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RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:943 Points:25,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:18:08 PM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse "AAA President & CEO Robert L. Darbelnet testified Tuesday (2/26/2013) before the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology's Subcommittee on Environment that regulators and industry should suspend the sale of E15 gasoline until motorists are better protected. AAA will highlight the inadequate consumer protections and education efforts to date and will express support for additional testing by the National Academy of Sciences."link

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"AAA President & CEO Robert L. Darbelnet testified Tuesday (2/26/2013) before the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology's Subcommittee on Environment that regulators and industry should suspend the sale of E15 gasoline until motorists are better protected. AAA will highlight the inadequate consumer protections and education efforts to date and will express support for additional testing by the National Academy of Sciences."link

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reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,099 Points:1,821,150 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 10:54:38 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse Current Fuel Gauge Report from triple A motor clubAs for the ceo being paid by big oil... I guess that's kinda like EPA and the very (very) close relationship they have with Agriculture and Ethanol industry... When ever I hear EPA, in my mind I relate it to Ethanol Protection Agency...
giwan Veteran Author Michigan Posts:481 Points:87,475 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 10:47:25 AM Ignore giwan Report Abuse I suppose Big Oil paid the CEO of AAA off to have him make this statement. LOL
BigHorne1 Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,492 Points:295,800 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 9:29:18 AM Ignore BigHorne1 Report Abuse I agree and get rid of this product in its entirety, while you are at it.
chuckl95453 Veteran Author California Posts:312 Points:44,975 Joined:Mar 2013	Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:35:38 AM Ignore chuckl95453 Report Abuse yes please, suspend it
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:890 Points:419,050 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:35:32 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse I didn't think there was a E15 mandate, yet. Too much talk about increasing the renewable fuels usage by EPA at all costs. That's what worries me the most; movements for political lobby interest instead of the public safety.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,322 Points:728,160 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 8:29:32 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse Shockjock1961, I know you have used E10 for years. How many ethanol related car failures can you share with us? Let's see if your personal experience matches your articles.
giwan Veteran Author Michigan Posts:481 Points:87,475 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:46:16 PM Ignore giwan Report Abuse good
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:890 Points:419,050 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:37:52 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse Hannie, your earlier comment "There is no evidence that E-15 is bad. NO EVIDENCE. The EPA did an exhaustive study and their sound science around E-15 held up in court. Inadequate testing my @$$, the more true testing that is done the more E-15 is proven over and over again, unless the oil companies do the tests. " is basically a fabrication by you. The court case you mention, what was it? The one I already showed you wasn't a court case decided but thrown out of court. No decision, no review of facts, Nothing. Just like all your other "facts" and "EVIDENCE". Really?? They why couldn't this be an easy decision? Because those who want it badly (the ethanol community) will do anything to get the public screwed! You pay for my car warranty then! Buck up or shut up!
airamtx Rookie Author Houston Posts:82 Points:51,800 Joined:Mar 2013	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:26:16 PM Ignore airamtx Report Abuse I know for sure that my car run less miles when using ethanol.
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,113 Points:2,184,185 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:07:55 PM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine? "Most people realize that all of us burn gasohol—a mixture of gasoline and alcohol—in our cars. Just about every gallon of gas pumped today contains as much as 10 percent domestically produced ethanol. Gummed-up fuel systems, damaged tanks and phase separation caused by stray moisture infiltrating fuel systems have plagued many consumers since this mixture debuted, and the problems will only get worse if government policy to increase the proportion of ethanol to gasoline is implemented"
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,113 Points:2,184,185 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:02:45 PM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse "I blend as much E85 into my non-FFVs as I can to save money. I've found no significant change in mileage at any blend and have never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance issue." You have claimed many things SS, without a shred of proof. Let's see if you can support this recent claim.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,933 Points:2,215,545 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 10:40:48 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse borsht asks "How are E85 pumps designed to prevent placement into car not designed for it? i.e are the dispensers keyed?" I'm glad that labeling is the only difference between an E85 pump and a gas pump. I blend as much E85 into my non-FFVs as I can to save money. I've found no significant change in mileage at any blend and have never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance issue.
bubblehead629 Rookie Author Maine Posts:7 Points:559,365 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 5:54:02 AM Ignore bubblehead629 Report Abuse No ethanol in gas please......
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,588 Points:559,190 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 3:12:05 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse Popular Mechanics - Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,588 Points:559,190 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 2:57:53 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse It was a noble idea that has failed. Time to end the program.
borsht All-Star Author Oakland Posts:790 Points:189,525 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 2:42:35 AM Ignore borsht Report Abuse How are E85 pumps designed to prevent placement into car not designed for it? i.e are the dispensers keyed? If not they shold be. Example, could one fill a rental car with E85?
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:938 Points:482,715 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 5:53:14 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse All Ethanol product should be suspended
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,537 Points:2,717,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 3:59:20 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Thanks krzysiek_ck. I have been splash blending up to E35. I too experienced better throttle response, but a slight drop in mileage on E35. There was no noticeable difference with E20.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,322 Points:728,160 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 3:41:02 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse gougedQC wrote: "including claims that you get better mileage...physically and chemically impossible with ethanol." One of my cars has aftermarket ECU that gives me control over multiple different engine running parameters. I use E35, accomplished by blending, in it and after advancing timing and leaning out the Air/Fuel mixture, this vehicle has same MPGs on E35 as it did on E10. How exactly is it "physically and chemically impossible"? If I can accomplish it, why do you believe OEM manufacturers can not do the same? In my second vehicle, with stock ECU, I'm testing different ethanol mixtures. So far E22, accomplished by blending, gives me same MPGs and better throttle response. How exactly is it "physically and chemically impossible"?
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,130 Points:69,885 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 12:52:09 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse And just how do you know this to be true, since no one is using E15? I use up to E30 and just how do you do that, Goldie? you brewing your own? making it up.?.just like your fantastic and unbelievable results with ethanol? including claims that you get better mileage...physically and chemically impossible with ethanol.
thebrohta167 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,466 Points:235,315 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 10:39:09 AM Ignore thebrohta167 Report Abuse ethanol belongs in drinks, not in gasoline!!!
dsegrist Rookie Author Lansing Posts:37 Points:802,615 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 8:19:53 AM Ignore dsegrist Report Abuse It should be E0!
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:938 Points:482,715 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 7:53:53 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse All Ethanol production should be suspended
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,537 Points:2,717,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 3:29:31 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "E15 is really bad for the small engines & older cars." And just how do you know this to be true, since no one is using E15? I use up to E30 in my cars with no problems. Is there something magical about E15? Or have you fallen to the brainwashing being put out by big oil?
Wanda127 Champion Author Florida Posts:2,494 Points:914,030 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 10:34:23 PM Ignore Wanda127 Report Abuse E15 is really bad for the small engines & older cars. Everyone can not afford or may not want to change cars just because the government wants us to.
borsht All-Star Author Oakland Posts:790 Points:189,525 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 12:17:31 PM Ignore borsht Report Abuse Stupid government regulaters. Evidently since most blender pumps cannot dispence an accurate ratio unless a substantial amount of fuel is purchased they have come out with a four gallon minimum purchase. "EPA Mandates Four-Gallon Minimum at E15 Gas Pumps". http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/22/EPA-s-4-Gallon-Mandate-Exposes-Flaws-in-Renewable-Fuel-Standards
RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:943 Points:25,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 7:12:49 AM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse Goldi asks "Is there an E15 mandate anywhere?" The answer is no but you stated "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere." My question for the third time is "Where in this topic does it mention there is an E15 mandate?"
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,537 Points:2,717,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 3:16:48 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse I am tired of all the hype in this thread. Is there an e15 mandate anywhere? It is a simple yes or no. I do not think there are ten e15 pumps nationwide, and nobody is being forced to use it. The same goes for blender pumps and e85. It is not mandated is it?
stickyvalves Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,270 Points:1,556,745 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 8:36:04 AM Ignore stickyvalves Report Abuse Not real sure why all the hype. E15 is rare to find in IA and NE. I have to really look hard for those pumps. I know where most of them are, but don't use them because of station pricing issues. (Too high!) Since these two state are the leading ethanol producers, here is where the first E15 pumps would be.
RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:943 Points:25,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 7:06:04 AM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse Goldi states "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere." My question is: Where in this topic that I posted does it mention there is an E15 mandate? Hey Goldi, how about answering the simple question? Simple question, simple answer. We're still waiting and getting tired of sifting through your hype and spin answers....
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,537 Points:2,717,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 3:18:41 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "I am for freedom of choice. As long as our Govt mandates Ethanol in our fuel I will be against it. Get rid of the mandates and let the free market reign." I am for free choice too. I want fuel that is not filled with toxins like benzene, toluene, and xylene which are know cancer causing agents that are also very hard on elastomers used in todays engines. I believe that e10 is only mandated in two or three states and e15 - e85 is not mandated anywhere. Creating a thread full of hype and spin is dishonest. And Hannie is right, for AAA like red is just a mouthpiece for the petroleum industry.
RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:943 Points:25,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 7:00:54 PM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse Goldi states "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere." Hannie states "Goldseeker is accurate, not lying." My question is: Where in this topic that I posted does it mention there is an E15 mandate? Now tell me who is accurate and who is lying? Simple question, simple answer. I am for freedom of choice. As long as our Govt mandates Ethanol in our fuel I will be against it. Get rid of the mandates and let the free market reign.
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:585 Points:15,175 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 10:15:13 AM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse Better Protected????? OMG! You want a cleaner better running car, use E-15. And there is no mandate. Goldseeker is accurate, not lying. What you really need protection from, ladies and gents, is Redrider and his cohort's lies and propaganda. Redrider doesn't care about your car. If he did he'd do some research. Redrider wants NO FUEL CHOICE FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. AAA doesn't care about your car! There is no evidence that E-15 is bad. NO EVIDENCE. The EPA did an exhaustive study and their sound science around E-15 held up in court. Inadequate testing my @$$, the more true testing that is done the more E-15 is proven over and over again, unless the oil companies do the tests. Wake up america, you need not continue to support Redrider and his agenda to control you. Delay is the name of the game for petroleum. AAA is absolutely corrupt. Paid by petroleum to say what they say. They will lie to the ends of the earth to scare you from buying anything else but oil derived dirty, carcinogenic gasoline. [Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/27/2013 10:22:25 AM EST]
RedRider1OK All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:943 Points:25,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 9:17:12 AM Ignore RedRider1OK Report Abuse Since there is no mention of an E15 mandate in this thread as Goldi claims there is, who's lying now?
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,537 Points:2,717,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 3:43:16 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an e15 mandate anywhere.
sickhp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,369 Points:515,930 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:26:08 PM Ignore sickhp Report Abuse Our 2012 MKZ has a no E15 logo on the gas area and we need to stop using food in our fuel.