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pmurray63

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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 1:06:14 PM

While there's a "Report abuse" link for every comment on a news post, there's no good way to alert the mods of an inappropriate news posting.

The quality of news posts has been declining lately, with (for example) links to somebody's blog expressing his crank opinion on things. Today there's one that's basically a promo for a convention, without even the pretext of being news. Or there are posts that have nothing to do with "energy, clean energy, petroleum (oil, gasoline, other fuels), automobiles, transportation (primarily autos), vehicle safety" to quote the article submission rules.

Can we add some mechanism to address this shortcoming?



[Edited by: pmurray63 at 7/2/2014 1:08:46 PM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 6:30:45 PM

It seems jrsva has answered the question posed at the end of the OP. so unless the author wishes to propose an alternative method to the Report Abuse button, this is not really a suggestion.
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 10:18:15 AM

For the record, since it has been deleted, I did not realize that it was somewhat of a duplicate (different site, different article, different headline). The submission form didn't catch it either. Sorry.

As for "off-topic and inappropriate" ... that would apply to denier articles as well. Just so we're all clear about that ...



[Edited by: pmurray63 at 7/23/2014 10:20:07 AM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 10:08:30 AM

Here's another one to self report:

It is a repeat, off topic and inappropriate story all in one.
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 6:41:46 PM

Thanks jrsva, I did just that and a global warming story was removed today.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 10:12:50 AM

Must have Bar1035, because the topic: 'Climate models on the mark, Australian-led research finds' has been removed.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 7:10:55 AM

Or did the OP of this thread report this

http://www.charlottegasprices.com/news/Climate_models_on_the_mark_Australian_led_research_finds/88803_579472/index.aspx
Submitted Today By: pmurray63

[Edited by: bar1035 at 7/21/2014 7:11:26 AM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 6:29:25 PM

I wonder if the OP of this thread has reported the following?:

Protecting Western Massachusetts Farms: Down with Fracking and the Kinder Morgan Pipeline - Huff Post Green

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rocknvox
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 4:58:04 PM

4 of the five news stories were either old or there was nothing there. somebody is not doing their job.
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 4:51:02 PM

first two stories are repeats, third is not there.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 2:46:28 AM

I have not read everything in this thread but I have not noticed where anyone has answered the question Pmurray asked in the OP.

In order to report abuse in Newsville, go to the forum entitled “Daily News Article Discussions” and find the topic there. You will see that each topic has a “Report Abuse” button for the OP as well as for each reply/comment.

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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 12:12:18 PM

exactly drpepper,

Pmurray proves he can cut and paste the submission rules.

But he doesn't understand the subject matter. Proof below.

"energy, clean energy, petroleum (oil, gasoline, other fuels), automobiles, transportation (primarily autos), vehicle safety"

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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 12:02:30 PM

So you think a Bloomberg News story on an official NOAA report is left-wing?

I think I've proven my case.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 9:52:51 AM

Yes Bar1035, that's exactly the kind of submissions the OP says we need a way of reporting as off topic/inappropriate/repeat news postings.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 9:06:08 PM

You mean stuff like this?

http://www.charlottegasprices.com/news/Latest_State_of_the_Climate_Yup_Still_Getting_Hotter/88697_579259/index.aspx

Submitted Today By: pmurray63
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 10:14:03 AM

"Okay, twice. Shrug.

I didn't link to MSNBC; I linked to NBC News. There's a difference."

====================================================================

Interesting how some can just shrug off lies and misinformation, is it not?

You didn't link to MSNBC? Are you sure?

Posted by pmurray63: Jun 23, 2014 8:49:06 AM:

Topic: Congressional Republicans ignore even GOP voices on climate- MSNBC

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 7:39:19 AM

"As Stephen Colbert observed, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

Surely no one considers Colbert a reliable source of much more than political satire?
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 1:26:32 AM

Okay, twice. Shrug.

I didn't link to MSNBC; I linked to NBC News. There's a difference.

Climate Central? That's rational, scientific and fact-based ... so I can see why you might consider it liberal. As Stephen Colbert observed, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

You didn't even know what Mashable was before. (I bet you still don't.) Now you're just lumping it in with your other boogeymen. Excuse me, boogeypersons. ;)

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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 11:31:36 PM

"I don't recall ever linking to Bill Moyers' site, but I suppose it's possible I did once."

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Possible? Once? How about back to back on the same day?

Posted by pmurray63: May 17, 2014 11:03:43 AM:

Topic: Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists- Billmoyers.com

Posted by pmurray63: May 17, 2014 10:56:29 AM:

Topic: The Relentless Attack on Climate Scientist Ben Santer- Billmoyers.com

Only a liberal would not consider:

Slate
Newsweek
Quartz
NPR
MSNBC
NY Times
Climate Central
The Week
Daily Beast
Time
Mashable

to be politically left wing.


[Edited by: drpepperTX at 7/16/2014 11:32:55 PM EST]
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 10:33:45 AM

I don't recall ever linking to Bill Moyers' site, but I suppose it's possible I did once. Since you say I've posted 110 stories, that means I've done it ... 1% of the time.

I find the rest of your list pretty hilarious. It appears that you've bought the "liberal media" spin so popular among conservatives hook, line and sinker.

I will put my source list up against anyone's.

For my own amusement, yesterday I compiled all of sources for the month of July so far:

Bloomberg/Business Week (5)
Automotive News (4)
Detroit News (3)
Atlantic/Quartz (2)
Slate (2)
USA Today (2)
PickupTrucks.com (2)
Kiplinger's
The Hill
Los Angeles Times
NBC News
Scientific American
Washington Post
Toronto Star
Newsweek
Kelley Blue Book
Live Science
NPR
Autoblog
Business Insider
US News & World Report

Wow, call the House Committee on Un-American Activities. What a bunch of commies.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 11:23:32 PM

"Such as? Please be specific and provide a list. I post links to stories at mainstream and relevant industry news sites."
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Since you insist I'll list a few from just the first page or so of your submissions:

Slate (multiple times)
BillMoyers.com (multiple)
Newsweek (multiple)
Quartz
NPR
MSNBC
NY Times
Climate Central
The Week
Daily Beast
Time
Mashable (whatever that is, certainly not mainstream)
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largobob
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 5:37:04 PM

SUVfan - the National review piece was also 3 days old. The same person posted a 5 day old article on Sunday. The posting person apparently picks articles and waits till just after midnight and posts them. Many GBers do not even know there are other articles than the "front 5" or that you can vote on them. I mean really. 50 votes when there are thousands of members?

It is good to see GB started to look just a little. Maybe us whining like 3 year olds made a difference?
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 5:09:09 PM

From the original post:

"While there's a "Report abuse" link for every comment on a news post, there's no good way to alert the mods of an inappropriate news posting."

Maybe go to the Daily News Article Discussions section of the forum, find the article thread, and then use the Report Abuse link on the originating article post.
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 4:29:18 PM

I noticed the previous deletion, and am glad to see this one as well.

Deleting stories from blatantly political sides (right and left, although there's certainly been a lot more of one than the other) is a good start.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 1:57:15 PM

Today's top vote-getter so far, with a whopping 46 votes, is titled, "EPA Tries to Cut Off Crucial Supply of Military Surplus Trucks for Fire Departments". It's been zapped!

The only trace of it I could find was it's standing in the daily top 5 news. No longer in the article list, it will disappear altogether if 5 stories end up with higher vote totals.

They also zapped a piece on Saturday -- one that had much less to do with the site's submission guidelines than the EPA item did. But the EPA piece was from National Review and most likely was viewed as being political.



[Edited by: SUVFan at 7/14/2014 2:02:17 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 1:24:42 PM

It's very unlikely that anything more is going to be developed. Scoutmaster's suggestion of using the "contact us" tool is the best available, but don't expect quick action. I suspect that is why there has been only one page of stories for some time now. I think the site philosophy may have evolved to counting on new submissions to push the old ones off the page and back to oblivion. Drpepper_TX' admonition to all of us to "relax" about Newsville appears to be firmly grounded in that reality.

A lot of it has to do with taste. My concept of a great article might be somebuddy else's idea of trash. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. I submit stuff I see that that I think will be interesting to a significant portion of the Newsville traffic, but I don't really care if what I submit ends up on the home page or daily top 5.

I'm not bothered by the voting clique. I just scrolled through the first 4 pages of the daily top 5 stories. 72 votes was the most it took to be the most popular. Often the mid to upper 40s took the prize. That's probably a better barometer of how deserving Newsville is of a resource allocation from the site.

As for the bad stories, until they roll off the page? I confess that I often do judge them by their titles! If it looks like something I'm not going to like, I just keep scrolling on.
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 12:51:26 PM

Since drpepperTX seems to be implying that I'm a hypocrite, I feel the need to respond to his comments.

"pmurray63, the OP of this thread, has posted over 110 articles in that same time period."

You're right. I'm a news junkie, and I try to share relevant, fact-based news items from credible sources.

"Many from left and extreme left sources"

Such as? Please be specific and provide a list. I post links to stories at mainstream and relevant industry news sites. The only way your claim makes any sense is if you're only of those people who rails about an imaginary left-wing media conspiracy.

"yet here's a look at pmurray's whiteboard"

My whiteboard was one of the clues to the existence of the voting clique. I have no idea why someone feels the need to tell me any time he votes for my posts.

***

"There are much more important things to be concerned with."

And yet you keep returning to this thread ...




[Edited by: pmurray63 at 7/14/2014 12:51:38 PM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 12:23:48 PM

It's not unfortunate at all.

Gas Buddy has always been about revenue, there's nothing wrong with that.

Some folks just take things too seriously. Take some time out of your day and relax, why create unnecessary stress in an already stressful world? In the scope of things just how pressing is a GB blog? There are much more important things to be concerned with.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 11:04:12 PM


TxJ & largobob,
You may unfortunately be right, all about page views for ad revenue now.

How else to explain the lack of concern with obviously erroneous price updates that go on month after month? Maybe those are still a small % of the prices and the aggregated fuel price data is still 'good enough' for their paying customers who buy that data.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 9:49:49 PM

I agree - the site is now all about CLICKs and not about gas prices. That is just the cover. I think they no longer need us for the bulk of their data.
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largobob
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 7:26:04 PM

I don't think GB will stop doing points for the news items. Same for comments. There is a "value" for every click on a GB site. Think advertising. If GB can tell advertisers, and prove it, that each member will click 11 times on a GB page (front page - 1 click - enter 5 prices, 5 comment entries - 5 clicks, 5 stories - 5 clicks), that is a whole lot of advertising potential. It is obviously powered by google and linked to cookies. I can tell as I look to the advertisement to the right for LaQuinta and Avis. I had visited their sites earlier for booking a trip. And the ad at the top is for the music group Alt J's new CD - of which I had listened to one of their songs on a radio station site.

So really, GB will never stop awarding points because they want the clicks. And they know you will click on it anyways even if it is garbage, just to get the points.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 6:44:55 PM

"If GBO wanted to clean up the news area they could just spend 15 minutes per day scanning whatever news was submitted that day and nuke anything that didn't belong. There is no need to take the time to send emails to the OP explaining why, or read every full article."

If they're too busy, I could do it in 5 minutes. "If GBO ~really~ wanted to clean things up they could get rid of points for posting in the news area!"

Best idea yet.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 6:05:43 PM

This topic is inappropriate, repetitious, OK and interesting, but I wouldn't vote for it.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 3:26:02 PM

I agree with you for the most part Gas_Buddy.

There has been little effort by the site admins to police news area activity or improve the experience. The behavior of the news article posting hounds mentioned by pmurray63 and others should probably be expected.

The blog accounts for 40% of the top 5 by default, and site programmers did create the "ignore short messages" option attempting to hush one of your persistent complaints. However, in the end, members just respond to collect their points and there is no real discussion of any kind even if the insignificant comments are filtered.

Further complaints will most likely continue to fall on deaf ears. Apparently, the news area just is what it is.

RG



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 7/13/2014 3:28:23 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 2:00:58 PM

RichWLIN:

You're correct that "If you actually read the news articles, I don't see a problem with leaving appropriate comments terse or otherwise."

The problem with leaving appropriate comments, terse or otherwise, is that most of the comments left are anything but appropriate. Someone saying, once in a while, "Old news..." or "Interesting" is one thing, but what's "interesting" about the story other than the poster found it...for lack of a better word, "Interesting", whatever that means. Interesting new information? Interesting in that it changed your thinking? Without saying anything else, it's not much different than saying Hemmingway is interesting, Tom Clancy is interesting, or Dr. Seuss is interesting; that that jai lai and pitching horseshoes are interesting; that mimes and lobster fisherman are interesting, or that but never saying why. The multiple responses of "OK" and "Hmmmm" aren't particularly appropriate, and together they those type comments make up the bulk of responses. An "appropriate comment" gets lost in the fluff for maximizing points. And bumping articles simply because a "friend" posted it doesn't add value to the original post or article.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 7:54:34 AM

FWIW the Voting Club has also posted requests on my WB several times asking that I vote up their articles, etc. I didn't know why they asked me since I have no connection to their clique, then I noted that they made the same requests to many other members.

At one time I did vote for articles I found interesting but no more. There is no point in doing so, and I certainly won't vote for something just because someone I never met wants me to.

This Voting Club is real, that can be proven by threading the various WB messages together into a coherent exchange between members that when read end to end shows intent.

The club is also a nuisance as some of those members get out of control like a bunch of snubbed high school cheerleaders when they believe they are being ignored. This week I experienced that as two members who are part of the Voting Club and whom I have no connection with decided to crap up some of my photo albums by posting inane comments on the photos. As readers may know, photo comments can't be deleted. I had to take some albums offline and if mods can't delete the comment I will need to delete and re-upload the photos. One is a screen capture linked in a TBTU forum message as an example of a web site problem and replacing the photo might break the link so that's a headache. Note that some of those albums existed for over a year without being disturbed by anyone.

If GBO wanted to clean up the news area they could just spend 15 minutes per day scanning whatever news was submitted that day and nuke anything that didn't belong. There is no need to take the time to send emails to the OP explaining why, or read every full article.

If GBO wanted to go a step further they could change the display of the top 5 articles and impose a voting limit. Since the Voting Club wants to 'see their names in lights' the top 5 articles could instead rotate randomly every hour among the articles submitted that day. Alternately the vote count on all articles could reset to zero at midnight.

If GBO ~really~ wanted to clean things up they could get rid of points for posting in the news area!


[Edited by: GoGoGoodyear at 7/13/2014 7:56:24 AM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 7:00:12 AM

If you actually read the news articles, I don't see a problem with leaving appropriate comments terse or otherwise.

The respondents who don't even read the material and or who are just posting one word comments for points aren't going away as long as there is a value placed on doing so. But this shouldn't stop anyone else from contributing opinions or commenting on the content of the articles.

RG
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 12:23:20 AM

And I did not pump anyone. I asked the member why I should. I do not and have not, to the best of my memory, ever bumped a news article and seldom have ever read any other than the daily five. And I don't think I've commented on one of those in years. It wouldn't add value to the posts of okay, old news, hmmm, interesting, and so on.
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 8:24:32 PM

And Gas_Buddy, if whiteboards are your judgment standard of guilt, look no further than the last two posts on your own board:

"He has the story right below me on the news. Click on All Recent News and find him and pump him where it says pump."

"I have one favor to ask of you. Please pump hyeglenn if you haven't already done so."

Like I said, relax, some folks are taking things way too seriously.
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 8:19:00 PM

If I were part of your conspiracy theory, let me ask you this; I have submitted a total of 13 articles since the beginning of the year, of which a total of 3 have garnered enough votes to make the "top 5", just how does that add up to a voting conspiracy?

It clearly does not is the answer. To me, it seems there is some paranoia among the ideological around here on GB.

pmurray63, the OP of this thread, has posted over 110 articles in that same time period. Many from left and extreme left sources, yet here's a look at pmurray's whiteboard:

by dallfo Jul 09, 2014

I pumped your article on the highway fund.

by dallfo Jul 09, 2014

I pumped your article on small SUV's.

by dallfo Jul 08, 2014

I pumped your article on Volvo.

by dallfo Jul 08, 2014

I pumped your article on "Rolling Coal".

by dallfo Jul 07, 2014

I pumped both of your articles. 2 good articles. Diesels rock! and Car dealerships are having a hard time handling so many recalls.

by dallfo Jul 05, 2014

Very interesting article. I pumped your article.

by drillintheUSA Jul 03, 2014

p' - thx for the tip: "1) Do not post stories from less than credible or un-heard of sources
2) Do not post blogs or magazine articles from any site (OilPrice.net, etc.)
3) Do not post opinion, guest, editorial, or opinion pieces " That rules out 75% of the articles posted on a daily basis though;) ~drill'

by dallfo Jul 03, 2014

Good articles. I pumped all four of your articles. Have a great day.

by dallfo Jul 02, 2014

Interesting article. Some people repeat their mistakes. I pumped your article.


[Edited by: drpepperTX at 7/12/2014 8:19:31 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 6:31:01 PM

Maybe conspiracy is too strong a word, but after seeing comments such as:

"Even though I'm not on the front page right now I'm glad to see you two on the front page." and "I'm glad to see your article made the front page."

it seems like people are pushing a member as much, if not more, than pushing a story or news article or the sake of the article itself.

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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 1:01:06 PM

drepperTX - Looking at your whitebaord, you appear to be part of the conspiracy.
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 12:20:31 PM

"So, now we're back to a vote conspiracy theory?"

It's not a theory, it's pretty well established, given the messages some of us have received about how they only vote for articles by their buddies, or if you happen to be be buddies with one, them messaging you every time they vote for one of your articles. And watch how fast certain members' posts consistently shoot to the top of the list, despite (or because) their being right-wing political opinions. (The submission requirements specifically say not to post opinion pieces.)
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2014 11:46:22 AM

So, now we're back to a vote conspiracy theory?

Come on folks, relax, you're taking things way too seriously.

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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2014 9:58:18 AM

I think a limited number of votes per day would work, maybe 3-5.

I realize that there may be days when there are more good articles than that, but oh well.

The goal, I think, is to provide just enough votes to recognize the best stories.

This effectively puts a "cost" on voting. The current system of allowing an infinite number of votes makes it too easy for voting cliques to exist.

I also wish more people would vote, but DO NOT REWARD PEOPLE FOR VOTING -- I fear that will only make things worse.

I really think moderation is ultimately the best answer, though. There's no point to submission guidelines if stories are never removed for non-compliance.
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 4:45:18 PM

p: So your desired mechanism is to limit member's voting? Would the voting be limited by number of votes per day or what exactly? I want to be able to describe your idea accurately.
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 7:01:07 AM

<<"Every day I think the articles can't get worse. And every day they do, and the voting clique raises them to the top.

Given that moderation is a lost cause, I think limiting each member's upvotes to a small number (2? 3?) would at least put a crimp in the voting clique.">> Suggested in this thread....
newsville voting

"I think there needs to be some sort of limit to the number of posts someone can pump in a 24 hour period. OR, maybe someone can come up with a better way to break up the clique pumping groups so we have more meaningful articles on the front page."
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:15:19 AM

So far today we have articles sourced from Russia Today, that country's propaganda arm aimed at the west, and the magazine of the John Birch Society -- polar extremes but both crap, and both are highly ranked thanks to the voting clique.

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pmurray63
Champion Author Detroit

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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 12:51:00 AM

Every day I think the articles can't get worse. And every day they do, and the voting clique raises them to the top.

Given that moderation is a lost cause, I think limiting each member's upvotes to a small number (2? 3?) would at least put a crimp in the voting clique.
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TeddyRuxpin
Champion Author Long Island

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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 12:45:29 AM

Really starting to get sick of some of the anti-science "news" articles being posted by one particular person with a political agenda.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2014 7:06:39 AM

The mods have been telling us they have been overwhelmed with everything for a very long time TxJeans. Even if they are, it sounds more and more like Chicken Little shouting "The sky is falling" that actual fact. The more complex this site gets, the less interaction we have with the mods.

The best way to report people for just about anything is using the Contact Us link under the Help menu.
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