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CORNHICK

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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 6:07:48 PM

ok so the thing is I am wondering do any of you use ethanol or do you just use regular gas or what do you use. Also what do you reccommend?
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 8:13:53 AM

Mid-grade with RXP added. Seems to work.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 10:08:05 PM

You should be able to run E10 in any small engine. The last small engine I bought was a 2-stroke weed-whacker. The instruction manual said it would tolerate E15.

I think most small engine manufacturers are resigned to making product that will run on E15.

All that being said, I would be highly reluctant to run a small engine (Lawn mower, chainsaw, portable generator etc.) on ethanol-to-gasoline content in excess of 15%.

Whatever the potential for alcohol automotive fuels, we're always going to need some petroleum.
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beachguy46
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 8:53:53 PM

ethanol is the death knell for older cars. It screws up the entire fuel system.
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taxed2death
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:51:53 PM

i would run ethanol all the time in my truck if available. its like every thing else, run an additive once and a wile to keep fuel systems clean.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 9:54:47 AM

Small engines run the same with E10.
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after10
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 2:11:16 AM

Small engines run better without ethanol mix
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 9:27:56 PM

easydriver11 wrote: "bad mouth the oil companies. Last year there were three oil companies paying the HIGHEST income taxes while GE paid close to none."

Double check your numbers and back them up by a link. Here is an example for you. Yes, numbers from 2011 but you get a point.

"Moreover, contrary to claims by Big Oil lobbyists, the big three publicly owned U.S. oil companies—ExxonMobil, Chevron, and ConocoPhillips—paid relatively low federal effective tax rates in 2011. Reuters reports that their tax payments were “a far cry from the 35 percent top corporate tax rate.” Their effective federal tax rates in 2011 were: ExxonMobil, 13 percent; Chevron, 19 percent; and ConocoPhillips, 18 percent."

Speed Trap: Big Oil Profits from High Gasoline Prices
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easydriver11
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 6:12:13 AM

bad mouth the oil companies. Last year there were three oil companies paying the HIGHEST income taxes while GE paid close to none. Obama buddies got the tax credits at the expense of the consumer.
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easydriver11
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 6:09:29 AM

screwed up my lawn mower
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 5:20:48 AM

I run E10 in my lawn tractor, string trimmer, blower, chain saw and power washer without any problem. I have done this for nearly 20 years.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 4:14:50 AM

"hey gvan thanks for the advice I will probably stick to the cheapest gas with the 10% ethanol in it. Oil companies are so greedy we must do everything we can to take $$$$ out of their pockets."

That right there is a good reason to use E85 in a flex fuel vehicle as well as use E10 in most cars and try out E15 once if become available in your area!
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 1:10:18 AM

hey gvan thanks for the advice I will probably stick to the cheapest gas with the 10% ethanol in it. Oil companies are so greedy we must do everything we can to take $$$$ out of their pockets.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:57:12 PM

Maybe E10 does ruin engines. I only used E10 in my lawn mower and snow blower for about thirty years. Maybe if I had used E10 for fifty years the engines may have stopped working.
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 8:34:35 AM

never in small engines
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TriniB
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 8:28:18 PM

No.
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VeeDubbin
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 9:27:30 PM

I avoid using ethanol gas in my small engines. My Stihl chainsaw specifically recommends against using fuel with ethanol in it. I also keep it out of my Echo line trimmer.
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wvmtngeek
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 7:02:00 PM

I run E10 in my lawn tractor, string trimmer, blower, chain saw and power washer without any problem.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 12:34:44 PM

My small engine guy says basically any small engine made after 1980 can run E10 with no trouble, and that the ethanol worries are really blown out of proportion.
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2013 2:32:29 AM

"In the last one week, the price of ethanoil has gone up by 15% "

Yet here it's still at least a buck cheaper than 87 octane E10.

"Small engine manufacturers have had 40 years to make sure their equipment and all replacement parts are 100% compatible with ethanol.
If you are having problem, then your equipment is garbage, or your mechanic is using counterfeit replacement parts and feeding you a line that his shoddy workmanship is actually the fault of ethanol.
Hundreds of thousands of small engines operate on E10 every day in Manitoba, our small engine repair shops are no busier than in any other jurisdiction with, or without E10 as the standard fuel."

This!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2013 1:54:56 AM

"yep ethanol is garbage"

Small engine manufacturers have had 40 years to make sure their equipment and all replacement parts are 100% compatible with ethanol.
If you are having problem, then your equipment is garbage, or your mechanic is using counterfeit replacement parts and feeding you a line that his shoddy workmanship is actually the fault of ethanol.
Hundreds of thousands of small engines operate on E10 every day in Manitoba, our small engine repair shops are no busier than in any other jurisdiction with, or without E10 as the standard fuel.

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 7/20/2013 1:56:46 AM EST]
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2013 12:30:24 AM

yep ethanol is garbage
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Drlamba
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2013 9:43:43 AM

In the last one week, the price of ethanoil has gone up by 15%
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2013 12:16:09 AM

premium
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:23:27 AM

I do not use it in my small engines
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txmtnbiker74
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2013 5:03:15 PM

I use it in all my small engines, but I put in just enough to burn it all out. I did notice one of my leaf blower carbs gaskets is getting hard finally. But if I'm up north in oklahoma I'll fill up a 5 gallon can of pure gas on my way back.
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morris53659
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 11:54:43 PM

I'd keep the ethanol 0-10% max. It may also be a good idea to use fuel stabilizer year round for lawn and garden equipment. It's terrible that we have to pay and do more with the gas to make it "less polluting."
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 10:52:08 PM

E10 works fine in small engines. The last 2-stroke engine I bought said it would tolerate (and was warrantied for) E15.

I don't think I'd try E85 in a small engine; especially a two-stroke engine.
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tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 8:41:17 PM

The topic is small engines.Apparently borsht is a bit to 420 friendly & thinks his lawn mower or leaf blower can fly!
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 8:09:23 PM

Wonder how the Vangaurd Squadron guys get away with it then..............



[Edited by: WhiskeyBurner at 7/14/2013 8:10:26 PM EST]
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 7:59:05 PM

The Embraer EMB-202A Ipanema can run on 100% ethanol.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2013 6:35:42 PM

FAA warns on use of ethanol fuel in aircraft.

airworthiness information bulletin (SAIB) explaining the hazards posed to aircraft operation with automotive fuels that contain alcohol. EAA and other aviation groups have been warning about the increased use of ethanol in fuels. The alcohol is a substitute for chemical oxygenates MTBE and ETBE that have been linked to environmental concerns. But while ethanol may be safer for the environment, it’s toxic to airplane engines and the FAA says that if you can’t find alcohol-free mogas for your STC’d aircraft engine, you’ll have to switch back to 100LL. Alcohol increases the risk of vapor lock and can also introduce water into the fuel system as it cools at higher altitudes. It’s also corrosive to rubber seals used in aircraft fuel systems and reduces the amount of power available from the fuel. Although oil companies are required to prominently label their fuels that contain alcohol, if there’s any doubt about its presence, the SAIB includes a simple test that anyone can perform to determine if there is alcohol in fuel.
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 8:00:55 AM

I have engine problems when I use Ethanol gas in my 4 cyl. It is making noise and it is doing less mpg
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minookaband
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 11:07:09 PM

have not had a problem with E10 in my small engines
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2013 3:24:25 AM

thank you everyone. I am definitely not a fan of the ethanol it is just a horrible additive. IT has been shot down many a time and seems for legit reasons.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 1:33:19 PM

If you're having trouble using E10 there are a number of products that are available that will help with the problems.

Some examples:
PRI-G for Small Engines

Ethanol Defense for Small Engines

[Edited by: Houckster at 7/9/2013 1:41:21 PM EST]
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 10:33:45 AM

Ethanol/corn/our food is horrible for small engines, causes a host of problems and can even destroy the engine! Oh goodddyyy! NOT!
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markedwin
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 10:11:26 AM

Well, I have two friends that are small engine mechanics and have been over 20 years each, and i have one nephew in it, All small engines run ok on 10 percent ethanol but do not let it sit and use it fill your gas tank full and run stabilizer, after 6 months it is recommended to dump it before using and put fresh in it or you probably wont get it started,

Yes, if you have access to non-ethanol for your small engines it is the best to run in it, or premium gas that has ethanol. I have had more problems with the newer the saws and weedeaters n such with the ethanol gas,My two friends and nephew said it is because of the epa and tight emissions control that is mostly at fault.. everything is so tight that when you start running ethanol there is no room for stale gas. Plugs foul out and it floods real easy.

Gas tanks are plastic for a reason on the small engines now, Ethanol draws moisture inside the tank and will create rust particles also over time if it sets it will creat real litte balls like ball bearings or bbs in the tank ether plastic or metal and it will give you carburetor problems make sure you run a good fuel filter.If anything sets for a period time best thing to do i know i said it earlier is fill tank with gas and satabiler additive like sea-foam then drain gas and put fresh when ready to use again.

I can testify to the my boat when i run on the lake with NON-ETHANOL, damn my boat runs awesome and smooth, when i run on the river and use gas from the pump with ethanol it doesnt run as smooth and thats a I/O outboard 4 cyclinder. Since i rebuild old car engines and such wasnt hard to hear it.

Good luck to all and hope you can use the info. thanks mark

[Edited by: markedwin at 7/9/2013 10:14:29 AM EST]
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Thumper52
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 6:35:57 AM

Premium
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 11:06:38 PM

so do you think that the 89 octane with 10% ethanol or 91 octane without any ethanol in it. Thank you
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 9:30:44 AM

use at least mid-grade for small engines -- they need the higher octane
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superman1AZ
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 7:30:02 PM

I use gasohol which is 10% alcohol currently. The old mtbu ether was found to be toxic to lungs. This is a much better alternative.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2013 11:06:20 PM

goldseeker thank you for the chart that is very interesting I did find gas was more corrosive on that chart to wow. Good to know thank you
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 9:19:28 AM

"Use NON ethanol fuel"
Sure, waste as much money as you want.
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 8:16:37 AM

Use NON ethanol fuel
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 3:47:32 AM

"It's that ethanol rots the rubber/plastics/seals/gaskets in these machines that weren't designed to handle sustained contact with ethanol."

Try telling that to a polymer chemist. Ethanol actually has a better rating than gasoline on many polymers including rubber.

Ethanol compatibility chart.
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 10:20:00 AM

Then what are you saying? My weed eater has magic fuel line my backpack blower has mystic magic fuel and my model 2000 year bike is special?
SORRY THE B.S. MEETER WET OFF BIG TIME.

All use out of the pump Sam's cheap fuel and have for over 10 years.
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Cummins_Diesel
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 1:54:50 AM

It's not a 2 vs. 4 stroke thing.

It's not that they can't burn it.

It's that ethanol rots the rubber/plastics/seals/gaskets in these machines that weren't designed to handle sustained contact with ethanol.

That's why the carburetors and fuel pumps are usually the first to take a nose dive. Newer plastics from 3M and others, which are unaffected by the ethanol, are making it into more and more auto/powersports parts.

This should, over time, help alleviate the corrosion issue with ethanol.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 10:02:40 PM

"My liver has been burning Johnny Walker for 40 years" So it must be safe so I should drink more. Right, stickyvalves?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2013 9:08:23 PM

I've been burning E10 in my power tools. I worry more about two-stroke engines than I do 4-stroke. Yet most new two-stroke power tools I have recently bought say I can run E15.

That being said, I splurged on some 50:1 pre-mix at Home Depot that has no ethanol in it. I'll use it in the weed whacker.

All in all, I've had no problems with E10 in power tool engines.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2013 5:09:34 PM

papagreen, welcome to GasBuddys! You should use fresh fuel for any type of fuel that you use in your gas engines.
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