13Octane
Champion Author
Tucson
Posts:2,147
Points:332,165
Joined:Aug 2005
|
Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 7:37:52 PM
the auto industry will be bankrupt in 10 years due to no one having a job so it doesnt matter what we day here
|
krzysiek_ck
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:5,317
Points:727,185
Joined:Apr 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 9:25:44 AM
At the same time, I'm still waiting for the answer Shockjock1961.
Shockjock1961 wrote: "GM and ford have modified their newer vehicles to make them compatible with E15."
What exactly did Fort and GM modified in their newer vehicles?
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:13:36 PM
Obviously even the RFA has come to the realization that ethanol is a non-viable fuel if the mandate is revoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to resort to this propaganda campaign to keep their bread buttered...
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:12:24 PM
Sure Ford and GM are allowing you to use e15 in their newest vehicle. I'm still waiting you for you to show me where they state RECOMMEND E15, like you originally posted....
I'm waiting...
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:10:12 PM
Yep, and the link i provided said they modified their vehicles to run on E15. what the modifications are, well you'll have to inquire Ford and GM on that one...
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 12:06:10 PM
From the link that I found and REb4 is using.
--"Ford made the decision late last year to allow owners of 2013 vehicles to use E15 and will allow the fuel in vehicles as old as model year 2010. The automaker has started placing labels in the fuel filter area that say blends of up to 15% ethanol are acceptable in new, non-flex fuel vehicles."
What modification did they make to retroactively allow owners to use E15 as far back as 2010 model years. Model years 2010 were released in August or 2009. Not saying that modifications weren't made back in 2009 but no proof that there were.
|
reb4
Champion Author
Chicago
Posts:19,092
Points:1,820,175
Joined:Sep 2004
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:52:39 AM
representatives of Ford and GM are indicating that they did modify them.
Representatives of Ford and GM are indicating NOT to use fuels that exceed e10 in older models of non ffv's.
Quotes from Manufacturer's representatives can be found here:
|
krzysiek_ck
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:5,317
Points:727,185
Joined:Apr 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:31:20 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "Show me a factual site which states that Ford and GM recommend E15..."
At the same time I am still waiting for you, Shockjock1961, back up your statement with a factual information.
What exactly did Fort and GM modified in their newer vehicles?
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:28:08 AM
"I provided plenty of links Shocky!"
Nah, you provided links showing that the RFA propaganda web sites stating that Ford and GM "recommended" E15, when the truth of the matter is that they simply approved it in their newest vehicles.
Show me a factual site which states that Ford and GM recommend E15...
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 10:31:59 AM
I provided plenty of links Shocky! Reb4 even used one of my sources on another thread. Are you saying that GM and Ford never approved E15 for their newer models? Kind of a silly argument don't you think?
|
krzysiek_ck
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:5,317
Points:727,185
Joined:Apr 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 9:58:54 PM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "You didn't provide any links to prove your erroneous claim that Ford and GM "recommends" E15, so what's your point?"
I have asked you first, so where is your link. Do you have a point?
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 9:07:22 PM
"krzysiek....notice he hasn't provided proof or links to his claim that GM and Ford modified vehicles to run on E15."
You didn't provide any links to prove your erroneous claim that Ford and GM "recommends" E15, so what's your point?
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 7:59:45 PM
krzysiek....notice he hasn't provided proof or links to his claim that GM and Ford modified vehicles to run on E15. Not a peep out of him on that thread since we asked.
|
krzysiek_ck
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:5,317
Points:727,185
Joined:Apr 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 7:53:43 PM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "And as I previously stated, GC, I've done far more then simply send in a pre-filled e-mail..."
Then prove it. So far we all have learned that your motto is: whine, spin, half-truths, and lies.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 10/7/2012 7:55:20 PM EST]
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 6:14:06 PM
"Sent my e-mail in Shocky!"
And as I previously stated, GC, I've done far more then simply send in a pre-filled e-mail...
|
tomintx
All-Star Author
Dallas
Posts:744
Points:80,235
Joined:Nov 2005
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 6:11:46 PM
Link directly to US EPA for your own comments, unfiltered by industry.
|
tomintx
All-Star Author
Dallas
Posts:744
Points:80,235
Joined:Nov 2005
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 6:08:56 PM
I am writing to you today to strongly encourage your approval of the waiver requests for the Renewable Fuel Standard by the governors of Arkansas and North Carolina.
Since its adoption, the RFS program has not played any role in reducing oil imports, nor has it lowered gas prices, improved air quality, or done anything other than damage food security for millions of Americans.
Nationally, the RFS has proved amazingly successful for ethanol producers and no one else.
From state to state, community to community, the negative economic impacts have been felt in many ways. The RFS has encouraged billions in wasteful investments, causing companies to build unnecessary facilities which did nothing other than convert food into fuel.
So called "Renewable fuels" represent an unnecessary diversion of valuable resources away from important parts our economy. The continuation of this pointless mandate serves only to enrich the producers of ethanol, at the expense of the entire country. I strongly urge you to grant the waiver requests before you.
Thank you.
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 4:33:34 PM
Sent my e-mail in Shocky!
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 4:17:39 PM
"Someone is too busy posting on this site to compose an Email to the EPA"
Would that someone be you GC?
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 3:43:32 PM
This is actually the Renewable Fuel Standards, the RFS...not the RFA. Just realized my typo! My bad.
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 3:14:22 PM
Exactly krzysiek! This is an opportunity to leave comments for the EPA! Someone is too busy posting on this site to compose an Email to the EPA.
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 10/7/2012 3:14:44 PM EST]
|
krzysiek_ck
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:5,317
Points:727,185
Joined:Apr 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 11:15:43 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "I've done far more then send in a letter..."
What exactly have you done? So far I have only seen you whining on this forum and nothing else.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 10/7/2012 11:16:12 AM EST]
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 7:12:41 PM
"Send your letters in guys!"
I've done far more then send in a letter...
|
reb4
Champion Author
Chicago
Posts:19,092
Points:1,820,175
Joined:Sep 2004
|
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 3:46:29 PM
"whine" no, the article indicates ethanol industry is going to wine and dine them...
"All talk you two!" - no, I am just posting... no talk here...
[Edited by: reb4 at 10/6/2012 3:47:54 PM EST]
|
gamechanger2011
Champion Author
Wichita
Posts:1,529
Points:54,240
Joined:Jun 2011
|
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 3:38:06 PM
Send your letters in guys! Or do you just like to whine and moan about it? All talk you two!
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 10/6/2012 3:38:24 PM EST]
|
reb4
Champion Author
Chicago
Posts:19,092
Points:1,820,175
Joined:Sep 2004
|
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 1:36:46 PM
Ethanol, Facing Difficult Political Atmosphere, Steps up Lobbying ActivityThe Ethanol Protection Agency will be wined and dined and magically determine that there is no need for a waiver...
|
Shockjock1961
Champion Author
Illinois
Posts:20,107
Points:2,183,210
Joined:Apr 2006
|
Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 10:09:52 AM
Thanks for posting proof positive that if it were not for the government FORCING the public to use ethanol the industry would go belly up!
Thanks for also proving that the ethanol producers are more concerned about their pocket book then they are about hunger through out the world, or increasing the pressure on the poor through higher food prices...
|