the same motor but feature higher horsepower and should be out in 2012. That will be a great thing for ethanol.”

Maschino has seen firsthand how the technological advancements of the engines have made ethanol more effective.

“I just wish more people could see it and realize how good these flex fuel vehicles are,” he says. “You can pull up to a pump and use whatever fuel you want–the cars just adjust their mixture accordingly. Really, the only way you would know it’s a flex fuel vehicle is by the yellow cap.”
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Champion Author Iowa

Joined:Oct 2005
Message Posted: May 26, 2013 4:52:01 PM

I have been running E85 for almost 3 weeks now. Keep the gas price up and I will continue to use it.
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All-Star Author Appleton

Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: May 25, 2013 2:09:19 PM

The truth is that American consumers do not choose their fuel. Their fuel is chosen for them, both through Big Oil, and by regulation that gives oil a huge advantage in the marketplace.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/25/2013 2:11:06 PM EST]
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All-Star Author Appleton

Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: May 18, 2013 10:32:36 AM

They claim they are "forced" to use ethanol. Not at all. They are all using gasoline with an oxygenate additive, one of many additives added to 90% gasoline when all is said and done. And they complain about this single additive when it is the best oxygenate available both for their vehicle long term and the environment. And it's just an additive at the level of E-10.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/18/2013 10:35:20 AM EST]
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All-Star Author Appleton

Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: May 18, 2013 10:24:08 AM

James, isn't choice great?

Amazing the number of posters here that detest your ability to choose. That's what ethanol gives you. Simple as that. It is not all the false statements that many post here regularly. It is pure, unadulterated, liquid solar energy that hands down beats petroleum on multiple levels. And you have the choice to use it. Or not. How cool is THAT?

Owning an FFV is much closer to freedom than a car that will only use gasoline.

And yet.... look at all the people that want it to "just be gone". They really must love gasoline and big oil mega machine a great deal to wish that any alternative would disappear.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/18/2013 10:28:06 AM EST]
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Veteran Author Michigan

Joined:Aug 2004
Message Posted: May 13, 2013 9:28:55 PM

My best miles-per-dollar ratio is at about e40 to e50. I splash blend 5 to 8 gallons and alternate e10 and e85, giving me a nice e40 on average. My 2008 3.5 liter Impala gets about 26 mpg on e40. 23 on e85, and 28 on e10. E40 is the best mpg/dollar ratio fuel in my car.

[Edited by: James48843 at 5/13/2013 9:30:25 PM EST]
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Champion Author British Columbia

Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: May 13, 2013 10:44:04 AM

Get rid of ethanol altogether.
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Rookie Author Iowa

Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: May 13, 2013 10:22:00 AM

I own a 2012 FFV. For me use of E-85 is strictly a $$ per mile issue. Even though I would need to refuel more often I would burn E-85 if doing so were cost comparable to burning E-0 premium. At this time it is not even close. IMHO the supposed "advantages" of using E-85 are simple being overhyped in order to justify overcharging.
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Champion Author Oakland

Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: May 12, 2013 7:37:48 AM

How is it that the Buick Regal is all of a sudden break through vehicle?
I thought the Ethanol pumpers were saying that the model T was a FFV.
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All-Star Author Appleton

Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: May 11, 2013 2:50:39 PM

tdioiler, good point. The 2012 Regal was a breakthrough in FFV design, about the best one ever. Prior to that FFVs were very run of the mill and had nothing exciting for auto enthusiasts. They are sweet and really maximize the ethanol like no other design did. Now that we have more high compression engines and GDI, there is no reason most vehicles can't be FFVs and do better on E85 then the prior gen did.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/11/2013 2:53:09 PM EST]
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Champion Author Detroit

Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: May 11, 2013 2:15:25 PM

What I've seen and heard about the LHU, it's a great package. I just wish they would look to package it in some other lighter vehicles so the MPG looks better than is does in the Regal. But Regal is great looking, so I can ignore the lower rating.

For the E85 players, this could be the start of actually getting something out of the ethanol production.
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Champion Author West Virginia

Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: May 11, 2013 3:57:05 AM

Give me pure ethanol and lets skip the gas!
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