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Bonito

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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2007 8:17:31 PM

The stations I see are charging the same or more for E85, SO WHO WANTS IT? So we are using less oil -- big deal! E85 will not fly in the US unless we ARE REQUIRED to use it or IT'S CHEAPER!
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thirstyV8suv
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 8:49:15 PM

what is most regular 87 octane these days - e10?

[Edited by: thirstyV8suv at 4/9/2014 8:50:14 PM EST]
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TX_HOU
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 6:29:35 PM

Convert food into fuel!!
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vaporlock13
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 2:02:43 PM

If E-85 is good then build cars to run on 100 % ethanol and to hell with the oil companies.
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Floridaman2013
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 7:05:48 AM

After using E-15 in my FFV and non-FFV for over 4 years, the mileage doesn't seem to make much difference, maybe 1 MPG in the NON-FFV.
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 6:39:08 PM

GrumpyCat says "The EPA does real testing and says otherwise."
Prove your claim. Everything that I've read says that they use indolene clear for gasoline mpg testing and calculate the E85 mileage based on the BTU values of the two.
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barryo62
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 6:08:26 PM

SoylentGrain and Bonito share your good corn recipes since you call corn food.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 3:18:36 PM

"Although I get slightly less mileage from E85, I will top off a tank in my FFV truck to ride out large price spikes at the pump. I get better mileage than a full tank of E85 when I do this But right now, E85 is more than regular, so I won't be using it until it comes back down. Most of the times, it is .40-.50 less per gallon than regular."

It needs to be 2/3rds the price of E10 to break even due to the MPG hit.

Deniers say E85 MPG is same as E10 but they are delusional. The EPA does real testing and says otherwise.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 1:11:12 PM

Sounds like its heading back down, if true, I'll buy it again.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 2:24:00 PM

recently it is costing more and nobody is going to buy it (i.e. less gasoline for MORE money) until the price comes back down. I hear the price spike is due to lack of shipping due to the harsh winter and increased oil shipments.
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rando991
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 12:33:30 PM

Although I get slightly less mileage from E85, I will top off a tank in my FFV truck to ride out large price spikes at the pump. I get better mileage than a full tank of E85 when I do this But right now, E85 is more than regular, so I won't be using it until it comes back down. Most of the times, it is .40-.50 less per gallon than regular.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 12:03:23 PM

Bonito wrote: "because we will run out of food long before we run out of OIL!"

Spoken as a true armchair expert.
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Bonito
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 11:41:31 AM

We need to eat corn and not burn it! Why? --

--because we will run out of food long before we run out of OIL!
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RS101
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2014 9:12:17 AM

Its not good for much. It may be cheaper to put in your vehicle, but you often have to fill up more frequently so it may just be a wash.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2014 6:59:06 PM

"We need to eat the corn and not burn it! "

Because?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 2:54:38 PM

Bonito wrote: "We need to eat the corn and not burn it!"

We are doing both.
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Bonito
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 9:37:41 AM

We need to eat the corn and not burn it!
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2014 7:52:01 PM

If your car is not equipped to handle E-85 do you want to risk ruining what you do have?
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pghbill
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 1:00:55 AM

nothing
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rodmiser
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2013 11:22:40 AM

taking money
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 6:10:48 PM

E85 Does a great job cleaning fuel systems , fuel injectors , fuel tanks ,ect

if you have a car/truck that has been sitting with old gasoline , 1/2 a tank of E85 and the rest E10 , you can save yourself a lot of trouble

it really does work . it works with any car no matter how old

make sure you carry an extra fuel filter and the tools to change it , you may have to on the fly

no need for "gumout" with E85 around

It works so well that everyone should run a 1/2 tank every 6 months just to keep things clean

sadly i have lost my only source for E85

[Edited by: CactusBobs at 12/9/2013 6:19:39 PM EST]
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buddy_maynard
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 4:58:31 PM

E85 is about 50 cents cheaper at the one fuel station near me (Speedway). The problem is that you get fewer miles out of a gallon of E85 compared to regular fuel (90% gasoline and 10% ethanol). But, the octane rating is much higher (I think 110), giving more performance (when the vehicle is tuned/fitted for E85).

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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 4:18:14 PM

Nice try... the ethanol in E85 won't do much to your weeds, but the 15% denaturant (gasoline) will.
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 3:21:38 PM

So far, I haven't found any use whatsoever for E-85 (Ethanol) except as a weed killer!
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 2:49:36 PM

Maybe it's time to admit that food isn't the only thing we put in our bodies; what we burn in our factories, vehicles and power plants eventually makes its way into our lungs, our skin, and our water tables.

Is the brick wall between food and fuel really something we want to reinforce?

As our global philosophy creeps toward the understanding that "all things are connected", perhaps building our food & fuel foundations on the same low-toxicity resource isn't such a bad idea.

And to say that eating is more important than transportation is a bit of a stretch, in a world where virtually everything we eat is shipped, floated, or flown to us. The key: mutual importance.

[Edited by: darwinfinch at 12/9/2013 2:49:24 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 2:19:49 PM

Bonito wrote: "Maybe we need to eat the corn and not burn it!"

Did you ever try eating field corn? Give it a try and report back.
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Bonito
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 11:52:20 AM

Maybe we need to eat the corn and not burn it!
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E85_FTMFW
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 12:22:06 AM

Hmmm let's see. It's good for 105oct at less than $3 a gallon vs race gas at 110oct for 10-15$. It's detonation resistance is 10x that of regular gasoline, aiding in virtually eliminating knock in turbo vehicles. It's cooling and efficiency properties are out of this world... Exhaust gas temps( thus temps in the motor) are typically 200-350 degrees cooler vs 93oct. I gain 250 hp at the wheels on e85 with nothing but a tune change. I can run a full 12* more timing and 15psi more boost. If you can't understand those advantages.... You're a fugging moron

[Edited by: E85_FTMFW at 11/7/2013 12:22:29 AM EST]
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 9:46:35 AM

So many well-thought-out viewpoints from the supporters of ethanol and biofuels.

The other side typically just posts things like "I hate it!" and "good for Nothing!" and "I heard it wrecks my car" without any logical basis.

When in doubt, follow the science & logic.
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Boyrr
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2013 6:58:51 AM

good for Nothing!
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 4:39:04 PM

"E85 is good for increasing the price of food. "

Are you aware the US is a surplus producer of grain, especially corn? The US produces more corn than we can consume as food, feed, ethanol, and chemicals. Tell us again how ethanol increases food prices.
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Timons
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 3:58:56 PM

E85 is good for increasing the price of food.
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darwinfinch
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 10:48:06 AM

Note that this post is from 2007, when OP claimed that E85 would not fly.

Here, almost 7 years later, E85 has expanded, more people are using it, it's DRASTICALLY cheaper than the old fashioned fuel (it has dropped significantly), and multiple companies are now making renewable fuel from non-food sources, largely disabling the food vs fuel debate. The technology behind ethanol has improved, is more efficient, more profitable, cleaner, and more supportive of local agriculture.

In that same time period we've seen crude oil prices more than double as Big Oil desperately drills, fracks, and bombs the core geology of our land speculating for more "black gold". They have resorted to squishing oil out of sand pits at double the cost to our wallets and our environment. This tar sand approach is their "technological advancement" of the past 7 years.

I'm sorry but if you're still using the old stuff, you either haven't thought about the choice you have, or you've been confused by a large corporation with a lot of marketing dollars.
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2013 8:30:23 AM

Nothing I have ever found
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SnowPlowingTom
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2013 7:41:54 AM

E 85 voids warranty
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pghbill
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2013 12:15:31 AM

you get worse milage with e85
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 6:37:00 PM

I've use over 45% ethanol in a 2003 Honda CRV and over 70% in a Ford Windstar with no significant change in mileage and have never experienced any performance or maintenance issues from ethanol.
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TrailriderMO
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 12:51:51 PM

Driving up the price of anything that uses corn and ruining my engines.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 10:53:31 AM

I don't see any measurable difference, either.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 9:04:44 AM

BigHorne1 wrote: "giving you worse mpg even if your vehicle is engineered for it"

Strange, I use E35 in my non-FFV vehicle and I get the same MPGs comparing to E10.
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 8:19:52 AM

giving you worse mpg even if your vehicle is engineered for it
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 11:51:38 AM

amistad51 wrote: "Animal waste and sewer run-off also has a role. Although sewer technology is now to the point of cleaning the water very well, sometimes we have sewer contamination when there is flooding."

How much damage is done by animal waste vs. fertilizer? How much by sewer?

amistad51 wrote: "After a petroleum spill there is a lot of damage but with time the ocean has a chance to heal."

How long does that take? Is Gulf of Mexico already healed?
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 9:06:57 AM

amistad51, dead zones occur around the world, including areas with minimal agriculture.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 8:38:27 AM

It's great for destroying an engine.
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amistad51
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 10:53:48 AM

Are you sure that fertilizer alone is causing the problems in the gulf of Mexico? How exactly is it worst then "all the petroleum spills"?

ans. Phosphates and nitrogen are the main ingredients and it is mainly caused by agriculture run-off. Animal waste and sewer run-off also has a role. Although sewer technology is now to the point of cleaning the water very well, sometimes we have sewer contamination when there is flooding.
This year they were expecting the dead zone to be of the size of the state of New Jersey.
After a petroleum spill there is a lot of damage but with time the ocean has a chance to heal. I just visit the emerald coast and it looks very good and their local fish tasted very good. But the Gulf dead zone is kind of chronic, the damage keep happening. Also if this would have been caused by oil I can imagine the media strongly reporting this day after day... And the lawyers going after big oil pockets...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 11:17:44 AM

amistad51 wrote: "We also need a lot of fertilizer and insecticide some of it ends in the gulf of Mexico and it has damaged a vast area of the sea. Far worst than all the petroleum spills."

Are you sure that fertilizer alone is causing the problems in the gulf of Mexico? How exactly is it worst then "all the petroleum spills"?
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 9:23:31 AM

I haven't seen this...
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amistad51
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 9:16:12 AM

We also need a lot of fertilizer and insecticide some of it ends in the gulf of Mexico and it has damaged a vast area of the sea. Far worst than all the petroleum spills.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 9:01:36 AM

Well the us is at its Lowest levels of foreign oil imports since the 60's. This means we are producing more of our own using the newer technology. Yes we may be using less oil I. General but for the most part our oil co sumption is being more and more sustained by our own reserves... Best way to put it is... Its a start
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2013 2:14:42 PM

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moosepooler
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 9:59:26 AM

have not seen a gas station up here that sells it
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