SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 3:01:43 PM
Here's a quote from a 2013 Ford F150 pickup (includes FFV engine): Vehicles with a 3.5L, 3.7L or 5.0L engine, are equipped with the Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor (IOLM) system which shows a message in the information display at the proper oil change service interval. This interval may be up to one year or 10000 miles (16000 kilometers). When ENGINE OIL CHANGE DUE or OIL CHANGE REQUIRED appears in the information display, it’s time for an oil change; the oil change must be done within two weeks or 500 miles (800 kilometers) of the ENGINE OIL CHANGE DUE or OIL CHANGE REQUIRED message appearing. The
Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor must be reset after each oil change.
I saw nothing in the entire maintenance section about special intervals for et85.
My Tahoe is the same for gasoline and E85.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 2:13:53 PM
ethanol sucks
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 1:58:24 PM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "blatant lying? Hardly..."
Another lie by Shockjock1961 AKA "The Liar". The list is getting longer by the minute.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 1:52:32 PM
"do you think all the ethanol supporters who post to counteract your blatant lying are involved with Ag?"
blatant lying? Hardly...
Why do you assume that anyone who opposes the propaganda put out by you, the ACE and corn producers, and who wish to have the facts exposed, are working for big oil?
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 2/5/2013 1:53:34 PM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:53:53 PM
Shockjock, do you think all the ethanol supporters who post to counteract your blatant lying are involved with Ag? Do you think we care if it's made from corn, salt, or space gas? No. It is because of those like you who lie constantly to protect oil's single monopoly in transportation when ethanol is far superior in every way to petroleum.
It's just to stop the false slanderous information by those who want ethanol to go away so they can continue their monopoly.
I have said it before. I am always defending the truth or positively promoting, you on the other hand, want me to only have access to pure gas. Why is that?
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/5/2013 12:59:04 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:10:39 PM
New research shows additional damage from E15
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 2/5/2013 12:12:29 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:09:48 PM
I might add taht I have checked out the owners manual for my sisters FFV and the oil intervals prescribed are shorter if you use E85 predominantly..
Seems like there is some substance behind what the mechanic told me...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:08:11 PM
"The overwhelming byproduct of ethanol oxidation in a car engine is carbon dioxide and water."
The mechanic I talked to said nothing about formic acid being a byproduct of the combustion of ethanol.
" The parts are exactly the same!"
Once agin I will take the word of a ford certified mechanic over that of a gas buddy blogger any day...
"There is no "special" parts for FFVs"
Yet the mechanic I talked to says differently...
"Which oil company do you work for?"
I might ask which Big Ag or ethanol producer do you work for?
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 12:02:43 PM
OMG SHOCKJOCK! How do you sleep at night?
The parts are exactly the same! There is no "special" parts for FFVs., save the control mudule. This has been proven and I have linked to it several times!
Which oil company do you work for?
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/5/2013 12:03:41 PM EST]
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 11:15:23 AM
Your mechanic needs tp brush up on his organic chemistry. The intermediate products you mentioned are, primarily, seen in photo, enzymatic, and biochemical reactions. The overwhelming byproduct of ethanol oxidation in a car engine is carbon dioxide and water.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:57:37 AM
I talked to a Ford mechanic about FFV's. He told me that Ford requires shorter oil change intervals with FFV's that use E-85 on more then a 50% basis. Why? Because when using ethanol formic acid becomes an issue, which fairly quickly depletes the additives in oil that neutralize acid. In fact formic acid becomes such a problem that FFV's have to have a special nitride coating added to all of their internal engine parts in an effort to resist the additional wear that the acid causes...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 2/5/2013 11:01:44 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:42:25 AM
"Grumpy, the public hates it because they believe the lies"
Actually the public hates it because they can see through the propaganda put out by the ACE and the corn producers..
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 7:55:42 PM
Grumpy, the public hates it because they believe the lies. You just can't stop big oil, even with truth and facts. I hope you enjoy your gas and oil's ownership of you forever. It's folks like you who have bought the lie that seem to love to perpetuate it.
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/4/2013 7:57:23 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 7:54:49 PM
GrumpyCat wrote: "The public hates it. Just look at this week's survey at this site."
Sounds like someone is patting himself/herself on the back for a job well done on spreading misinformation.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 5:07:21 PM
"The gov't loves it and the public loves it, so it's all good news."
The public hates it. Just look at this week's survey at this site.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 8:32:24 AM
"Its a shell game. An E85 FFV vehicle gets falsely inflated virtual MPG for use in CAFE averages to meet clueless Obama's pie in the sky."
Regardless, the NET emissions with ethanol are 60% less than gasoline. Because, 100% of the carbon in ethanol comes from the atmosphere and only 40% of the net energy to make it is assumed to be petroleum, it really is a much "cleaner" fuel, if you buy into the global warming thing.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 7:50:29 AM
GrumpyCat - I believe that the car makers are chasing the CAFE numbers because of gov't standards but I expect that they may also have to put a bit extra into these vehicles to handle the higher alcohol blends in the E85 fuels.
The gov't loves it and the public loves it, so it's all good news.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:22:45 PM
Yawn.
Its a shell game. An E85 FFV vehicle gets falsely inflated virtual MPG for use in CAFE averages to meet clueless Obama's pie in the sky.
If one gets 30 MPG on E0 and 20 MPG on E85 then 49 MPG is used for the CAFE average.
How is this? Only the *gasoline* content is counted in E85. Then it is assumed one uses E85 half the time.
20 MPG is 0.05 gallons/mile, but only 0.0075 gallons of gasoline (133 MPG).
30 MPG is 0.0333 gallons/mile
Total is 0.04083 gallons of gasoline for 2 miles which is 48.9796 MPG and the number used for CAFE.
It is much easier to make an FFV than to achieve the fool's CAFE average honestly.
[Edited by: GrumpyCat at 2/3/2013 11:25:28 PM EST]
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 9:39:17 PM
Yeah Talon, looks like in Ford's case, they downsized the sedans and SUV's engines, like by one step. The Explorer now has the Escape's displacement size of the past, etc, in which case they were already doing these engines as FFV.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 8:12:29 PM
If they don't get the Escape back on that list by 2016, I'm gonna be looking pretty hard at the GMC Terrain or Chevy Equinox. :(
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