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GoGoGoodyear

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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 2:42:08 AM

Bumping old forum topics has been discussed so I won't repeat.

The suggestion is that when a member clicks 'Post a Reply', if the discussion thread is older than (x) a reminder message should prompt the member to the effect of "This topic is more than (x) old, members should avoid posting to old topics. Are you sure you want to reply? Y/N "

Because there are forums that see very little activity, (x) could optionally be a different and longer amount of time for such low activity forums.

Extra fancy option: 'old' (x) could be determined by some formula that looks at age of other responses in the same forum; this creates automatically adjusting (x) as a forum sees more or less activity with passing time.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 11:39:33 AM

What does your last post have to do with this topic, Byte_Doctor? Nothing except to continue bashing me and calling me a liar. In other words, a waste of time.

[Edited by: scoutmaster at 6/23/2014 11:40:13 AM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 10:19:34 AM

Now playing at a theater near you: "Humpty Dumpty Returns"
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 9:28:40 AM

"I omitted the moderator intervention part since it is part of the existing rule. "

Given your history I have serious doubts that this is the case. Also, your admission that you overlooked something and updated the proposal speaks volumes.

You simply made a mistake and are now backpedaling rather than admitting the mistake.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 8:51:16 AM

""So it's not permissible to update a proposal when something is overlooked?"

Of course it is. But to argue from your initial proposal for several posts then once you've realized you were wrong to then slip in the fix without admitting the original was flawed as if it was a part of the original intent is typical of you and disingenuous."

I omitted the moderator intervention part since it is part of the existing rule.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 8:47:39 AM

"So it's not permissible to update a proposal when something is overlooked?"

Of course it is. But to argue from your initial proposal for several posts then once you've realized you were wrong to then slip in the fix without admitting the original was flawed as if it was a part of the original intent is typical of you and disingenuous.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 8:32:35 AM

"I have no hate for you, former scoutmaster. Pity perhaps, but not hate."

How nice for you.

"But I see where you've now changed your proposal to allow such with manual intervention by the moderators. How typical of you to go back and change the rules mid-game."

How typical? So it's not permissible to update a proposal when something is overlooked? I'm very sorry I don't live in your perfect world, Byte_Doctor.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 7:59:03 AM

"It seems Byte_Doctor can't get past his hate."

I have no hate for you, former scoutmaster. Pity perhaps, but not hate.

"What part of my interpretation of the rule is flawed, Byte_Doctor?"

The part where you allow no way to actually post to an older thread, in spite of the allowance in the rule to do so after notifying the moderators.

But I see where you've now changed your proposal to allow such with manual intervention by the moderators. How typical of you to go back and change the rules mid-game.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 6:43:03 AM

Seriously, I see Scoutmaster's thought about the mod's turning off the rule,but it is pie in the eye to think that 1) they would take the time to program this, and 2) that the mods would be able to do this in a reasonable time.

Personally, I think the rule should be changed. It should advise to NOT bump old inactive topics unless you have current new information. I can sort of see value in starting new topics vs old at times when the information really needs a new topic title to attract people to look at an old topic, but other times bumping makes perfect sense. If we had folks that used their heads and actually read the forums before posting, we would not need the rule. But the JFF mentality is pervasive throughout all the forums these days.

Add in the fact that the readily viewable thread history is 4 pages and we don't have good search features...I think that GGG's idea is reasonable but also not likely to be implemented.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2014 6:20:29 AM

SUVFan,

If you contacted the moderators and told them you were responding to a topic where the last post was over two (2) months ago, they would be able to turn off the pop-up message in my suggestion. This would allow you to make your post. That would be following the rule. If you didn't contact the moderators, the message would pop up and you would not be able to post.

It seems Byte_Doctor can't get past his hate. Again he attacks without provocation. His post is totally inaccurate, off topic and nothing more than a personal attack.

What part of my interpretation of the rule is flawed, Byte_Doctor?
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2014 10:51:54 PM

Indeed, SUVFan, once again the former scoutmaster is plying his trade. As long as you understand that from his perspective you are always wrong and he is always right and his interpretation of the rules is the right one then it becomes easier to understand. He will never admit he was wrong and that his interpretation of the rule is flawed and his proposed change would not fully implement the rule as written. You realize he does this sort of thing on purpose don't you?
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2014 10:39:07 PM

Scoutmaster, you indicated that your, "proposed change would not let someone post to the topic after the warning popped up." I don't see how the warning you proposed would be avoided if the person intending to post to the old topic had first notified the mods via pm or whiteboard or email? The warning would still appear and then your, "continue button . . . would take the poster right back to the topic list."
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2014 6:28:21 AM

Then if you follow the rule, SUVFan, my suggestion wouldn't come into play. Most members don't follow the rule or even KNOW the rule exists.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2014 10:22:26 AM

>You do realize my proposed change would not let someone post to the topic after the warning popped up<

Scoutmaster, that's exactly why I oppose your suggestion. The rule, read in its entirety, suggests that posting to older topics can be appropriate but only when there is good reason to do so. Granted, the rule was put into place when GB World was smaller and moderation existed.

When I post to older topics (normally a local one), I follow the spirit of rule 13 by sending a heads up note to the GB Moderator a/c with the address and the reason. In my post, I explain that I've sent that note to ward off complaints and to alert a mod in case they find a complaint before finding my message.

Scrapheap, I agree with you completely about the philosophy. I'd change the rule in a heartbeat if I had the power.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2014 1:01:11 PM

Honestly I think rule 13 is pretty dumb. Adding new information to an existing topic makes more sense to me than creating a duplicate. I really don't understand this part of the rule "If you want to post to an older topic, please let Admin know beforehand so we can make a note of it and ask other members not to report you for doing it." Who are the admins going to ask not to report you?

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2014 6:20:10 AM

SUVFan,

You do realize my proposed change would not let someone post to the topic after the warning popped up?
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 1:33:30 PM

Agreed, on all counts, SUVFan. Although to be honest, I'd prefer that members resurrect an old thread rather than litter the board with multiple threads on the same topic. But, one should follow the rules as established, so although warning a user when posting to an older thread is appropriate, preventing the ability to post to them would not be.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2014 9:12:35 AM

I like the proposal, generally. Scoutmaster's proposed change to the warning ("This topic is more than (x) old and should no longer be commented in.") should not be adopted, as it discourages members from doing homework and is contrary to the current GB rule.

Contrary to popular belief, rule 13 of the general forum guidelines does not completely ban posts to old threads. It states in its entirety: Please do not bump old, inactive threads. If a topic has been inactive for two months or more, please do not post in it. If you want to post to an older topic, please let Admin know beforehand so we can make a note of it and ask other members not to report you for doing it.

GoGoGoodyear's proposal is consistent with the complete rule, while Scoutmaster's revised proposal is not. Developments happen that justify reviving discussion in an old thread. The site rule gives effect to that possibility and avoids another pet peeve many whine about here and in TBTU: Duplicative topics.

The only tweak I'd suggest is possibly including a link to the actual rule in the pop up warning/reminder message.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 4:05:36 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggsetion Tracking List as a new subject.

Adjusting what constitutes old based on inactivity supposes that activity may be the reason for prohibiting bumping. However, I don't think any of us knows the reason for certain, or if we do, nobody has spoken up.

Locking after two months, which has been suggested many times, is very easily done right now manually. A moderator's kid could do it with five minutes training. Why it isn't is another mystery. I suspect we shall continue down the same path with each "bumper," years from now, still getting the "Thar be dragons here" warning message from either moderators or members.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 6:43:50 AM

I like this idea. One add. The pop up will just state "This topic is more than (x) old and should no longer be commented in." There would be a continue button which would take the poster right back to the topic list.
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tony1679
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 6:07:28 AM

Or perhaps just locking/deleting a topic after two months is the answer. But if this can't be done, then I agree with OP 100%
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