Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 10:15:41 AM
If you haven't seen it already, the renewal fuels association is pretty much admitting that the only way that ethanol producers are staying in business is due to the Federal usage mandate. They admit this in a petition they have set up on site which begs the Feds to not to wave the RFA waiver due to the fact that without it the industry would collapse...
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 8:07:57 AM
High time indeed.
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73amx
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2012 11:27:42 AM
how much would it help?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 10:34:21 PM
"These bio waste and excess products are now able to produce muli-million gallon volume production of ethnaol DIRT CHEAP!!"
LOL!!
Things like this have been claimed for decades, and yet still virtually no ethanol is being produced from these sources, even today...
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 4:52:48 PM
tmc8080, as much as I would like to believe you, I haven't seen any evidence of it. Can you provide a useful link(copy and paste the whole thing)?
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tmc8080
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 1:34:42 PM
Apparently, most people are MISINFORMED.. there is a transformation underway in HOW the bulk of ethanol is produced!! It is not just being produced by feed stock and edible corn and soy, but from other sources including algae, biomass including municipal waste water and solid waste!! These bio waste and excess products are now able to produce muli-million gallon volume production of ethnaol DIRT CHEAP!! Stop spewing the lies of he OIL industry who wants you to believe this transformation is not happening! If left to the current cycle of municipalities getting onboard, in 10 years we will produce enough biomass & waste ethanol equal to HALF what we currently utilize in gasoline (less the efficiency margin). In 25 years, we could replace refined gasoline AND ethanol for hydrogen fuel cell technology and just use ethanol for cheaper electricity production-- completely eliminating (phase-out) CRUDE OIL from the mix of products we use..
Do some research before echoing the oil industry's attempt to sabotage competition-- unknowingly convincing the USA it should pay higher and higher gas prices..
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 1:34:18 PM
What does Ethanol have to do with low milk prices in California, Shockjock1961?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 10:29:37 AM
Calif dairies going broke due to feed, milk prices
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 1:18:00 PM
yes. remove ethanol...permanently.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 5:35:10 AM
You are right GM, latest futures project $7.16. The sky has definitely not fallen.
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 7:29:13 PM
"LOL! It is??? "
Yes, shockjock, corn prices are actually coming down. The information in your article is a month old. Corn yields are better than expected and soybean yeilds (a substiture for corn protien) will be much better than expected.
Cash bBids
At the first of the month corn sold for more than $8. Now it's $7.50 and below.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 5:10:37 PM
"And actually, the price is coming down."
LOL! It is???
Shrinking U.S. grain supply shocks market, prices surge
"Corn futures surged nearly 6 percent on the Chicago Board of Trade after the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported corn stocks on September 1 were below 1 billion bushels for the first time in eight years. Wheat futures rose more than 5 percent, topping $9 a bushel after the data showed stockpiles were 7 percent less than forecast.
The ending-stock figures showed that record-high corn prices during the quarter had failed to put as big a dent in demand as analysts expected, suggesting that prices may need to rise higher still in the coming months to ration demand amid heightened competition for food, livestock feed and ethanol."
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 2:18:06 AM
Actually corn is a commodity that is traded worldwide. Many countries are experiencing an increase with this years corn crop which will indeed temper the market somewhat.
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ber5
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:26:28 PM
And actually, the price is coming down. As farmers are starting to pick corn, things weren't as bad as once thought. Furthermore, soybeans could produce a significant upside. Surplus of bean meal, a little less corn, the market will sort things out.
GM1954, isn't price usually lower when crop begins to come in???
as far as not being as bad, I like your anaylsis
corn soybean harvests going well....
"Approximately 51 percent of the corn was in poor or very poor condition, up from 50 percent a week earlier, the USDA said.
About 35 percent of the nation’s soybeans were rated good or excellent as of yesterday, up from 33 percent a week earlier, the USDA said. "
Guess gotta look at the bright side...
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maryph1958
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 10:11:22 AM
yes do that
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DucatiRider
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:47:09 AM
Is there anything that is actually stopping gas stations from selling E0? Is the 10% thing an EPA mandate?
Also, why in the hell do we still have a corn subsidy?
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:46:31 AM
"The price of corn is just rediculous, and probably not coming down anytime soon.... "
Actually it's not rediculously high. In 1974, the price of corn spiked to the rediculous price of $3.25. Remember 1974, we had a small fuel crisis then. Had corn prices kept up with inflation, corn would be selling for $16 a bushel. Grain is dirt cheap.
And actually, the price is coming down. As farmers are starting to pick corn, things weren't as bad as once thought. Furthermore, soybeans could produce a significant upside. Surplus of bean meal, a little less corn, the market will sort things out.
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jmhoover1989
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 7:38:51 AM
At the very least, temporarly remove ehtanol from gas to ease up corn prices.... The price of corn is just rediculous, and probably not coming down anytime soon....
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2012 2:17:22 AM
"Ethanol stinks and should be removed from gasoline" Really. Actually it is gasoline that really stinks and should be removed from the fuel supply.
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goodbuy
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 11:54:29 PM
Ethanol stinks and should be removed from gasoline. The feds want ethanol in gasoline and cars to meet certain standards. Remove the ethanol and maybe they can.
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suzmar
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 11:42:48 PM
Permanently get rid of the ethanol mandates.
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miser709
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 11:41:23 PM
Food to make fuel is a bad idea. No to ethanol.
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mcmonsta
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 11:30:40 PM
if it helps and it should stop all ethanol for the rest of the year
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WIPACKERFAN
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 11:16:19 PM
Get the ethanol out of our fuel
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Bigtex09
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 10:41:01 PM
interesting
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 10:09:56 AM
"Get rid of Ethanol 100%"
Pretty sure Ethanol 100% isn't even on the market. So no worries there.
If I were you, I'd stick with blends somewhere between Ethanol 10% and Ethanol 85%.
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 9:01:16 AM
" What is your personal experience with Ethanol mixtures higher than E10? What problems have you encounter?"
I've driven over 75,000 miles with E85 in a 2002 Chevrolet Tahoe FFV. No difference in fuel economy, no functional issues, no mechanical issues.
I drove a 1994 Dodge Ram 2500 over 30,000 miles using ethanol concentrations over 30%. No difference in fuel economy, no functional issues, no mechanical issues.
We have a 1996 Honda Accord with the 4 cylinder engine. Anything over 20% throws a check engine light. So, we only use ethanol concentrations up to 10% in that car.
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brad_i2001
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 7:10:37 AM
Get rid of Ethanol 100%
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 6:07:28 AM
How about remove all ethanol from gas to get better fuel mileage?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 9:29:24 AM
BigHorne1 wrote: " if the amount of it goes up anymore percentage than already is your motor will have problems if it is not suited for it."
I have zero problems running mixtures higher than E10. What is your personal experience with Ethanol mixtures higher than E10? What problems have you encounter?
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 9/17/2012 9:31:38 AM EST]
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RalphHightower
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 6:02:25 AM
Use the corn for feed, not fuel.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 2:07:36 AM
need to remove the ethanol mandate permanently. if the amount of it goes up anymore percentage than already is your motor will have problems if it is not suited for it.
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:51:38 PM
How bout remove all ethanol from gas to get better fuel mileage?
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bteat88
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:34:42 PM
i might move
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bteat88
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:34:26 PM
i might move
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bteat88
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:34:15 PM
its so dry in ga
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bteat88
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:34:01 PM
yep
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bteat88
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 12:33:53 PM
i hate not having rain
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 10:27:44 AM
When ethanol was introduced into regular gasoline, it was supposed to drive down the cost, but just the reverse has happened. Ethanol has entirely too many deterrents to be used in gasoline of any kind, mostly causing most vehicles to get less milage per gallon. I say get rid of it completely because it has not fulfilled its purpose at all. We pay more money for it at the pumps and get less milage for it.
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Lengas
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 10:13:28 AM
Get rid of ethanol, it doesn't help our engines.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2012 8:09:36 AM
In a crisis, you can eat corn and survive, but you can't drink gas and survive
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chemist74
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2012 9:54:47 AM
The only thing that will help end the drought is a lot of rain. How will stopping ethanol production from corn cause more rain to fall in the corn belt?
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2012 9:31:51 PM
ban ethanol
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Finland
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2012 12:31:53 PM
I believe what the member kurtsmommy is trying to get at when they say, " Not only will help out with the drought" is that due to the drought there will be a lower supply of corn thus cutting back on ethanol production will help corn's usage elsewhere in the market. America will have a shortage of corn this year and likely next year as well, to those who don't know corn has thousands of uses outside of producing ethanol. Do you think its a good idea to gut corn's other uses in favor of ethanol production when it is not even necessary?
What is more important, corn as food or corn as ethanol? If you say ethanol than be prepared for higher food prices whether you're buying ears of corn at the supermarket or foods such as beef, pork, chicken, etc because corn is heavily used to feed cattle and other livestock.
The Pro-Ethanol folks logic would have you broke and starving but as long as you can buy gasoline blended with ethanol they'll be happy earning their millions.
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ray1218
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 2:46:25 PM
remove ethanol from gas would help temp........
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terfar77
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2012 6:09:32 AM
good thought
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olympusman2004
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 12:12:00 AM
Is corn really essential?
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ayscfr
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2012 12:35:37 PM
Ethanol should be removed permanently. It competes with food supply.
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Waterman66
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 6:48:01 PM
mustangfb, High compression engines run on higher octane fuels. How can they sell higher octane without ethanol??? Additives.
You must be one of those that just jumps in the car and drives with no understanding of the vehicle.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 5:04:27 PM
66mustangfb wrote: "Higher octane isn't a reason because todays engines are designed to run on 87 octane gas."
Wrong. There are plenty of luxury and Forced Induction cars that are designed for 91 and higher octane rating.
66mustangfb wrote: "You get 10% poorer gas milage to you don't gain anything."
Maybe you do, I don't.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 8/20/2012 5:07:34 PM EST]
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