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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 12:01:00 AM

Does the Lac-Mégantic train accident change your opinion about the relative merits of rail v. pipeline for delivery of crude oil?
Yes
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NakedDriver
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:45:35 AM

ə it does not change my opinion, but should raise safety issues in the transportation departments of all countries where rail shipping of petroleum is practiced. ə
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SillyMe6969
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 3:37:36 PM

no
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phpearso
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 2:42:20 PM

no
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123Bucks
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 11:41:04 PM

No.
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redvetric
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 6:28:50 PM

it only convinces me that pipeline is safer and more efficient than rail. I know that when oil was first discovered for use in lanterns that pipelines were built to cut cost and I haven't seen any great exodus back to rail. the people who do these things keep track of these things for just that reason. which brings us to the keystone pipeline, I would suggest to you that the reason the administration will not sign off on it is to keep the price high in order to discourage use of oil. but like in the movie " day of the condor " when we start to run out of it they won't care where you get it(oil)
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123Bucks
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2013 11:00:45 PM

No opinion.
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NWsteelhedrguy
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 4:44:39 PM

I fail to see any appropriate correlation. Both methods have pros and cons, upsides and downsides, merits and drawbacks. However, the train mishap does not, in any way, change my opinion about delivery of crude oil, and if one method is better than the other.
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daklipper
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2013 9:54:41 AM

no, I think pipeline can be significantly safer and less costly provided that it is not ignored and maintained properly. As far as rail, it can be just as safe if rail companies dont go cheapo and stick one man on a train and expect that person to perform flawlessly, after being in a stressful situation earlier in the day. Where was the rail response, why didnt anyone help the engineer with the train before the accident? who knows but I hold the rail company solely responsible for setting a situation that could have been prevented provided there where enough staff on hand and proper procedures in place. oh and to blame dot 111 cars is just stupid. All of that is an after the fact (failed procedures and rail company el cheapo) analysis.
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nickyspoon
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 12:51:56 PM

No not really
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SammyDA
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 3:06:05 PM

Yes
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snoop4u2
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 1:09:32 PM

this was conductor error bring on the oil
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:00:09 AM

My message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:27:19 PM read as follows:

"It seems as though the consensus among BBs for the safest means of transporting crude oil is via pipeline, however, there is still a sizeable group opposed to the Keystone XL."

It should have said "GBs" and not "BBs".

[Edited by: SammyAdams at 7/28/2013 12:02:20 AM EST]
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MammyJammer
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:54:53 PM

I'm happy that my dog is finely eating cheese.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:27:19 PM

It seems as though the consensus among BBs for the safest means of transporting crude oil is via pipeline, however, there is still a sizeable group opposed to the Keystone XL.
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RambleOn
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:25:47 PM

NMRawker: Very good comment. Water profitability... Tell that to Poland Spring or any of the communities who live in drought areas...



[Edited by: RambleOn at 7/27/2013 11:28:25 PM EST]
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LJGP_MO95
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 10:34:25 PM

Why would it
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toadNY
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 10:30:57 PM

No. A pipe line would be safer but nobozo will not approve it!
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X1962X
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:57:18 PM

No, But a pipeline is much safer, cheaper than any other means of transporting oil, or gas.
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NMRawker
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:02:55 PM

My problem is they can transport oil across the world but yet they cannot pipe the flood waters on the east coast to the west/southwest where it is so desperately needed. Top that with the fact that no one is doing anything to achieve this - they are all too consumed into moving oil. I've heard the argument that water isn't profitable so this is why no one gives a rip about it. Really? Water isn't profitable? Right!!
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99Truck
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:47:28 PM

Always thought pipeline was safest and cheapest. The train accident didn't change my thinking.
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P_I_STONE
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:14:54 PM

No
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ranger1169
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:00:34 PM

No
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SnakeW
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 6:02:41 PM

Always thought pipeline was safer and cheaper over the long haul.
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TheMightyZaxon
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:22:35 PM

Be careful what you think. The Brain Police are listening.
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joelube
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:05:29 PM

yes
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SuperMoto
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:05:45 PM

No!
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TTM77
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:52:56 PM

I know nothing about train so no opinion.
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Saab93turbo
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:18:00 PM

It's a reminder that it is not "all pipelines are evil, truck and rail delivery is fine".
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theocean
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:15:44 PM

no
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foggie
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 12:49:13 PM

No, I have always felt pipe line is the way to go.
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AlTraveler
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 12:30:50 PM

No
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Bonanza
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:26:16 AM

Yes
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00MrSlate00
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:24:05 AM

NO, we can learn from this accident. Place in addition safety measures where we can prevent this from ever happening again.
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US_ICEMAN
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:20:16 AM

No
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keo
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:15:41 AM

no
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Lbro
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 10:31:41 AM

Go electric!
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dannomillano
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 9:19:07 AM

The transportation of fuel, such as crude oil, NG, gas, diesel and propane all offer risks, whether it is transported by rail, truck or pipeline. There is human error and mechanical failure.

Human error is somewhat controllable, but even the best trained and most experience people get complacent and make mistakes.

As far as mechanical failure, there are two categories. Ones that have failed and ones that will fail.

Just my opinion.
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janmj
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 9:05:45 AM

No....Just have to hire competent people
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chui
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:30:16 AM

no .......
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cigarman409
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:02:17 AM

build the pipe line
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cigarman409
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:00:35 AM

concerning
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jorjab
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:22:08 AM

frankly I had not thought about the train wreck that way!
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zacksnanny
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 6:44:14 AM

No Opinion
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Lengas
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 6:27:45 AM

No. Don't use trains, way too many accidents.
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Ziggy1962
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:38:27 AM

Both have risks.
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jimmy123NE
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:54:01 AM

NO.
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pkhdonovan
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:33:51 AM

no method is fail proof
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:06:46 AM

already knew trains were more dangerous compared to pipeline when consider massive quantity.
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Mr_Gas_95437
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:54:46 AM

Freight Train vs Lac-Meg Train ??? Give Me a Break...As Long As IT Stays on a Freight Train...No Problem
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OKRifle
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 1:19:54 AM

Absolutely not!
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