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meathead6935

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2012 8:37:52 AM

I find the listing of stations that carry the ethanol free but is there also a site that relates the current pricing? If so help me out please. I have to go out of my way in my area to seek the stations out so I would like to know the costs or thereabouts ahead of time.
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dgsteven
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 3:13:50 AM

maybe
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twopairAL
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:09:19 PM

i did the math and i save over 600.00 from running ethanol free gas fro 10k miles. To answer the question: yes you do get better mileage.
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Mr1lung
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 3:02:17 PM

Don't know
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moregas1966
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 6:51:12 PM

dont nown
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thuathienhue
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 3:35:26 AM

maybe
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TimWitt
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:15:46 PM

dont know
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ber5
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 8:11:49 PM

AngryCubera, what is the actual mpg? That would be of interest to me.

I'm surprised Buffalo has ethanol free gasoline...
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hatterasjack
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:06:29 AM

www.pure-gas.org is the only one I know of. Two more stations around here just added non-ethanol gas. The last one has 87 on all 12 pumps! Prices are all over the place, but most tend to be a reasonable 10% more. I know which ones are rip offs and stay away. It's great to have this tool to find ethanol alternatives.
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 12:39:42 PM

krzysiek_ck wrote "What exact model are you driving? I could not figure it out since none of them are rated more than 27 MPG on the highway"



It’s a magic Cadillac that only exists in AngryCubera own mind. 2013 was the first year a 4 cylinder rated at 33 miles highway was available in the caddy yet he implies his is at least two years older. Wind speed, temperature or other driving conditions apparently have no effect on his fuel economy. He dreamt up the 25% reduction from 33 to 25 in fuel economy based on a fed website for E85 despite the fact stating that he’s using E10 that fed site state’s only a possible 4% reduction in fuel economy. His claim to have a boat that goes 25% less far on E10 is equally all wet.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 9:01:11 AM

""I couldn't believe my onboard computer was actually reading 33 MPG on the highway again!"

Just a suggestion. Ethanol is about 10% more viscous than regular gasoline. So, to deliver the same volume of fuel the injectors will pulse about 15% more times with ethanol. Your car is calibrated to regular gasoline. Since your car's computer doesn't know which fuel is in the car, it is going to interpret those extra pulses as more fuel delivered.

If you want to compare differences in fuel used you will have to use a pencil or ,if "math is hard", a calculator.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 11:12:32 AM

AngryCubera wrote: "I couldn't believe my onboard computer was actually reading 33 MPG on the highway again! I haven't seen my computer show anything over 25 MPG in about two years since the last big station in my area started putting 10% filler in mix."

Fuel Economy of 2011 Cadillac Vehicles or
Fuel Economy of 2010 Cadillac Vehicles or
Fuel Economy of 2009 Cadillac Vehicles

What exact model are you driving? I could not figure it out since none of them are rated more than 27 MPG on the highway.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 12/1/2012 11:17:43 AM EST]
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 8:02:50 AM

And then?
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AngryCubera
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 6:30:42 PM

To answer your question Meathead6935,

I have an iPhone so I will be using the GasBuddy app and the Pure-Gas.org app in unison when traveling. For now, I only have one station in my immediate area that hasn't switched over to the 10% ethanol formulation. Is seems most of the big oil companies around me like to put the 10% filler in because it forces you to come back to their pumps more frequently which means more profit for them. (Not unlike the visions of gold that all of the ethanol/corn investors on this forum have that push the stuff. -The more ethanol you are forced to buy, the more they make.) Its kind of like going to the store for a dozen eggs and getting home to find out two of the eggs have been replaced with two empty plastic Easter eggs.

Luckily, there are a few honest stations still out there that haven't been regulated out of existence and aren't gouging the public. Its nice to still have a choice, but I fear the ethanol industry is gaining traction and will soon stomp freedom of choice out of existence. Its all about robbing from Peter to pay Paul for votes.
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twt
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 8:14:44 AM

Do it.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 3:08:04 AM

Yep, we need gas free ethanol.
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DirtDauber
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 1:20:36 AM

Bring it on.
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billduhkid
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 12:28:10 AM

that is so hard to belive.
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 9:47:15 AM

Here is another Web site for information on ethanol free.

PureGas.org Web site.
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 9:39:43 AM

I have found Marathon's Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) list on their Web site. I have a .pdf of that list now on my Web Site. You can look at all their grades of gas they sell. You will find a line in the ethanol grades that says Ethyl Alcohol 5.7-10%.
All technical stuff if your interested in this type of information.

Marathon gasoline MSDS list.
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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 9:09:38 AM

One of my stations stopped selling diesel. I talked to the manager and he told me they were having the tank cleaned and after the first of the year would be selling R90 ethanol free gasoline. The station is:
MARATHON
2128 SANTA BARBARA BLVD S
CAPE CORAL, FL 33990
I will try to keep this site posted on the progress of this change.
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vortecpowr
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 7:06:33 PM

The site is a little misleading. A lot of the sellers are marinas... with gas docks, not drive-up pumps. And I recognized several more northern dealers that sell non-ethanol gas, but it's for off-highway use (atv/ snowmobile/ etc), so it does not have the federal highway gas tax on it and is supposed to be illegal to buy for your passenger cars/trucks.

I would actually like to see more non-ethanol pumps and let the buyers choose what to fill with... I'd be spending the extra pennies for pure gas.
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AngryCubera
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:22:58 AM

pure-gas.org

Thank you so much for this website!!! I had to take my wife and kids on a long trip for the holiday and my tank was almost empty. I couldn't believe it but I was actually able to find a station in my area that sold pure gasoline using that website! Hooo-Rah! I couldn't believe my onboard computer was actually reading 33 MPG on the highway again! I haven't seen my computer show anything over 25 MPG in about two years since the last big station in my area started putting 10% filler in mix.

THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!
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Bodine2u
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 7:26:17 AM

Conventional gas is ethanol free, better for engines and better milage. Ethanol is proven to damage engines and fuel systems.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 3:17:31 AM

Actually pure ethanol would be better.
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AFTSGTRETIRED
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 1:06:46 PM

Isn't ethanol in all gasoline in at least a 10% mix whether or not it is listed as an ingredient on the pump?
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69mustang
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:40:05 PM

2 stations near me. 3.59
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01DuraMAX
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:49:54 PM

Ethanol Free gas can be found at Pure-Gas.Org problem is they don't show the price unless someone posts it on the site. In my area it is 4.79 a gallon where ethanol cann be had for 3.25. If there was more demand I think the price could drop. I have been told that even though the price ids higher the MPG is better, may give it a try in my Honda. Discussion at my Puget Sound Anglers meeting last week says that they ONLY use Ethanol free in outboard motors due to ethanol causing big problems.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:21:03 PM

I haven't seen any. Not looking but if it was cheaper and available, i'd use it. In Calif i think it's ok only for marine or specialized use. Motors that won't work on Ethanol.
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Dreamer4one5
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 5:59:10 AM

We have found all of ONE station near us that is ethanol free and they are usually 10-20 cents higher than other stations. I used pure-gas.org to find the stations but it doesn't list the prices.
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Norm1947
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 1:46:02 AM

None around me.
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twt
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 6:33:44 AM

None in my area.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:45:25 AM

NO ethanol free gas stations in my area too. Plus, when they change the blends from summer to winter, most vehicles you will see effects you for a fillup or two. If you really understand your vehicle you will see it. This is stupid, since it effects the longevity of your motor.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2012 1:31:38 PM

mls40orn01 wrote: "We need to expose the government for promoting ethanol through tax breaks, subsidizing ethanol production."

Feel free to list all the federal subsidies for ethanol production.

mls40orn01 wrote: "as well as corrosion and damage caused to our engines from using ethanol."

Feel free to list all your Ethanol related engine repairs. At the same time, can you tell me the reason why there are corrosion inhibitors used in ethanol-free gasoline?
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Lilly02
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2012 1:09:14 PM

There is no ethanol free sources in my area
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kiosk12y
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2012 12:38:58 PM

corn & gas have been in bed w/ each other for years & years, it hit he spot light in early 2008...if your state makes it easier to find, then the no corn ethanol that's a state issue or it's a choice by your local station(s)...
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mls40orn01
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2012 3:31:48 AM

We need to expose the government for promoting ethanol through tax breaks, subsidizing ethanol production. At our expense at the pumps, through use of our tax money and decreased fuel efficiency in our vehicles as well as corrosion and damage caused to our engines from using ethanol.
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CobraJ
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 8:21:54 AM

There doesn't seem to be any other sites, other than pure-gas.org, that posts prices on non ethanol gasoline. On Pure-gas, some people post prices in the details section, but they don't post as frequently as they do on this site. The best thing to do is to make a suggestion to the gas buddy admin to see if they can add a new section for members to post specifically non ethanol gasoline prices. I believe someone has posted a suggestion already in the "Suggest a web site improvement" section.



[Edited by: CobraJ at 8/23/2012 8:25:13 AM EST]
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teebone1234
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2012 3:22:16 AM

okay
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