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SilverStreaker

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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2011 4:58:52 PM

The latest is that Oil from Yellowstone River pipeline spill likely in North Dakota now
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2014 10:11:22 AM

Pennsylvania Sues Oil Companies for Groundwater Pollution

“MTBE-related spills over the past 20 years have cost Pennsylvania hundreds of millions of dollars,”
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PummpinEthyl
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Message Posted: May 15, 2014 8:31:21 PM

Amish fuel spills occur every day, they never make the news and they never get cleaned up.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:54:23 PM

Carry a bucket some will spill out. Clean it up and keep going.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:32:38 AM

"A 65-mile stretch of the Mississippi River remained closed at New Orleans on Monday following a weekend collision that resulted in crude oil spilling from a barge."

Mississippi River closed at New Orleans after barge spills oil
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 10:16:13 AM

Federal study says oil sands toxins are leaching into groundwater, Athabasca River
"Leakage from oil sands tailings ponds, which now cover 176 square kilometres, has long been an issue. Industry has acknowledged that seepage can occur, and previous studies using models have estimated it at 6.5-million litres a day from a single pond."
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 9:52:23 AM

[L=http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20140217/text deleted trains have spilled almost 3 million gallons of crude since 2008, review finds[/L]

"The derailments released almost 3 million gallons of oil, nearly twice as much as the largest pipeline spill in the U.S. since at least 1986."
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nighthawk91
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2014 8:12:51 PM

12000g/70m= .03 gallons per foot. People dump their oil change oil more than that spill. :) I say light a match to clean it up.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2014 12:31:34 PM

Train sprays crude oil for nearly 70 miles

A 70 mile spill!
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2014 12:27:24 PM

Tell us something new, who is the one that is suppose to report this. They jumped all over BP and so it should have been. Whether big or small we are ruining the land. and environment . Are we no longer responsible for our action if we are a big company or a little one.? W hen do we yell stop to our congressmen and woman to put a stop to these companies that have ventured into these areas of making big bucks from their oil schemes.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2014 10:13:00 AM

Dolphins Suffering From Lung Disease Due to Gulf Oil Spill, Study Says
"Study Finds Strong Connection Between Deepwater Horizon Spill and Dolphin Deaths"
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 2:46:33 PM

North Dakota recorded 300 oil spills in two years without notifying the public
"North Dakota regulators, like in many other oil-producing states, are not obliged to tell the public about oil spills under state law. But in a state that's producing a million barrels a day and saw nearly 2,500 miles of new pipelines last year, many believe the risk of spills will increase, posing a bigger threat to farmland and water."

"For weeks, no one knew about a Tesoro Corporation pipeline that broke 29 September in a remote area near Tioga. Officials say no water was contaminated or wildlife hurt, but the spill was one of the largest in North Dakota's history, estimated at 20,600 barrels. Oil oozed over an area the size of seven football fields."
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smugutu1234
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 7:20:16 AM

Nothing new.
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bkmly
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 5:12:15 PM

Hmmm super interesting
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 9:55:09 AM

They are working on a 3 year plan to clean up the spill and I doubt his ranch will ever be the same.

Now picture a hundred corn trucks tipping over on this guy's ranch. Big mess, but it'd be gone in 2 weeks, and the wildlife would LOVE it.

[Edited by: darwinfinch at 10/16/2013 9:55:25 AM EST]
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 9:42:15 AM

There will always be another spill...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 9:12:08 AM

"When Steve Jensen saw crude oil bubbling up from the ground on his North Dakota farm, he knew immediately he wasn't having a Jed Clampett moment.

Unlike the classic "Beverly Hillbillies" character who struck it rich with oil, Jensen figured the "black gold" was coming from the pipeline that runs under his 1,800-acre wheat farm, carrying oil from the Bakken formation to a rail facility 45 miles north. Instead of getting rich, Jensen, 56, has been left with a huge mess -- his acreage in Tioga fouled by the largest oil spill on U.S. soil in history."

North Dakota farmer makes crude discovery: largest oil spill on US soil
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 10:00:28 AM

Study: Fracking Waste Poses Severe Threat To Wildlife
"According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, fracking water “killed virtually all aquatic wildlife” at the site of one spill."
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 11:02:26 AM

"If people are upset about oil spills, then maybe they should ride a bike."
Yes, or use ethanol.

Oil spill would 'overwhelm' resources, B.C. minister warned
"The B.C. government has said Enbridge's proposed Northern Gateway pipeline — which would deliver Alberta oilsands products to a tanker port in Kitimat, B.C., for export to Asian markets — and Kinder Morgan's proposed expansion of its existing TransMountain pipeline into the Port of Metro Vancouver, could increase tanker traffic by more than 1,000 trips annually off the Pacific coast."
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 4:06:34 AM

Considering the distance between home and work, driving would probably be preferred by my employer........ethanol does allow for that!
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:53:21 AM

If people are upset about oil spills, then maybe they should ride a bike.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:46:54 PM

Ethanol spills from derailed train near port of Tampa in Florida
No reports of pollution, but people were inconvenienced. "That's 10 hours of work that we miss today. We don't go in and we don't get paid."
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 2:13:24 PM

Polluted Chaudiere River posing problems for cities north of Lac-Megantic
"Cities as far as 180 km north of Lac-Megantic, QC, have had their main source of drinking water, the Chaudiere River, polluted by crude oil, forcing them to tap into alternative water sources.

It is unclear how many litres of crude spilled into the Chaudiere River after a train carrying hundreds of tons of oil derailed and exploded in the town of Lac-Megantic"
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 9:17:47 AM

BP is polluting Lake Michigan

"BP, one of the world's biggest companies, dumps nearly 20 times more toxic mercury into Lake Michigan than federal regulations permit."
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 9:02:56 AM

giwan claims "Still not as much oil as average everyday people spill on their own."
Really? Let's see you prove that one.

Meanwhile, Study: Gulf oil spill is sickening fish vital to seafood industry "Oil buried in sediments in the shallow waters of the Gulf is triggering genetic reactions in the gills and livers of local populations of killifish, a ubiquitous prey for marine species vital to the region's economy, according to a study published this week in the review Environmental Science & Technology. Researchers linked those genetic changes to cardiovascular problems, reproductive failures and weakened and listless offspring.

“The animals are simply not hatching,” said Fernando Galvez, an environmental toxicologist from Louisiana State University, who led the study. “The ones that go on to hatch are smaller and have very little vigor.”"
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giwan
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 1:32:12 PM

Still not as much oil as average everyday people spill on their own.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:35:35 AM

Just what North Dakota needs - more oil.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:12:11 AM

Never enough money for them, prices at pump to high, safety in the toilet it seems on their functions.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:21:29 AM

"While questions over the severity of ExxonMobil’s March 29 oil spill in Mayflower, Arkansas still remain, the same pipeline has now ruptured, this time to the north, in Missouri."

Fresh ExxonMobil pipeline spill hits Missouri
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 8:24:36 PM

It' the same logic some people stick to in support of their agenda. So instead of fixing or adding new pipeline capacity to the 40+ year old lines laid in bad locations, they would rather adopt the 'do use that dirty stuff' mentality.

So it's a Floyd thought.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 1:45:56 PM

"I think we should close all of those fertilizer plants since they kill so many people, pollute the water with enriched run-off, and are THE primary ingredient for many IED's."

Sounds like a Floyd R Turbo editorial.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 8:47:12 PM

Sorry to hear about the 16+ deaths in TX due to the fertilizer plant explosion.

I think we should close all of those fertilizer plants since they kill so many people, pollute the water with enriched run-off, and are THE primary ingredient for many IED's.

The farmers don't need all those dangerous chemicals to spread with oil based farm gear.
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 1:25:42 PM

MTBE was used because of the EPA,government mandate to oxygeneate gasoline.
And the mandate to get the lead out of gasoline. The goverments approved MTBE. Outside of the midwest it was the only alternative to ethanol.
They could have used beets in california for ethanol, but do to the goverment resitrictions on water use. The beet farms were ripped out.

My question is, what should have Exxon done to meet the government mandate?
I'm no way wanting to let Exxon of the hook when it makes calculated risk decisions. Like overpressuring ancient pipes to run heavy crude thru them.
Or neglecting the upkeep on refineries.
I also think it was dumb to go to MTBE. IMO Our tax paid regulators like EPA need to show considerably more resposibility when mnaking mandates.
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/faq.htm
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 12:52:08 PM

"Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) should pay New Hampshire $236 million in damages for contaminating its drinking water with the gasoline additive MTBE, the state’s lawyers told a jury that is set to begin deliberations today.

The oil company knew that MTBE was hazardous and would pollute the groundwater and still approved its use for economic reasons, lawyers for New Hampshire told the jury during closing remarks yesterday in Concord."

.Exxon Mobil Knew Gas Additive Was Risky, N.H. Jury Told
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 7:09:51 AM

Sooner or later you will have some spills in your backyard
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 11:06:34 AM

Here's another one. Pipeline break in Arkansas neighborhood. If it were an ethanol spill, there would be no issue at all.

Pipeline bursts in neighborhood. Exposes many to harm.

[Edited by: Hannie59 at 4/2/2013 11:11:06 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 10:05:38 PM

635 deaths last year due to tractor trailers. Up 20% and expected to rise with more traffic. If ethanol shipments were up the same percentage as deaths, I worry about next year with even more shipments going by big rigs.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 7:28:04 PM

Silverstreaker, The press had a field day on that oil spill, but had to recant the actual spill amount in half as the broken tank was not found to be empty.

But the press likes a 'good' story more than the correct one.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 3:59:02 PM

According to this link, there are challenges to ethanol transport by pipeline...

"Wider use of pipelines to transport ethanol is problematic for several reasons. It means addressing ethanol’s water affinity problem (ethanol is water soluble meaning it absorbs water). Because water accumulation in pipelines is a normal occurrence (in most cases water enters the system through terminal and refinery tank roofs or can be dissolved in fuels during refinery processes), introducing ethanol into a pipeline risks rendering it unusable as a transportation fuel."

"The second challenge to transporting ethanol by pipeline is the need to address corrosion issues. Ethanol-related corrosion problems can result from how ethanol behaves in the pipe. There is some evidence that ethanol in high concentrations can lead to various forms of corrosion including internal stress corrosion cracking, which is very hard to detect. This damage may be accelerated at weld joints or “hard spots” where the steel metallurgy has been altered."

"While it may be technically possible to address issues relating to transporting ethanol via pipeline, significant investments in new and modified facilities and operational practices would be necessary. "Dedicated Ethanol Pipeline report

If you go to section 3, there are several issues prohibiting use of pipelines for transporting ethanol, in the U.S.A. at least...

"The projected ethanol volume available to support a dedicated ethanol pipeline was determined to be approximately 2.8 bgy over the asset’s life, which was assumed to be 40 years. At these volumes, the pipeline would likely require an average tariff in the 28 cents per gallon range at a project cost of $4.25 billion. This cost exceeds both the $3.0 billion estimate provided by Buckeye Partners and Magellan Midstream Partners and subsequent $3.5 billion estimate provided by Magellan and POET. This was deemed to be a reasonable high-end assumption based upon past pipeline projects and provides for a conservative tariff estimate. The 28 cents per gallon average tariff is higher than the current average tariff for transporting ethanol via existing modes."

Biggest issue is cost effectiveness...

this report also cites the same issues as reported in the previous link.

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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 1:26:24 PM

GrumpyCat claims "Ethanol can not be piped due to its affinity to pick up and carry contaminants."
This is a big lie by the anti-ethanolics:
Kinder Morgan completes ethanol pipeline between New Jersey and New York
Construction commences on Brazilian ethanol pipeline
KINDER MORGAN CENTRAL FLORIDA PIPELINE ETHANOL PROJECT

Back to oil spills:
Pipelines and rail cars- are they both unsafe ways to ship oil?
"It's been a busy day for some clean up crews across the country. This week saw two accidents from the two most significant ways to transport petroleum: pipeline and rail.

First, Shell shut a pipeline in Louisiana after a leak was observed near a pumping station. Second, a train carrying crude oil detailed in western Minnesota on Wednesday. 94 cars were headed towards Chicago when the train derailed, causing 14 cars to come off the tracks. Three leaked or spilled crude, and while no one was hurt, 20,000 to 30,000 gallons saturated the ground. One rail car spilled most of its 26,000 gallon load, oozing into the ground during the cold weather."
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 9:10:24 AM

This being the Ethanol Apologists' Forum you are sitting smug and happy about a petroleum pipeline leaking. Ethanol can not be piped due to its affinity to pick up and carry contaminants. Ethanol has to be tanked to market, and tanking is an order of magnitude more prone to spills than pipelines. Not to mention how much greater energy efficient pipelines are over tank delivery.
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 7:40:18 AM

Polluters manage to get by without serious harm.
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 6:50:38 AM

be safe
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 1:20:02 AM

This is ridiculous, especially with prices at the pump so high. Guess profits and greed overlook everything else. Of course the consumer pays the price when things are good and bad. There needs to be a investigation about this and also why prices at the pump are so high.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:20:14 PM

So I was reading an article in The WSJ (March 28th) about the number of barrels of oil now being shipped by rail. So a couple of big spills have occurred lately, but nothing like the 2008 year where they had 284 brls spilled for every million shipped. Previous years were close to nil.

But the recent uptick in traffice, 174%, 123%, and 255% for the past three years have shown large increases in the number of spills reported. But interesting the number of barrels spilled are actually down in total compared to traffic increase. So stats for last 3 years (starting 2010) have been dropping; 5.5 Brls/Million barrel shipped, 2.0, 0.5.

That's a good trend, but zero should be the target!!

Still, no deaths reported.
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:12:35 PM

Ethanol trucks a 'hidden danger'

http://www.areawidenews.com/story/1704316.html

And with more ethanol shipped via truck instead of rail or pipeline, remember that about 98 percent of tractor-trailer accidents result in at least one fatality. Better chance of being killed by an ethanol truck that being drowned by an oil spill.

Happenings like this will only increase; "The Milton Police Department did not issue citations in the tanker truck crash that spilled an estimated 8,000 gallons of ethanol into a nearby retention pond, but the truck is still being investigated by the Wisconsin State Patrol."
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TJP48
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:04:21 AM

Hello all these people that talk bad about the oil & gas ind. Use Natural gas to heat their homes and gasoline to drive. You think it is bad here i could bring you some really bad places Brazil, China and alot more !

Tommy
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James48843
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 6:41:34 PM

TRAIN CARRYING CANADIAN CRUDE OIL DERAILS, SPILLING 30,000 GALLONS

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-usa-derailment-oilspillbre92r02v-20130327,0,6413249.story

The cleanup was expected to take another day or two, officials said, after 14 cars on a 94-car train heading for the Chicago area left the tracks on Wednesday about 150 miles northwest of Minneapolis near the town of Parkers Prairie.

The spill, which has triggered an investigation by federal officials, came as a debate rages over the environmental risks of transporting Alberta tar sands crude across the border from Canada.

This was the first major spill since a boom in North American oil production began to outgrow the existing pipeline network, prompting a huge rise in crude-by-rail transport three years ago.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 8:14:31 PM

Hope not.
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 5:57:54 AM

And it will append again and again
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 10:25:47 AM

Youngstown gas driller indicted, accused of dumping fracking waste into river This one was not an accident.
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