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RedRider1OK

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:18:08 PM

"AAA President & CEO Robert L. Darbelnet testified Tuesday (2/26/2013) before the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology's Subcommittee on Environment that regulators and industry should suspend the sale of E15 gasoline until motorists are better protected. AAA will highlight the inadequate consumer protections and education efforts to date and will express support for additional testing by the National Academy of Sciences."link
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 10:54:38 AM

Current Fuel Gauge Report from triple A motor clubAs for the ceo being paid by big oil...

I guess that's kinda like EPA and the very (very) close relationship they have with Agriculture and Ethanol industry...

When ever I hear EPA, in my mind I relate it to Ethanol Protection Agency...

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giwan
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 10:47:25 AM

I suppose Big Oil paid the CEO of AAA off to have him make this statement. LOL
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 9:29:18 AM

I agree and get rid of this product in its entirety, while you are at it.
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chuckl95453
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:35:38 AM

yes please, suspend it
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:35:32 PM

I didn't think there was a E15 mandate, yet. Too much talk about increasing the renewable fuels usage by EPA at all costs.

That's what worries me the most; movements for political lobby interest instead of the public safety.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 8:29:32 AM

Shockjock1961, I know you have used E10 for years. How many ethanol related car failures can you share with us? Let's see if your personal experience matches your articles.
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giwan
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:46:16 PM

good
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:37:52 PM

Hannie, your earlier comment "There is no evidence that E-15 is bad. NO EVIDENCE. The EPA did an exhaustive study and their sound science around E-15 held up in court. Inadequate testing my @$$, the more true testing that is done the more E-15 is proven over and over again, unless the oil companies do the tests. " is basically a fabrication by you.

The court case you mention, what was it? The one I already showed you wasn't a court case decided but thrown out of court. No decision, no review of facts, Nothing. Just like all your other "facts" and "EVIDENCE". Really?? They why couldn't this be an easy decision? Because those who want it badly (the ethanol community) will do anything to get the public screwed! You pay for my car warranty then!

Buck up or shut up!
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airamtx
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:26:16 PM

I know for sure that my car run less miles when using ethanol.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:07:55 PM

Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?

"Most people realize that all of us burn gasohol—a mixture of gasoline and alcohol—in our cars. Just about every gallon of gas pumped today contains as much as 10 percent domestically produced ethanol. Gummed-up fuel systems, damaged tanks and phase separation caused by stray moisture infiltrating fuel systems have plagued many consumers since this mixture debuted, and the problems will only get worse if government policy to increase the proportion of ethanol to gasoline is implemented"
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:02:45 PM

"I blend as much E85 into my non-FFVs as I can to save money. I've found no significant change in mileage at any blend and have never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance issue."

You have claimed many things SS, without a shred of proof. Let's see if you can support this recent claim.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 10:40:48 AM

borsht asks "How are E85 pumps designed to prevent placement into car not designed for it? i.e are the dispensers keyed?"
I'm glad that labeling is the only difference between an E85 pump and a gas pump. I blend as much E85 into my non-FFVs as I can to save money. I've found no significant change in mileage at any blend and have never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance issue.
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bubblehead629
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 5:54:02 AM

No ethanol in gas please......
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KJC4043
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 3:12:05 AM

Popular Mechanics - Can E15 Gasoline Really Damage Your Engine?
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KJC4043
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 2:57:53 AM

It was a noble idea that has failed. Time to end the program.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 2:42:35 AM

How are E85 pumps designed to prevent placement into car not designed for it? i.e are the dispensers keyed? If not they shold be.
Example, could one fill a rental car with E85?
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 5:53:14 AM

All Ethanol product should be suspended
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 3:59:20 AM

Thanks krzysiek_ck. I have been splash blending up to E35. I too experienced better throttle response, but a slight drop in mileage on E35. There was no noticeable difference with E20.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 3:41:02 PM

gougedQC wrote: "including claims that you get better mileage...physically and chemically impossible with ethanol."

One of my cars has aftermarket ECU that gives me control over multiple different engine running parameters. I use E35, accomplished by blending, in it and after advancing timing and leaning out the Air/Fuel mixture, this vehicle has same MPGs on E35 as it did on E10. How exactly is it "physically and chemically impossible"?

If I can accomplish it, why do you believe OEM manufacturers can not do the same? In my second vehicle, with stock ECU, I'm testing different ethanol mixtures. So far E22, accomplished by blending, gives me same MPGs and better throttle response. How exactly is it "physically and chemically impossible"?
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 12:52:09 PM

And just how do you know this to be true, since no one is using E15? I use up to E30

and just how do you do that, Goldie? you brewing your own? making it up.?.just like your fantastic and unbelievable results with ethanol?

including claims that you get better mileage...physically and chemically impossible with ethanol.
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thebrohta167
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 10:39:09 AM

ethanol belongs in drinks, not in gasoline!!!
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dsegrist
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 8:19:53 AM

It should be E0!
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 7:53:53 AM

All Ethanol production should be suspended
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 3:29:31 AM

"E15 is really bad for the small engines & older cars."

And just how do you know this to be true, since no one is using E15? I use up to E30 in my cars with no problems. Is there something magical about E15? Or have you fallen to the brainwashing being put out by big oil?
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 10:34:23 PM

E15 is really bad for the small engines & older cars. Everyone can not afford or may not want to change cars just because the government wants us to.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 12:17:31 PM

Stupid government regulaters.
Evidently since most blender pumps cannot dispence an accurate ratio unless a substantial amount of fuel is purchased they have come out with a four gallon minimum purchase.

"EPA Mandates Four-Gallon Minimum at E15 Gas Pumps".

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/22/EPA-s-4-Gallon-Mandate-Exposes-Flaws-in-Renewable-Fuel-Standards
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 7:12:49 AM

Goldi asks "Is there an E15 mandate anywhere?" The answer is no but you stated "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere." My question for the third time is "Where in this topic does it mention there is an E15 mandate?"
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 3:16:48 AM

I am tired of all the hype in this thread. Is there an e15 mandate anywhere? It is a simple yes or no. I do not think there are ten e15 pumps nationwide, and nobody is being forced to use it. The same goes for blender pumps and e85. It is not mandated is it?
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stickyvalves
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 8:36:04 AM

Not real sure why all the hype. E15 is rare to find in IA and NE. I have to really look hard for those pumps. I know where most of them are, but don't use them because of station pricing issues. (Too high!)

Since these two state are the leading ethanol producers, here is where the first E15 pumps would be.
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 7:06:04 AM

Goldi states "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere."

My question is: Where in this topic that I posted does it mention there is an E15 mandate?

Hey Goldi, how about answering the simple question? Simple question, simple answer. We're still waiting and getting tired of sifting through your hype and spin answers....
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 3:18:41 AM

"I am for freedom of choice. As long as our Govt mandates Ethanol in our fuel I will be against it. Get rid of the mandates and let the free market reign."

I am for free choice too. I want fuel that is not filled with toxins like benzene, toluene, and xylene which are know cancer causing agents that are also very hard on elastomers used in todays engines.

I believe that e10 is only mandated in two or three states and e15 - e85 is not mandated anywhere.

Creating a thread full of hype and spin is dishonest.

And Hannie is right, for AAA like red is just a mouthpiece for the petroleum industry.
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 7:00:54 PM

Goldi states "This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an E15 mandate anywhere."

Hannie states "Goldseeker is accurate, not lying."

My question is: Where in this topic that I posted does it mention there is an E15 mandate?

Now tell me who is accurate and who is lying? Simple question, simple answer.

I am for freedom of choice. As long as our Govt mandates Ethanol in our fuel I will be against it. Get rid of the mandates and let the free market reign.
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 10:15:13 AM

Better Protected????? OMG!

You want a cleaner better running car, use E-15. And there is no mandate. Goldseeker is accurate, not lying.

What you really need protection from, ladies and gents, is Redrider and his cohort's lies and propaganda. Redrider doesn't care about your car. If he did he'd do some research. Redrider wants NO FUEL CHOICE FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.

AAA doesn't care about your car! There is no evidence that E-15 is bad. NO EVIDENCE. The EPA did an exhaustive study and their sound science around E-15 held up in court. Inadequate testing my @$$, the more true testing that is done the more E-15 is proven over and over again, unless the oil companies do the tests. Wake up america, you need not continue to support Redrider and his agenda to control you.

Delay is the name of the game for petroleum. AAA is absolutely corrupt. Paid by petroleum to say what they say. They will lie to the ends of the earth to scare you from buying anything else but oil derived dirty, carcinogenic gasoline.



[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/27/2013 10:22:25 AM EST]
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 9:17:12 AM

Since there is no mention of an E15 mandate in this thread as Goldi claims there is, who's lying now?
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 3:43:16 AM

This thread is all based on lies, as there never has been an e15 mandate anywhere.
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sickhp
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 9:26:08 PM

Our 2012 MKZ has a no E15 logo on the gas area and we need to stop using food in our fuel.
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