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antiguzzle

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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 4:45:36 PM

Commentary: E15 for better or worse

"The rapidly increasing production of corn-based ethanol in the United States is viewed by many as a primary factor in escalating grain prices seen over the past five years. U.S. corn inventory is expected to be the smallest in 16 years by this summer, largely a result of ethanol production which now consumes around 5 billion bushels, or 40 percent, of U.S. corn. The RFS mandate is proving that disastrous results follow when government mandates are put into place and market forces are suspended."

"For example, the poultry and livestock industries have to compete against the ethanol industry for the corn they feed to their animals yet there is no mandate for beef or pork consumption. It is no wonder beef and pork prices are also near record high prices."

"The failed RFS mandate essentially says that fuel is more important to the country than food. Yet, even with the RFS mandate and all the federal support for ethanol production U.S. consumers continue to face near-record prices at the pump as well as at the grocery store check out."

"It is essential that we pass a contingency plan which would suspend mandated ethanol production levels in the case of a short corn crop. Anything less would be disastrous for the nation’s livestock and poultry producers who are already paying double the price for corn they did five years ago."

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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 6:00:54 PM

I have yet to see any negative side to ethanol. It saves me money every time I use it.
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stevencr
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 3:53:16 PM

I have yet to see any plus side to ethanol.
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Tundrat
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 4:15:09 PM

boo!
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: May 22, 2014 8:34:12 AM

w
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 21, 2014 3:29:32 PM

borsht wrote: "Environmentalists are now arguing that the ethanol mandate is poor environmental policy."

Yet, author of the actual "report" fails to provide the source of the information used to form this uneducated personal opinion. Why is it? Can you, borsht? Please start educating us.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 5/21/2014 3:33:09 PM EST]
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borsht
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Message Posted: May 21, 2014 12:42:59 PM

Environmentalists are now arguing that the ethanol mandate is poor environmental policy.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=23303
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• as the fossil fuels used for production and distribution, biofuel production is quite carbon-intensive.
• To grow corn, farmers must plow more land, and more land plowed means not only less area for trees but also the release of carbon dioxide stored in trees, plants and soil.
• The Environmental Protection Agency also acknowledges that increases in soybean production as a result of the mandate can cause adverse effects to water quality and ecosystems.
The RFS mandates the use of an inefficient fuel, drives up food prices and causes adverse environmental effects. The 2012 drought and problems meeting the quotas in the RFS have put the program under the political microscope. The only true reform to the Renewable Fuel Standard is to eliminate it.
Source: Nicolas Loris, "The Ethanol Mandate: Don't Mend It, End It," Heritage Foundation, June 12, 2013 "
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miatabill
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Message Posted: May 21, 2014 10:24:44 AM

I haven't seen it around here, and that's fine with me. I don't intend to buy it if/when it shows up.
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AFOS
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Message Posted: May 18, 2014 12:38:04 PM

Have not seen any here yet and per my car's mfr (Honda, who says it voids my warranty) I will not buy it if it shows up.
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hatterasjack
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 10:08:12 AM

A good question for the weekly poll would be 'Have you ever seen E15 gas?'. I for one have not. I travel mainly in the Southeast and I have never seen E15 offered by any station. There is quite a lot of E85 and also ethanol free around Spartanburg. One station chain, Hot Spot, has ethanol free on every pump at almost all their stations. I use ethanol free from 7-eleven; the price is better. I would not be surprised if E15 is being mostly found around Iowa and Nebraska.
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Rich_pa
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 9:23:06 AM

I guess it's here to stay, but we do not have to like it.
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thuathienhue
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Message Posted: May 5, 2014 8:47:17 AM

Corn is food
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 6:50:37 AM

Burn gasoline, not food.
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rosyLI
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 6:26:37 AM

WORSE! Ethanol is a scam.
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Beau2140
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Message Posted: May 2, 2014 4:46:06 AM

With all the crude that has been discovered of late, we could stop using ethanol and not miss it at all.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 8:34:23 PM

mandoid wrote: "And certainly not federally subsidized corn."

Obviously you don't drink Whiskey, pop, or eat meet, eggs, bacon, cereals, peanut butter, etc. Because if you do you are a hypocrite.
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mandoid
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:01:56 PM

No food for fuel! And certainly not federally subsidized corn.
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Settjec
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:07:46 PM

I guess, AMERICA still hasn't had enough yet.... maybe one day before I kick the bucket.... doubtful though
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scrossi
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:39:32 AM

We need to ban all ethanol.
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billy44bo
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:26:03 AM

Wish they take it out of gasoline.
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NEtracker
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:23:21 AM

E15 will damage motorcycles.
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Kinglemuel
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2014 4:32:34 PM

I think it was initially good to encourage ethanol, as an alternative fuel, but now we need to grant more flexibility instead of more mandates.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 10:59:13 AM

Fish is reciting a poorly-cited claim made on wikipedia about ethanol, one that has been sitting there marked "citation needed" since before 2010, and probably back to 2008 when an obscure Irish publication made the statement. Of course the original document is rarely referenced, nor its age/appropriateness critiqued. The paragraph is simply copied/pasted from wikipedia into numerous anti-ethanol websites (many in the Google results are obvious oil lobby sites) word for word.

This is more colorful marketing language, not science.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 10:28:32 AM

fish1552, lets see some evidence on your ozone claim. Unless your source is that modified weather forecast model, you can just save yourself the embarrassment of posting that one.
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fish1552
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 12:32:21 AM

Well, let's see. Ethanol generates 2.14 times more ozone than regular gasoline, which contributes to an increase in pollution. There is also a higher amount of formaldehyde, and acetaldehyde discharged into the atmosphere.

Cellulosic ethanol is a much better product with less pollutants, and since it can be made from switch grass, or waste wood (chips, sawdust, etc) it doesn't take away from the livestock food supply.

Many of the governments just jumped on board the bandwagon without researching the problems they are only shifting onto other areas.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 3:59:12 PM

I have used E15 and much higher ethanol content fuel in two non-FFVs for over 4 years and have never had an ethanol related performance or maintenance issue.
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Bill85035
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 1:21:34 AM

E15 is reported to be bad for auto engines by AAA and Fox News. Google "E15 fuel" and check it out.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2014 10:55:01 AM

It wii ruin many many engines. Hopefully the people's that are forcing this on us.
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9352029
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2014 1:30:01 PM

E15 is just another scam. Nothing is better than high quality gasoline.
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namzza6310
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2014 8:37:29 AM

Better for everyone
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2014 2:31:00 PM

"Better for the earth"

Actually, it's not better for the earth, which is why tree huggers no denigrate ethanol...
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RS101
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2014 7:54:38 PM

Worse
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SnowplowingLady
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:48:17 AM

Better for the earth BUT worse for OLDER cars & trucks
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 3:48:29 AM

"Did you know that air oxidizes ethanol into vinegar by pulling off its hydrogen atoms?"

You just made that up didn't you?
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:19:13 AM

Spells doom to antique classic vehicles...
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PettyEddie2012
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Message Posted: May 9, 2012 10:41:14 AM

Did you know that air oxidizes ethanol into vinegar by pulling off its hydrogen atoms?
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dulberg
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Message Posted: May 8, 2012 8:58:19 AM

rediculous
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mr157ifhz
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:58:03 PM

"The rapidly increasing production of corn-based ethanol in the United States is viewed by many as a primary factor in escalating grain prices seen over the past five years"
'It is no wonder beef and pork prices are also near record high prices."

~I guess these folks haven't noticed how much gasoline and diesel prices have risen over the past five years.
And once again, they fail to take into acount the DDGs produced by the ethanol industry.
*sigh* is right.
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: May 7, 2012 12:32:41 PM

*sigh*
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clytzepp
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 10:20:06 PM

....I really doubt the cars filled with ethanol would be popular.
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 7:22:59 PM

We have to embrace Obama's mandates.
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