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SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2011 4:58:52 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse The latest is that Oil from Yellowstone River pipeline spill likely in North Dakota now

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The latest is that Oil from Yellowstone River pipeline spill likely in North Dakota now

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SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: May 8, 2013 9:02:56 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse giwan claims "Still not as much oil as average everyday people spill on their own." Really? Let's see you prove that one. Meanwhile, Study: Gulf oil spill is sickening fish vital to seafood industry "Oil buried in sediments in the shallow waters of the Gulf is triggering genetic reactions in the gills and livers of local populations of killifish, a ubiquitous prey for marine species vital to the region's economy, according to a study published this week in the review Environmental Science & Technology. Researchers linked those genetic changes to cardiovascular problems, reproductive failures and weakened and listless offspring. “The animals are simply not hatching,” said Fernando Galvez, an environmental toxicologist from Louisiana State University, who led the study. “The ones that go on to hatch are smaller and have very little vigor.”"
giwan Veteran Author Michigan Posts:465 Points:85,800 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: May 3, 2013 1:32:12 PM Ignore giwan Report Abuse Still not as much oil as average everyday people spill on their own.
Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,216 Points:610,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:35:35 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse Just what North Dakota needs - more oil.
BigHorne1 Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,477 Points:292,775 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:12:11 AM Ignore BigHorne1 Report Abuse Never enough money for them, prices at pump to high, safety in the toilet it seems on their functions.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,307 Points:725,135 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:21:29 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse "While questions over the severity of ExxonMobil’s March 29 oil spill in Mayflower, Arkansas still remain, the same pipeline has now ruptured, this time to the north, in Missouri." Fresh ExxonMobil pipeline spill hits Missouri
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 8:24:36 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse It' the same logic some people stick to in support of their agenda. So instead of fixing or adding new pipeline capacity to the 40+ year old lines laid in bad locations, they would rather adopt the 'do use that dirty stuff' mentality. So it's a Floyd thought.
tropicalmn Sophomore Author Minnesota Posts:172 Points:144,965 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 1:45:56 PM Ignore tropicalmn Report Abuse "I think we should close all of those fertilizer plants since they kill so many people, pollute the water with enriched run-off, and are THE primary ingredient for many IED's." Sounds like a Floyd R Turbo editorial.
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 8:47:12 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse Sorry to hear about the 16+ deaths in TX due to the fertilizer plant explosion. I think we should close all of those fertilizer plants since they kill so many people, pollute the water with enriched run-off, and are THE primary ingredient for many IED's. The farmers don't need all those dangerous chemicals to spread with oil based farm gear.
borsht All-Star Author Oakland Posts:778 Points:186,860 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 1:25:42 PM Ignore borsht Report Abuse MTBE was used because of the EPA,government mandate to oxygeneate gasoline. And the mandate to get the lead out of gasoline. The goverments approved MTBE. Outside of the midwest it was the only alternative to ethanol. They could have used beets in california for ethanol, but do to the goverment resitrictions on water use. The beet farms were ripped out. My question is, what should have Exxon done to meet the government mandate? I'm no way wanting to let Exxon of the hook when it makes calculated risk decisions. Like overpressuring ancient pipes to run heavy crude thru them. Or neglecting the upkeep on refineries. I also think it was dumb to go to MTBE. IMO Our tax paid regulators like EPA need to show considerably more resposibility when mnaking mandates. http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/faq.htm
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 12:52:08 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse "Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) should pay New Hampshire $236 million in damages for contaminating its drinking water with the gasoline additive MTBE, the state’s lawyers told a jury that is set to begin deliberations today. The oil company knew that MTBE was hazardous and would pollute the groundwater and still approved its use for economic reasons, lawyers for New Hampshire told the jury during closing remarks yesterday in Concord." .Exxon Mobil Knew Gas Additive Was Risky, N.H. Jury Told
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:923 Points:479,690 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 7:09:51 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse Sooner or later you will have some spills in your backyard
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:582 Points:15,115 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 11:06:34 AM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse Here's another one. Pipeline break in Arkansas neighborhood. If it were an ethanol spill, there would be no issue at all. Pipeline bursts in neighborhood. Exposes many to harm. [Edited by: Hannie59 at 4/2/2013 11:11:06 AM EST]
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 10:05:38 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse 635 deaths last year due to tractor trailers. Up 20% and expected to rise with more traffic. If ethanol shipments were up the same percentage as deaths, I worry about next year with even more shipments going by big rigs.
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 7:28:04 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse Silverstreaker, The press had a field day on that oil spill, but had to recant the actual spill amount in half as the broken tank was not found to be empty. But the press likes a 'good' story more than the correct one.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,076 Points:1,818,125 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 3:59:02 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse According to this link, there are challenges to ethanol transport by pipeline... "Wider use of pipelines to transport ethanol is problematic for several reasons. It means addressing ethanol’s water affinity problem (ethanol is water soluble meaning it absorbs water). Because water accumulation in pipelines is a normal occurrence (in most cases water enters the system through terminal and refinery tank roofs or can be dissolved in fuels during refinery processes), introducing ethanol into a pipeline risks rendering it unusable as a transportation fuel." "The second challenge to transporting ethanol by pipeline is the need to address corrosion issues. Ethanol-related corrosion problems can result from how ethanol behaves in the pipe. There is some evidence that ethanol in high concentrations can lead to various forms of corrosion including internal stress corrosion cracking, which is very hard to detect. This damage may be accelerated at weld joints or “hard spots” where the steel metallurgy has been altered." "While it may be technically possible to address issues relating to transporting ethanol via pipeline, significant investments in new and modified facilities and operational practices would be necessary. "Dedicated Ethanol Pipeline report If you go to section 3, there are several issues prohibiting use of pipelines for transporting ethanol, in the U.S.A. at least... "The projected ethanol volume available to support a dedicated ethanol pipeline was determined to be approximately 2.8 bgy over the asset’s life, which was assumed to be 40 years. At these volumes, the pipeline would likely require an average tariff in the 28 cents per gallon range at a project cost of $4.25 billion. This cost exceeds both the $3.0 billion estimate provided by Buckeye Partners and Magellan Midstream Partners and subsequent $3.5 billion estimate provided by Magellan and POET. This was deemed to be a reasonable high-end assumption based upon past pipeline projects and provides for a conservative tariff estimate. The 28 cents per gallon average tariff is higher than the current average tariff for transporting ethanol via existing modes." Biggest issue is cost effectiveness... this report also cites the same issues as reported in the previous link.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 1:26:24 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse GrumpyCat claims "Ethanol can not be piped due to its affinity to pick up and carry contaminants." This is a big lie by the anti-ethanolics: Kinder Morgan completes ethanol pipeline between New Jersey and New York Construction commences on Brazilian ethanol pipeline KINDER MORGAN CENTRAL FLORIDA PIPELINE ETHANOL PROJECT Back to oil spills: Pipelines and rail cars- are they both unsafe ways to ship oil? "It's been a busy day for some clean up crews across the country. This week saw two accidents from the two most significant ways to transport petroleum: pipeline and rail. First, Shell shut a pipeline in Louisiana after a leak was observed near a pumping station. Second, a train carrying crude oil detailed in western Minnesota on Wednesday. 94 cars were headed towards Chicago when the train derailed, causing 14 cars to come off the tracks. Three leaked or spilled crude, and while no one was hurt, 20,000 to 30,000 gallons saturated the ground. One rail car spilled most of its 26,000 gallon load, oozing into the ground during the cold weather."
GrumpyCat Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,594 Points:786,900 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 9:10:24 AM Ignore GrumpyCat Report Abuse This being the Ethanol Apologists' Forum you are sitting smug and happy about a petroleum pipeline leaking. Ethanol can not be piped due to its affinity to pick up and carry contaminants. Ethanol has to be tanked to market, and tanking is an order of magnitude more prone to spills than pipelines. Not to mention how much greater energy efficient pipelines are over tank delivery.
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:923 Points:479,690 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 7:40:18 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse Polluters manage to get by without serious harm.
jay93LA Champion Author New Orleans Posts:2,428 Points:595,710 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 6:50:38 AM Ignore jay93LA Report Abuse be safe
BigHorne1 Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,477 Points:292,775 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 1:20:02 AM Ignore BigHorne1 Report Abuse This is ridiculous, especially with prices at the pump so high. Guess profits and greed overlook everything else. Of course the consumer pays the price when things are good and bad. There needs to be a investigation about this and also why prices at the pump are so high.
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:20:14 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse So I was reading an article in The WSJ (March 28th) about the number of barrels of oil now being shipped by rail. So a couple of big spills have occurred lately, but nothing like the 2008 year where they had 284 brls spilled for every million shipped. Previous years were close to nil. But the recent uptick in traffice, 174%, 123%, and 255% for the past three years have shown large increases in the number of spills reported. But interesting the number of barrels spilled are actually down in total compared to traffic increase. So stats for last 3 years (starting 2010) have been dropping; 5.5 Brls/Million barrel shipped, 2.0, 0.5. That's a good trend, but zero should be the target!! Still, no deaths reported.
tdioiler All-Star Author Detroit Posts:888 Points:417,085 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:12:35 PM Ignore tdioiler Report Abuse Ethanol trucks a 'hidden danger' http://www.areawidenews.com/story/1704316.html And with more ethanol shipped via truck instead of rail or pipeline, remember that about 98 percent of tractor-trailer accidents result in at least one fatality. Better chance of being killed by an ethanol truck that being drowned by an oil spill. Happenings like this will only increase; "The Milton Police Department did not issue citations in the tanker truck crash that spilled an estimated 8,000 gallons of ethanol into a nearby retention pond, but the truck is still being investigated by the Wisconsin State Patrol."
TJP48 Sophomore Author Louisiana Posts:119 Points:81,865 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:04:21 AM Ignore TJP48 Report Abuse Hello all these people that talk bad about the oil & gas ind. Use Natural gas to heat their homes and gasoline to drive. You think it is bad here i could bring you some really bad places Brazil, China and alot more ! Tommy
James48843 Veteran Author Michigan Posts:258 Points:156,495 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 6:41:34 PM Ignore James48843 Report Abuse TRAIN CARRYING CANADIAN CRUDE OIL DERAILS, SPILLING 30,000 GALLONS http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-usa-derailment-oilspillbre92r02v-20130327,0,6413249.story The cleanup was expected to take another day or two, officials said, after 14 cars on a 94-car train heading for the Chicago area left the tracks on Wednesday about 150 miles northwest of Minneapolis near the town of Parkers Prairie. The spill, which has triggered an investigation by federal officials, came as a debate rages over the environmental risks of transporting Alberta tar sands crude across the border from Canada. This was the first major spill since a boom in North American oil production began to outgrow the existing pipeline network, prompting a huge rise in crude-by-rail transport three years ago.
area_51 Sophomore Author Toronto Posts:123 Points:20,460 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 8:14:31 PM Ignore area_51 Report Abuse Hope not.
EvergreenON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:923 Points:479,690 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 5:57:54 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse And it will append again and again
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 10:25:47 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Youngstown gas driller indicted, accused of dumping fracking waste into river This one was not an accident.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:53:28 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Concerns raised over 'useless' Arctic oil spill plan "The big glaring hole is that it is such a vaguely worded document that it doesn't seem to force countries into doing anything" "It would be a nightmare scenario, you're facing oil drifting for thousands of miles under ice, the technical challenge of operating in darkness would make mounting the sort of response that BP had to do in the Gulf, completely impossible" "The infrastructure to mount a big clean-up operation is simply not in place and conventional oil spill response techniques have not been proven to work in such severe conditions"
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 9:49:36 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Is oil sheen in Gulf of Mexico coming from site of BP spill? "More than two years after the worst oil spill in U.S. History, officials believe several thousand barrels of oil could still be trapped in the wreckage and equipment connected to BP’s Deepwater Horizon."
MikeCapeCoral Champion Author Cape Coral Posts:1,917 Points:416,920 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:09:50 AM Ignore MikeCapeCoral Report Abuse Enough of this topic...
Maintroll Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,614 Points:1,699,135 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 5:37:51 AM Ignore Maintroll Report Abuse This has already been cleaned up, and this article is old and stale.
Karisholman Veteran Author Nevada Posts:281 Points:167,410 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 12:36:43 AM Ignore Karisholman Report Abuse I hope they expand this use.
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 3:17:26 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Toxic substance found in snow near oilsands "The researchers found snow near the oilsands contained toxic substances dangerous to fish eggs. The study doesn't say anything about the potential effect on mammals that eat snow." "These findings won't be the only research presented in California this week at the meeting of international scientists. Another connected study found that hydrocarbons in lakes near the oilsands have risen by two to 23 times since the beginning of exploration 60 years ago."
jacksfan Champion Author Lincoln Posts:2,554 Points:1,235,205 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 10:06:34 AM Ignore jacksfan Report Abuse It's only difficult to understand why a thread about oil spills is perfectly relevant in the ethanol forum if you make it so.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,076 Points:1,818,125 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Oct 10, 2012 9:19:05 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse If pipelines were economical they would be built. Grumpycat, it is one of the mysteries of the gasbuddy forums. a topic called: "Another Oil Spill" has been in this forum for over a year with no mention of ethanol in it's topic. I believe there are a certain faction that do not know the concept of posting in other forums, so the moderators allow them to post here. Seems enabling... [Edited by: reb4 at 10/10/2012 9:22:52 AM EST]
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 3:21:15 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse You can read about several ethanol pipelines in Brazil in the Oil & Gas Journal. Kinder Morgan's Central Florida Ethanol Pipeline has been operating since 2008. Kinder Morgan's ethanol pipeline between New Jersey and New York was completed earlier this year. I guess they don't know that "ethanol can not be pipelined", according to GrumpyCat!
GrumpyCat Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,594 Points:786,900 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 1:01:27 PM Ignore GrumpyCat Report Abuse Posted in the Ethanol Forum? Ethanol will never spill into the environment from a pipeline leak because ethanol can not be pipelined. Ethanol must be tanked from distillery to fuel depot to fuel station. Expensive and much more environmentally nasty and unfriendly than wonderful economic efficient and clean pipelines.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 10:30:10 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Not good!
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 8:19:58 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Speedy response restores service on Colonial Pipelines' Nashville-to-Atlanta lines Only 500 gallons of gasoline leaked with this one.
RJD2012 Rookie Author Michigan Posts:29 Points:201,945 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 10:54:36 AM Ignore RJD2012 Report Abuse For Oil Companies that have spills they should have fines that increase every time they have another spill.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,307 Points:725,135 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 10:00:56 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse "Weathered oil in the form of tar has washed up on some Louisiana beaches from Gulf waters churned by Hurricane Isaac, prompting restrictions of fishing in some waters and tests to determine whether the source is submerged oil from the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster." Speculation that oil unearthed by Isaac from BP oil spill
BlewettCA Veteran Author California Posts:318 Points:240,410 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 8:29:44 PM Ignore BlewettCA Report Abuse Nice
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,076 Points:1,818,125 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 9:13:16 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse Freight Train carrying unstable Cargo explodes Mentioned ethanol and cardboard boxes. Nice combination. I find it interesting that they put oil fires out, but let ethanol fires burn. Odd.
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SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 10:30:52 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse The Horrifying Effects of a Canadian Tar Sands Oil Spill "In July 2010 an Enbridge pipeline burst in Marshall, Michigan, causing tar sands crude oil to spill out over 40 miles of the Kalamazoo River. It was the first major spill of Canadian heavy oil, and would provide an interesting study on the effects of such a spill on the environment." "Two years and $800 million later, the cleanup is still going on. The cost eclipses every other onshore oil cleanup in U.S. history. Professor Steve Hamilton of Michigan State University explained that the reason the clean-up has taken a lot longer, and cost a lot more than predicted, is that the oil sank to the bottom of the river. Due to the density of Canadian crude it is much heavier than any other oil. It is diluted in chemicals in order to allow it to flow through the pipes, but once in the open air the chemicals evaporate leaving the heavy hydrocarbon behind. It then just sinks under water. Clean-up crews did not know this and so just performed their normal duties of skimming the oil off the surface and filtering it from the water."
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2012 9:45:11 AM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Fire at Calif. refinery is out; 200 go to hospital "Randy Sawyer, the chief environmental and hazardous materials officer for the county's health services agency, said any kind of smoke can be toxic but added: "In this smoke, there can also be all kind of byproducts that can be toxic.""
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 4:36:34 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Oil Companies Still Hiding the True Risks of Deepwater Drilling from Investors "In spite of the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster, disclosure on drilling and safety remained weak overall, even for drilling risk management and spill response plans, according to the report. But this type of disclosure is critical because the era of easy-to-access resources is over, forcing companies to develop in more challenging locations, investors said." [Edited by: SilverStreaker at 8/6/2012 4:41:43 PM EST]
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,919 Points:2,212,540 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2012 3:11:53 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse Brazil says Chevron oil leak larger than estimated "The ANP's full report will be released Friday. It will show "the accident could have been avoided if Chevron had conducted its operations while fully adhering to the regulations of the ANP and industrywide best practices, as well as its own procedure manual," Chambriard said."