GarRafFra
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 3:55:41 PM
What I say is go with safe for us all or just take the smaller vehicles off the roads.
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 12:36:47 AM
Get rid of it!
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:34:39 PM
huskers8780, you got that right! Welcome to GasBuddys!
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huskers8780
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 8:20:34 AM
Again the corn they use for ethonol was not and will never be used for food. It is feed for cattle thats it. Even after making the ethonal they still feed the cattle with the product after ethonal is made. 2 birds 1 stone. All this food talk has to stop.
[Edited by: huskers8780 at 11/29/2012 8:21:51 AM EST]
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 2:49:57 AM
We need more ethanol and less gas.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 9:44:01 AM
Ethanol is simply a product of corrupt government. Money from the corn and ethanol lobby has bought them the "right" to force the American public to use a product the vast majority don't want.
Welcome to the Corporate controlled Federal Government...
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 8:57:24 AM
Out with the ethanol. With many area in drought conditions we need all the food we can get.
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drmadison78
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 10:19:23 AM
i think it is distorting the food prices
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firefly09
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 12:23:17 AM
Get rid of it!!!
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2012 8:11:02 AM
"Ethanol is being made from sugar cane by Shell in South America and being shipped into the U.S. Do not know if this is any better then corn, but it would stop the corn waste if it is any good"
Corn waste? Let's take a step back and look at the science, what is actually produced, and how the markets work.
Ethanol is made from carbohydrate or the sugar part of both corn and sugar cane. Corn contains three components: protein, carbohydrate, and fat. Sugar cane on the other hand contains, primarily, carbohydrate. Both produce about the same amount of ethanol. 600 gallons per acre. But, the similarities stop there.
While sugar cane only produces ethanol, corn produces ethanol and animal feed. During the production process, almost two tons of distillers grains are produced, as well as corn oil. Since corn is made of protein and fat, as well as carbohydrate, the food value is not lost. It's not an either or situation.
From a logistics standpoint, the primary reason ethanol producers use corn in the US to make ethanol is the US grows corn, not sugar cane. If the US has vast ranges of fertile soil in tropical climate, more ethanol would be made from sugar cane. But, we don't. US farmers grow corn. In fact we grow so much corn, we produce a surplus each and every year. again, the USDA pays US farmers NOT TO GROW crops.
One of the largest misconceptions is that people outside the ag industry view corn as a static commodity. Grain production in the US has doubled in the past 40 years. When adjusted for inflation, the price of corn has deflated by 66%. Yes, I said deflated. Had corn kept up with inflation, the current price would be over $15 a bushel from the outrageous 1974 price of $3.25. Corn sells for $7.50 today. Even at todays prices, corn is a cheap commodity.
We have a long ways to go, before demand exceeds production. If demand increases, US farmers will simply supply more corn.
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outlaw329
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2012 1:45:31 AM
Ethanol is being made from sugar cane by Shell in South America and being shipped into the U.S. Do not know if this is any better then corn, but it would stop the corn waste if it is any good. Shell being behind it might be a good thing.
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 6:43:27 PM
The primary benefit of using ethanol as a fuel is it is made from domestically produced raw materials (corn and natural gas). The US is a surplus producer of corn and other grain. For decades, US farmers have produced more grain than could be sold. In addition, the USDA pays farmers not to grow crops on almost 40 million acres of US farmland.
Aside the rhetoric about low energy content, ethanol is a high grade fuel. The octane rating of 100% ethanol is 113. This property allows the fuel to burn with less air and higher compression without detonation. What that means to you is a pound of ethanol can be burned at a higher temperature than gasoline. This high octane rating also allows oil companies to blend lower octane gasoline and ethanol to produce 87 octane fuel. This means the oil supply is extended more than one to one.
US motorists burned 14 billion gallons of ethanol last year. That's 10% of our transportation fuel. That quantity is large enough to significantly decrease what you pay at the pump.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2012 1:38:20 PM
@DRobNC -- Ethanol or ethyl alcohol is added to gas to "oxygenate" it. The effect is to reduce CO emissions. Ethanol replaced methy-t-butylether which was found to be leaching into and polluting ground water.
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 9:56:47 AM
It is just the oil industries way of cutting back in order to make or should I say steal more money from us.
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