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aRBy

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2011 8:02:42 PM

Oh the SHAME! :+)

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nurdco
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 12:12:47 AM

True EPA bar or pub
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aRBy
All-Star Author Grand Rapids

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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 11:01:57 PM

E85 has dropped 10 cents to 2.99/gal in W. Michigan
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 9:01:34 PM

"It might be an easy process. But, oxidizing methane to methanol reduces the energy value of the final product. The process would involve spending money to make the fuel more expensive. Does that make sense?"

It makes as much sense as extracting gasoline from crude oil.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2014 8:21:06 AM

"Most important, potential methanol supply is very large due to the ease in which natural gas converts to methanol."

It might be an easy process. But, oxidizing methane to methanol reduces the energy value of the final product. The process would involve spending money to make the fuel more expensive. Does that make sense?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2014 10:35:40 PM

I prefer to promote natural gas by conversion to methanol ("wood alcohol"). Methanol can be mixed freely with gasoline in the same tank. Most modern EFI cars will run on methanol/gasoline just fine. Some might need some inexpensive component changes, but methanol works as well as ethanol.

Most important, potential methanol supply is very large due to the ease in which natural gas converts to methanol.
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We should be promoting clean American natural gas in the forms of CNG and LNG to replace all oil based fuels.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 3:30:06 PM

"duhhh.....A small engine is typically a lower horsepower air cooled 2 cycle or 4 cycle equipment engine such as is made by Briggs & Stratton, Kohler or Tecumseh and used on lawn mowers, tillers, snow blowers, etc. "

The answer is still yes, Little Tommy. Small engines can and are designed to run on alcohol mixtures. There's nothing special about size. Many of the newer small engines use fuel injection. That makes switching between different fuels seamless.

Tried that #2 yellow corn yet?
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 2:46:40 PM

" "Small engines weren't designed to run on an alcohol mixture, can they?"

They can be and are. I just leased a 2014 Chevrolet Volt. The little 4 cylinder engine is designed for 15%ethanol."

duhhh.....A small engine is typically a lower horsepower air cooled 2 cycle or 4 cycle equipment engine such as is made by Briggs & Stratton, Kohler or Tecumseh and used on lawn mowers, tillers, snow blowers, etc. A Chevrolet Volt does not use a small engine.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 7:53:00 AM

Mine is not, having that stuff forced down it throat.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 6:58:45 AM

"Small engines weren't designed to run on an alcohol mixture, can they?"

They can be and are. I just leased a 2014 Chevrolet Volt. The little 4 cylinder engine is designed for 15%ethanol.

"Its still stupid to be burning food, when are they going to use some other plant material for ethanol production? "

First, why don't you try making a diet of unprocessed #2 yellow corn and then come back and tell us it's food. Second, the US is a surplus producer of grain, corn included. Every year corn growers produce a more corn than can be consumed. They are real good at meeting market demand. If less is needed, they simply grow less corn. Your logic is flawed.
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feldagast
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:46:18 PM

Small engines weren't designed to run on an alcohol mixture, can they? yes they can tolerate 10%, but even the coming mandate for 15% blends will start damaging those small motors. The makers might start making small engines that can tolerate higher percentages but existing ones aren't going to like it. Its still stupid to be burning food, when are they going to use some other plant material for ethanol production?
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 10:34:10 AM

Your vehicle should seek the assistance of AAA (Alcoholic Automobiles Anonymous).

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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 9:12:57 AM

My truck is getting that way....vodka.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 8:52:24 AM

"Does it run on Jim Beam?"

If the Jim Beam was 190 proof, of course.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 10:32:22 PM

"I wouldn't want ethanol in my gasoline even if it was free!"

Well... you have ethanol in your gasoline. What are you going to do about it?

Do you really expect me to believe you wouldn't run ethanol in your car if it were free?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 10:30:21 PM

krzysiek_ck

"My car nor my motorcycle nor my small engines were designed for ethanol!"

That's probably true when it comes to 100% ethanol. Most small engines sold today will run on a 15% ethanol mix. Most cars built after 2002 will run on E85 without much problem.

However, most small engines will not run on 100% ethanol. I'm sure it wouldn't take much to rig them to run on 100% ethanol, but they aren't sold out-of-the-box to run on 100% ethanol.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 10:24:32 PM

"Does it run on Jim Beam?"

I doubt it. It probably runs on Everclear, but that's kind of expensive.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 7:17:15 AM

Does it run on Jim Beam?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:50:02 AM

borsht wrote: "My car nor my motorcycle nor my small engines were designed for ethanol!"

Please explain with more details.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 10:04:31 AM

I want ethanol in my gasoline because it saves me money!
My car and my small engines run just fine on ethanol blends!
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borsht
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 6:01:26 AM

I wouldn't want ethanol in my gasoline even if it was free!
My car nor my motorcycle nor my small engines were designed for ethanol!

[Edited by: borsht at 11/7/2013 6:02:29 AM EST]
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 11:04:55 PM

$2.87/gal in Indiana last weekend.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2013 1:15:09 AM

Sammy:

I suspect it is going to drop a little bit more.
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Sammy197676
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2013 8:05:59 AM

2.99 lowest I seen here today in fayetteville nc
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM

2.94/gal today.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 10:40:26 PM

You Should Be OUTRAGED!!!!

In America, we have 487 different kinds of breakfast cereals to choose from. And there are, of course, other things you can have for breakfast besides cereal. But for one of your biggest expenses (fuel), you have only one choice at almost every filling station in the country and with almost every car on the road.

If petroleum was the only fuel that worked, this would be somewhat acceptable. But there are alternatives that are cheaper, burn cleaner, and make your car last longer, and your access to those fuels are being deliberately blocked. That should make our situation completely unacceptable to all of us.

How is our access being blocked? Oil companies make it very difficult or impossible for fuel station owners to offer any other fuel but petroleum. The oil industry has also invested heavily in car companies, which is why we see gasoline-only cars on the road with their flex-fuel capability disabled by the manufacturers, preventing you from having any choice at the pump. The American Petroleum Institute has helped create EPA regulations that prevent widespread use of alternative fuels. And the oil industry spends lavishly to influence politicians in Washington DC. The oil and gas industry employs 736 lobbyists in DC. Just to give you a number to compare that to, the NRA (which is considered a very powerful lobbying group) has 28 lobbyists. Saudi Arabia alone has 100 lobbyists in Washington. And the oil industry also spends lavishly on PR campaigns to discredit alternative fuels.

If this was happening with any other product, people would be completely outraged. But we've grown up with it, so it seems "normal." If there were other choices of breakfast cereal available, but the only one in the store was Cocoa Puffs because the Cocoa Puffs manufacturers were preventing stores from carrying anything else, people would be justifiably up in arms. I know I would. I hate Cocoa Puffs.

And breakfast cereal matters far less than fuel. Especially when you consider two other factors: Oil's monopoly allows OPEC to plunder the world's wealth, and what they are doing with that money is awful for everyone in the world, including their own citizens.

OPEC produces a large enough percentage of the world's oil production that they can cut their production by only a little to raise world oil prices, and they do exactly that. They've been doing it for years. They get together twice a year to determine what price they want, and they keep raising it, and we all keep paying it because we don't have any choice. Saudi Arabia, which has the biggest influence on OPEC, can produce a barrel of oil for less that $2. But they have raised oil to over $100 a barrel. Year after year they reap tremendous windfalls, providing them with almost unlimited funds, which they use to repress their own people, spread violent fundamentalism around the world, and corrupt our government.

This has got to stop, and the sooner the better. Put your outrage into action and let's get it done: START HERE!



[Edited by: aRBy at 10/14/2013 10:45:28 PM EST]
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 2:01:13 AM

3.09 and holding steady
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 10:42:09 PM

Still 3.09/gal while 87 Octane is 3.39/gal. E10 is the better value right now. Unfortunately, my car gets the DTs without its E85. :-)

On a more serious note, I don't mind paying a little more for E85. The money stays in the local economy and I think that's worthwhile.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2013 8:48:16 PM

My last fill-up was $3.09/gal. Still pretty stable given all the price swings on E10.
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 2:54:44 PM

Just a light one every week for my truck...
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Go Texans!
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 10:12:47 PM

$2.99 in Michigan City, Indiana yesterday (Sunday).

GO BEARS!!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 2:46:24 AM

same here... sailor drunk!
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 7:10:41 AM

staggeringly...or just off balance..?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 12:22:50 AM

Still 2.99/gal for E85. For all the fluctuations in gasoline (E10) prices, the price of E85 has been remarkably stable.
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 7:14:26 PM

Still $2.99 here in W. Michigan.

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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2013 9:55:22 AM

HIC !
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 11:20:15 PM

Stickyvalves:

That's exactly the way to think about it. If the cost of E85 is 85% of E10, it's breakeven.

I have also pointed out that it CAN be rationalized that E85 should be compared to the price of 92 Octane since E85 has a higher octane rating. However, for basic home economics, it's best to just compare E85 against the cost of 87 Octane (E10).
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 6:30:25 PM

Neither one of ours is addicted to ethanol!
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2013 3:11:01 PM

I drove last week at 33% price difference. I lose 16% mileage. You figure it out.
My work pickup goes straight because I control it!
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 10:11:43 PM

Still $2.99 even with all the price increases over the Labor Day holiday.
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 5:18:51 PM

12 step program?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:00:31 AM

E85 is still 2.99/gal and my local gas station even with the increases in 87 Octane and all other E10 grades.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2013 10:10:43 AM

E10 is ok
E15 is a little shakey
E85 no way
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:23:25 PM

Still $2.99/gal. Wondering if the price will increase with the general increase in gasoline prices.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 12:23:00 AM

Drunk?
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aRBy
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 11:31:01 PM

Still $2.99/gal. 105 Octane.

My car seems "happier" when I feed it ethanol. :-)
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 12:05:47 PM

MY CAR EATS IT UP
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 12:19:39 AM

Lol
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WhiskeyBurner
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 10:35:08 PM

"I filled my car with E10 the other day. I think it's having the DTs. :-) "

That's why I never let mine sober up ;-p
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