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CORNHICK

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:57:37 PM

How much more per gallon would you be willing to pay to get regular gas without 10% ethanol in it. It use to only be 10c more per gallon, went to hyvee today and it costed 16c more per gallon.
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kennyman
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 3:00:51 PM

Not sure.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 10:16:26 AM

Hannie59 would you provide a link to a credible source with credible research that says gasoline without ethanol is crap? And MUCH better for your engines.
Logic and superposition of two bad things would tell you that the combination is worse than either individually. You get the worst of both worlds.
So please provide evidence, not just county fair grandstanding!
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 3:12:25 PM

wepsman thank you for the advice I will consider it I am going to do a fuel test when I get a chance.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 2:34:03 PM

Pure, ethanol free gas is crap.

10% ethanol is much better for your engine. Protect your investment in your car that you worked so hard to pay for. Use ethanol in your fuel!

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 5/15/2013 2:38:51 PM EST]
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 9:33:12 PM

Most times it is .10 more here. I paid it when I had my gas truck. It made a big difference in mileage not using ethanol.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 6:04:07 PM

hey goldseeker quote" I don't wanna ruin my engine with regular gas is that your beautiful corn field right in you profile pic there?
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minookaband
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 10:28:50 PM

up to only a nickel more..
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footinfool
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 4:21:02 PM

i wouldnt pay any more.... zero !!!
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genirose
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 4:09:03 PM

I think we need a new classification for reporting gas prices. Two of our gas stations in town sale No Ethanol gas...one sales it for 20 cents a gallon more than the one with ethanol, the other one sales it for 30 cents a gallon more than the one with ethanol. But all their prices that you can see from the road show only the prices of what is reported. This is in south central Arkansas. Because these No Ethanol pumps are not reported, I think the average price of gas is wrong.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 10:20:04 AM

I'm a capitalist. I'm fuel agnostic.

MPG_E0/MPG_E10 >= $E0/$E10
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 3:01:30 AM

I don't want to ruin my car with straight gas so I think I will stick with the ethanol.
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borsht
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 1:56:19 AM

Wish we could get r90 for only 10c/gal over E10.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 12:38:51 AM

silverstreaker I wish you the best of luck with that
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 9:24:27 AM

CORNHICK, I see you've bought into the big oil propaganda. It's your money, feel free to waste it as you please. I'll save my money by putting as much ethanol into my non-FFV that I can.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 7, 2013 12:56:45 AM

I used the e10 today usually I just use the regular though the 87 but I don't want to ruin my car with ethanol so I think I will stick with the regular next time.
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greydog13
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 10:43:31 PM

It is normally a 10 cent dufference in my area. I do appreciate the choice of E10 and regular around here as I use E10 in vehicles and regular in tractor and yard equipment.
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 3:48:54 PM

My experience says the mileage difference between gasohol and nolead in Iowa is about 2.5%. Price differential should be similar.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 8:59:21 PM

I personally won't pay more than 12c more per gallon for reg. gas if it goes up more than that I will switch to the e10 stuff.
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delgadobb
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 12:43:28 AM

I'd pay 15 cents more per gallon, perhaps 20 if push came to shove. With prices at current levels, it's a minimal incremental cost. I do a lot of cross-country driving (think 5000 mile trips) & my mileage drops 10% (or more) when I use ethanol (I keep extensive records for tax purposes). The worst is Iowa - I dread having to get gas there. One trip I was driving my wife's Prius; up until Iowa I was averaging 49 mpg (!), after filling up in Iowa (Des Moines), the next tank I averaged 36 mpg (bummer). The display in the Prius was in sync with my manual measurements. Starting with the next tank after Iowa, I averaged 48 mpg the rest of the trip. It wasn't just this trip, either - I've consistently seen decreases of 20-25% after filling up in Iowa, so I try to avoid getting gas there if I can help it. If I have to fill up in Iowa, I do whatever I can to find regular gas even if it means having to pay a decent amount extra.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 10:24:46 PM

silverstreaker, typical response from a child of the corn...
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brerrabbitTX
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 2:54:05 PM

From a true economic standpoint (ignoring mpg's, cost of ethanol vs cost of gas, etc) The effects of the RFA has been to effectively raise the cost of clear, non ethanol blended gas. Here's why. The RFA has required ethanol usage and blending by placing mandates on refiners to come up with RIN's for every gallon of gas they refine. The refiners sell their product to people who transport the product through pipelines to terminals for distribution. The actual RIN is created when the gas is blended with the ethanol across the rack into the tank truck. These RIN's are then either used by the blender of record to offset their refinery, or sold on the open market to refiners who are short RIN's and have to go to the open market to buy the ones they need. Keep in mind that a lot of the companies creating RINs are not the ones who need them and therefore are creating something of value that they can sell. As a reult they want to make as many as possible, which means that the easiest way to do that is to jack up the price of clear fuel in areas where it is sold to try and incent people to buy e-10. The more people they get to switch to e-10 the more value they create that they can then sell.

So regardless of any technical data, price differentials, or performance related issues, the exsistence of RIN's have by their very exsistence raised the price of clear fuel. I see it every day.
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cools1611
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 12:38:08 PM

I would pay 15c per gallon
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 9:00:02 PM

reb4, good try. Your first link bases its conclusion solely on refiners blaming ethanol for their price increases.

Your second link is a summary of your third link (which is an actual study), which disputes the refiners claims: "But the MIT paper found that ethanol production has almost no impact on gasoline prices."
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 7:33:43 PM

"Let's see if you can provide any proof to this. Any at all... "

Number 1:

Bloomberg link to news story last month...

Headline: Gasoline Price Inflated by Ethanol in Oil Boom: Energy Markets

By Mario Parker - Mar 21, 2013 9:35 AM

Number 2:
Ethanol Fails to Lower Gas Prices, Study Finds

Article from American Standard - July 18, 2012

Blending ethanol brewed from corn into gasoline stocks is not bringing down fuel prices, an M.I.T. study finds

"The paper critiques earlier studies sponsored by the Renewable Fuels Association (RFA), which found that mixing ethanol with transportation fuel reduced gasoline prices by 89 cents in 2010 and $1.09 in 2011."


Mit report from MIT web site

Abstract from the report:

Ethanol made from corn comprises 10% of US gasoline, up from 3% in 2003. This dramatic increase was spurred by recent policy initiatives such as the Renewable Fuel Standard and state-level blend mandates, and supported by direct subsidies such as the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit. Some proponents of ethanol have argued that ethanol production greatly lowers gasoline prices, with one industry group claiming it reduced gasoline prices by 89 cents in 2010 and $1.09 in 2011. The estimates have
been cited in numerous speeches by Secretary of Agriculture Thomas Vilsack. These estimates are based on a series of papers by Xiaodong Du and Dermot Hayes. We show that these results are driven by implausible economic assumptions and spurious statistical correlations. To support this last point, we use the same statistical models and find that ethanol production “decreases” natural gas prices, but “increases”
unemployment in both the US and Europe. We even show that ethanol production “increases” the ages of our children.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 12:38:25 PM

MertieMan claims "Ethanol was supposed to have brought the prices more in line, but it did just the opposite as it raised them."
Let's see if you can provide any proof to this. Any at all...
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 8:01:52 AM

Ethanol was supposed to have brought the prices more in line, but it did just the opposite as it raised them. We shouldn't have to pay anymore for whole gasoline that we should have a choice in buying, period.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:03:30 PM

isn't e-10 a lot cleaner of a fuel to ?
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:53:09 PM

"Why would anyone pay more for E-0?"
I wouldn't!
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 2:20:05 PM

Why would anyone pay more for E-0?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 1:19:45 AM

I don't want to go back to the days of needing to add gas-line anti-freeze every week in the winter.
Besides, when I take a holiday trip to provinces without E10 in every regular pump, my mileage actually drops a little.
So, personally, I wouldn't be willing to pay even the SAME price for gasoline tainted with different deadly chemicals in place of ethanol, much less pay more.
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