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outridin
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2008 2:46:46 PM

do you support ethanol?

would you prefer that it disappear?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 2:46:10 PM

"i see that no is super majority in this forum."

You don't?

I see an easy 10:1 against...
suchont
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 2:43:55 PM

i vote no ethanol.

i see that no is super majority in this forum. however, there is one fanatic, krzysiek_ck (crazy sick chick??? or chuck???), who is a vocal supporter of ethanol. clearly ethanol rule were not put up for vote, or all the no here weren't interested in voting when it was.
jay93LA
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 6:55:35 AM

no
giwan
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:22:24 AM

NO NO NO NO NO NO
MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:14:27 AM

No... Be gone with it.
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:09:34 AM

No
SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 3:26:53 PM

TxDaleJr88Fan, you were a butcher. Have you ever taken a macroeconomics course?
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 3:13:28 PM

TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "I'm not going to argue with you about it. I was in the business long enough to know better and if you can't see that so be it."

Yet you fail to answer simple questions. Why is that?

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/18/2013 3:13:40 PM EST]
46chief
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:32:59 PM

I don't like it, I don't use it. Take it away.
TxDaleJr88Fan
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:02:20 PM

Krzysiek_ck-- I'm not going to argue with you about it. I was in the business long enough to know better and if you can't see that so be it.

[Edited by: TxDaleJr88Fan at 2/18/2013 2:05:42 PM EST]
giwan
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:17:48 AM

Good Bye
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 9:45:53 AM

TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "Since there is less corn available on the market, It raises the cost of corn you eat and corn based products."

How exactly is the price effected? Does the transportation cost effect the price as well? What did effect the price of corn more ethanol or the cost of transportation?

TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "The beef, pork or chickens you eat are all fed corn."

What is the distillers grains, the byproduct of ethanol production?

TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "I used to be a butcher so I have seen the prices double or even triple throughout the years in the grocery business. And it is still rising. So if ethanol were eliminated, there would be more corn available on the market and therefore would drop food cost."

Do you understand what the corn surplus means? How come you don't include the cost of transportation into your little equation? Did the price of fuels doubled or even tripled throughout the years? Does the dollar depreciation effect the prices as well?

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/18/2013 9:50:02 AM EST]
Niko11
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:41:42 AM

No
nurdco
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:56:30 AM

Coloradovhas NO choice due to EPA
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 1:33:58 AM

No
TxDaleJr88Fan
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 12:42:57 AM

No!!!

Krzysiek_ck-- to answer your question how is ethanol raising food cost?

Since there is less corn available on the market, It raises the cost of corn you eat and corn based products. The beef, pork or chickens you eat are all fed corn. I used to be a butcher so I have seen the prices double or even triple throughout the years in the grocery business. And it is still rising. So if ethanol were eliminated, there would be more corn available on the market and therefore would drop food cost.

[Edited by: TxDaleJr88Fan at 2/18/2013 12:44:43 AM EST]
giwan
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 2:42:24 PM

No, it is a poor choice of fuel. Pushed by the corn lobby.
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 1:39:50 PM

CSF wrote: "All ethanol does is to raise food prices, increase the cost of government, and lower gasoline mileage."

How exactly is ethanol raising food prices?
07skydriver
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 1:38:15 PM

Let consumers decide.
CSF
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:38:44 PM

do you support ethanol?
Not only NO, but HELL NO!!

would you prefer that it disappear?
YES, DEFINITELY!!

All ethanol does is to raise food prices, increase the cost of government, and lower gasoline mileage.
R209
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 4:45:21 AM

No ethanol...
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:51:52 AM

NO
MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:08:30 AM

Corn on the table, not in my tank.
GarRafFra
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 10:52:48 PM

I am on the fence with this 1.

floridakeys
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 6:11:44 PM

No,no no!
Hannie59
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:18:06 PM

Palm beach reports brainwashing of it's psuedo newspaper reporter. More fabricated scare tactics.

GM, Ford, Chrysler, just announced full approval for all 2012 and 2013 models for E-15. ALL of them. You guys think the "changed" any parts to approve this, or do you think they knew all along E-15 was good to go, as haveing been proven many times by the EPA and the oil industry's cooked books study losing in court because of its fabricatory nature?


[Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/16/2013 2:22:58 PM EST]
MiataPrincess
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:02:48 PM

you might save money at the pump.but your lose it in mpg - no
jay93LA
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 1:27:14 PM

no
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 5:24:59 AM

[L=http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/controversial-motor-fuel-with-more-ethanol-raises-/nWMcw/][/L]

no
emtrob2012
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:09:25 PM

no
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:47:25 PM

jscargo411 wrote: "And they said it wouldn't effect food prices!"

How exactly is ethanol effecting food prices?
jscargo411
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 3:30:31 PM

No

And they said it wouldn't effect food prices!
wickstick83
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 1:41:30 PM

boo
Niko11
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:13:02 AM

NO, recall ethanol.
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:52:05 AM

NO
Jmac2008
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 1:29:07 AM

NO
jack4141
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 1:24:07 AM

No
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 12:33:52 AM

NO
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 1:13:49 AM

No
KARZINON
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 12:18:13 PM

Yes, but maybe not 10%. I like that we have it as an additive or alternative.
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:20:09 AM

Yes.
jay93LA
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:56:36 AM

no
DRIVEOFFWI
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:27:24 PM

n
ace12012
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 2:16:19 PM

no to ethanol.
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 9:55:36 AM

NO
KJC4043
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:59:06 AM

No
alphanyr
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:32:04 PM

No
krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:04:32 PM

borsht wrote: "If you want cleaning, there are much better cleaners than alcohol."

Please list them here with detailed explanation on how exactly they are better.

borsht wrote: "Use pur gasoline for gasoline designed systems,"

What is "pur gasoline"? In case you meant "pure gasoline", explain how is a mix of about 150 chemicals pure.

borsht wrote: "Blending the two gives you the worst of both worlds."

Maybe if you blend diesel with gasoline.

[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/9/2013 5:10:09 PM EST]
borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:46:41 PM

In my previous post it looks like the url has the html sufix abreviated to just hm.
The link should be:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0708_car_gasoline_ethanol/viewall.html
borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:41:36 PM

Mustangmag has a good informative article on car fuel.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0708_car_gasoline_ethanol/viewall.html
borsht
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:38:31 PM

If you want cleaning, there are much better cleaners than alcohol.
Alcohol will not clean the adverse deposits on injector caused by burning gasoline for example.
Pure alcohol won't leave these deposits, but the burn ratios of air to fuel are completely different for the two. Pick a fuel and go with it.
Use pur gasoline for gasoline designed systems,
Use alcohol for systems designed for alcohol.
use diesel in systems designed for diesel.
Blending the two gives you the worst of both worlds.

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