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outridin Champion Author Illinois Posts:15,726 Points:3,056,860 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2008 2:46:46 PM Ignore outridin Report Abuse do you support ethanol? would you prefer that it disappear?

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do you support ethanol?

would you prefer that it disappear?

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Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,148 Points:2,188,085 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 2:46:10 PM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse "i see that no is super majority in this forum." You don't? I see an easy 10:1 against...
suchont Veteran Author Los Angeles Posts:308 Points:166,715 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 2:43:55 PM Ignore suchont Report Abuse i vote no ethanol. i see that no is super majority in this forum. however, there is one fanatic, krzysiek_ck (crazy sick chick??? or chuck???), who is a vocal supporter of ethanol. clearly ethanol rule were not put up for vote, or all the no here weren't interested in voting when it was.
jay93LA Champion Author New Orleans Posts:2,464 Points:602,635 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 6:55:35 AM Ignore jay93LA Report Abuse no
giwan All-Star Author Michigan Posts:500 Points:90,605 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:22:24 AM Ignore giwan Report Abuse NO NO NO NO NO NO
MikeCapeCoral Champion Author Cape Coral Posts:1,948 Points:422,770 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:14:27 AM Ignore MikeCapeCoral Report Abuse No... Be gone with it.
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 12:09:34 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse No
SilverStreaker Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,950 Points:2,219,235 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 3:26:53 PM Ignore SilverStreaker Report Abuse TxDaleJr88Fan, you were a butcher. Have you ever taken a macroeconomics course?
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 3:13:28 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "I'm not going to argue with you about it. I was in the business long enough to know better and if you can't see that so be it." Yet you fail to answer simple questions. Why is that? [Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/18/2013 3:13:40 PM EST]
46chief Sophomore Author Indiana Posts:136 Points:1,828,470 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:32:59 PM Ignore 46chief Report Abuse I don't like it, I don't use it. Take it away.
TxDaleJr88Fan Champion Author College Station Posts:4,100 Points:328,600 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:02:20 PM Ignore TxDaleJr88Fan Report Abuse Krzysiek_ck-- I'm not going to argue with you about it. I was in the business long enough to know better and if you can't see that so be it. [Edited by: TxDaleJr88Fan at 2/18/2013 2:05:42 PM EST]
giwan All-Star Author Michigan Posts:500 Points:90,605 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:17:48 AM Ignore giwan Report Abuse Good Bye
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 9:45:53 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "Since there is less corn available on the market, It raises the cost of corn you eat and corn based products." How exactly is the price effected? Does the transportation cost effect the price as well? What did effect the price of corn more ethanol or the cost of transportation? TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "The beef, pork or chickens you eat are all fed corn." What is the distillers grains, the byproduct of ethanol production? TxDaleJr88Fan wrote: "I used to be a butcher so I have seen the prices double or even triple throughout the years in the grocery business. And it is still rising. So if ethanol were eliminated, there would be more corn available on the market and therefore would drop food cost." Do you understand what the corn surplus means? How come you don't include the cost of transportation into your little equation? Did the price of fuels doubled or even tripled throughout the years? Does the dollar depreciation effect the prices as well? [Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/18/2013 9:50:02 AM EST]
Niko11 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,768 Points:734,215 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 5:41:42 AM Ignore Niko11 Report Abuse No
nurdco Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:9,250 Points:1,697,335 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 2:56:30 AM Ignore nurdco Report Abuse Coloradovhas NO choice due to EPA
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 1:33:58 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse No
TxDaleJr88Fan Champion Author College Station Posts:4,100 Points:328,600 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 12:42:57 AM Ignore TxDaleJr88Fan Report Abuse No!!! Krzysiek_ck-- to answer your question how is ethanol raising food cost? Since there is less corn available on the market, It raises the cost of corn you eat and corn based products. The beef, pork or chickens you eat are all fed corn. I used to be a butcher so I have seen the prices double or even triple throughout the years in the grocery business. And it is still rising. So if ethanol were eliminated, there would be more corn available on the market and therefore would drop food cost. [Edited by: TxDaleJr88Fan at 2/18/2013 12:44:43 AM EST]
giwan All-Star Author Michigan Posts:500 Points:90,605 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 2:42:24 PM Ignore giwan Report Abuse No, it is a poor choice of fuel. Pushed by the corn lobby.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 1:39:50 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse CSF wrote: "All ethanol does is to raise food prices, increase the cost of government, and lower gasoline mileage." How exactly is ethanol raising food prices?
07skydriver Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,275 Points:986,010 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 1:38:15 PM Ignore 07skydriver Report Abuse Let consumers decide.
CSF Sophomore Author Cincinnati Posts:170 Points:116,630 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:38:44 PM Ignore CSF Report Abuse do you support ethanol? Not only NO, but HELL NO!! would you prefer that it disappear? YES, DEFINITELY!! All ethanol does is to raise food prices, increase the cost of government, and lower gasoline mileage.
R209 Champion Author California Posts:6,663 Points:244,520 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 4:45:21 AM Ignore R209 Report Abuse No ethanol...
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:51:52 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse NO
MikeCapeCoral Champion Author Cape Coral Posts:1,948 Points:422,770 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:08:30 AM Ignore MikeCapeCoral Report Abuse Corn on the table, not in my tank.
GarRafFra Sophomore Author Worcester Posts:167 Points:16,150 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 10:52:48 PM Ignore GarRafFra Report Abuse I am on the fence with this 1.
floridakeys All-Star Author Columbus Posts:691 Points:274,110 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 6:11:44 PM Ignore floridakeys Report Abuse No,no no!
Hannie59 All-Star Author Appleton Posts:595 Points:15,825 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:18:06 PM Ignore Hannie59 Report Abuse Palm beach reports brainwashing of it's psuedo newspaper reporter. More fabricated scare tactics. GM, Ford, Chrysler, just announced full approval for all 2012 and 2013 models for E-15. ALL of them. You guys think the "changed" any parts to approve this, or do you think they knew all along E-15 was good to go, as haveing been proven many times by the EPA and the oil industry's cooked books study losing in court because of its fabricatory nature? [Edited by: Hannie59 at 2/16/2013 2:22:58 PM EST]
MiataPrincess All-Star Author Des Moines Posts:629 Points:102,775 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:02:48 PM Ignore MiataPrincess Report Abuse you might save money at the pump.but your lose it in mpg - no
jay93LA Champion Author New Orleans Posts:2,464 Points:602,635 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 1:27:14 PM Ignore jay93LA Report Abuse no
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 5:24:59 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse [L=http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/controversial-motor-fuel-with-more-ethanol-raises-/nWMcw/][/L] no
emtrob2012 All-Star Author Myrtle Beach Posts:924 Points:152,855 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:09:25 PM Ignore emtrob2012 Report Abuse no
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:47:25 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse jscargo411 wrote: "And they said it wouldn't effect food prices!" How exactly is ethanol effecting food prices?
jscargo411 Rookie Author Mississippi Posts:7 Points:36,070 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 3:30:31 PM Ignore jscargo411 Report Abuse No And they said it wouldn't effect food prices!
wickstick83 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:1,020 Points:268,045 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 1:41:30 PM Ignore wickstick83 Report Abuse boo
Niko11 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,768 Points:734,215 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 8:13:02 AM Ignore Niko11 Report Abuse NO, recall ethanol.
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:52:05 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse NO
Jmac2008 Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,289 Points:884,065 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 1:29:07 AM Ignore Jmac2008 Report Abuse NO
jack4141 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,995 Points:696,530 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 1:24:07 AM Ignore jack4141 Report Abuse No
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 12:33:52 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse NO
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 1:13:49 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse No
KARZINON Rookie Author Madison Posts:28 Points:8,900 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 12:18:13 PM Ignore KARZINON Report Abuse Yes, but maybe not 10%. I like that we have it as an additive or alternative.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:20:09 AM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse Yes.
jay93LA Champion Author New Orleans Posts:2,464 Points:602,635 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 7:56:36 AM Ignore jay93LA Report Abuse no
DRIVEOFFWI Sophomore Author Milwaukee Posts:123 Points:314,610 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 5:27:24 PM Ignore DRIVEOFFWI Report Abuse n
ace12012 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,680 Points:326,860 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 2:16:19 PM Ignore ace12012 Report Abuse no to ethanol.
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 9:55:36 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse NO
KJC4043 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,608 Points:563,090 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:59:06 AM Ignore KJC4043 Report Abuse No
alphanyr Champion Author Connecticut Posts:4,855 Points:678,675 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:32:04 PM Ignore alphanyr Report Abuse No
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,343 Points:732,060 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:04:32 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse borsht wrote: "If you want cleaning, there are much better cleaners than alcohol." Please list them here with detailed explanation on how exactly they are better. borsht wrote: "Use pur gasoline for gasoline designed systems," What is "pur gasoline"? In case you meant "pure gasoline", explain how is a mix of about 150 chemicals pure. borsht wrote: "Blending the two gives you the worst of both worlds." Maybe if you blend diesel with gasoline. [Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 2/9/2013 5:10:09 PM EST]
borsht All-Star Author Oakland Posts:812 Points:193,615 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:46:41 PM Ignore borsht Report Abuse In my previous post it looks like the url has the html sufix abreviated to just hm. The link should be: http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0708_car_gasoline_ethanol/viewall.html
borsht All-Star Author Oakland Posts:812 Points:193,615 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:41:36 PM Ignore borsht Report Abuse Mustangmag has a good informative article on car fuel. http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/engine/mufp_0708_car_gasoline_ethanol/viewall.html