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TxJeans

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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 3:44:51 PM

I think there needs to be some sort of limit to the number of posts someone can pump in a 24 hour period. OR, maybe someone can come up with a better way to break up the clique pumping groups so we have more meaningful articles on the front page.

Today, there is one by Mudsprings - a known buddy collector and member of a pump my post and I'll pump yours clique. It is a perfect example of how the voting system fails.

And, as mentioned many times, remove the ability to post for points in the News top 5.
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2014 10:02:49 AM

"I think I'll write my own article next time, and see if it gets any scrutiny ;-\"

I've been sorely tempted to create some idiotic fake story on a web page and link to it just to demonstrate how worthless many submissions have gotten ... but I figure that's becoming part of the problem, in a way. Besides, that would be the one time a moderator would act. :(
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 4:31:16 AM


Funny how I post up what I think is an ordinary news article two days ago and it gets 72 votes and 829 comments, followed by congratulatory messages on my WB from the Vote Club... and I'm a bit embarrassed to just now notice that although I posted it on July 7, it's an OLD ABC News article from April 2011.

I think I'll write my own article next time, and see if it gets any scrutiny ;-\
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 9:06:49 PM

No, CK, it is giving a news item a thumbs up so it reaches the "Top Five".
I got a PM because of my criticism which makes me feel even stronger about limiting the voting or finding another different way to handle the selection of the top 5. And, while we are at it, maybe drop the points for posting IN newsville. Get rid of all the OK posts in newsville. My ignore list is growing each day.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 8:39:36 PM

I got one of Mudsprings WBs, too. I never could figure out how "pumping" was done. Is it just posting a reply or what?
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pmurray63
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2014 6:46:23 PM

I was solicited to join the voting clique too, in an oblique manner. Completely out of the blue, Mudsprings posted to my whiteboard something about "only pumping buddies." I had no idea what it was about, especially since we seem to have very different philosophical outlooks. I eventually figured it out.

I'm all for the limiting the number of daily votes.

[Edited by: pmurray63 at 7/2/2014 6:49:07 PM EST]
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2014 4:57:57 PM


Even going so far as to reach out to one of the site mods (CC) to ask for his vote... some gall!
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2014 5:48:35 AM

Evidently the clique isn't getting enough votes and are reaching out to more members to pump their articles. They really do need to limit the number of votes for newsville items a day or use one of the other suggestions from GGG or SUVfan.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2014 7:40:28 PM

The easiest solution to overcoming the clique's apparent control of what makes it to the home page is for more GBs to vote. The current top vote getter has a whopping 47 votes with 1,320 message posts. Mudsprings' piece is 2 back in second place, with another item 2 more back in third. Fourth and 5th places have 38 and 35, respectively. Yesterday 42 votes won the day while 45 got the big prize on Monday.

That's not very many votes! So in keeping with this category's title, if they made voting a bit easier, the clique's power would be watered down fast.

My thought is to have all clicks on any story take you to Newsville, not the specific story you clicked. The traffic that little change would generate would put the clique out of business.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2014 6:58:56 AM

"Has anyone noticed that if you reply to a news discussion, after posting the reply you get points again for reading an article since posting the reply reloads the page?"

I had heard that before, which kind of explains the tendency for folks to post for points in news discussions since it's a two-fer. God forbid they have to hit a couple more keys to get their daily points.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 10:59:29 PM

TxJeans,
> On the surface I like the idea of being able to see the better posted articles pumped up in theory... eliminating them would probably reduce the incentive to just post an article and pump it up. After a while the see your name in lights group would fade away and *hopefully* only decent articles would be posted and rotate through. <

If all the articles were on automatic rotation to the front page that would also increase the chances that more members would see the worthwhile articles. Yesterday someone posted a letter to the editor... not even an article.

Maybe a different group should be formed with the task of voting up any news article that has low votes, to counteract that other clique... ;->

Byte_Doctor posted: "You load the news article page, GB gives you your points. You re-load the page, you get your points again."

Has anyone noticed that if you reply to a news discussion, after posting the reply you get points again for reading an article since posting the reply reloads the page?


[Edited by: GoGoGoodyear at 6/17/2014 11:03:36 PM EST]
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 10:57:31 AM

"I read here that all you have to do is hit f5 five times to get your news points. Why is this?"

Because that's the way browsers work, and combined with the way GB gives points for news articles, it allows the shortcut.

You load the news article page, GB gives you your points. You re-load the page, you get your points again. Since all F5 does is reload the page, you press F5 5 times (actually, you only need to hit it 4 times since you already loaded it once) and you have your 5 news article points for the day.
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JKazakus
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 8:12:27 AM

I read here that all you have to do is hit f5 five times to get your news points. Why is this?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 7:03:53 AM

I wondering what effect this has on anything other than .......... I can't think of anything this would have an effect on!
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 5:23:27 AM

Agreed, Mud used to try and recruit me to pump articles and eventually stopped. You can see similar things looking at his and his friends white boards, and apparently one buddy de-buddied him and he started a campaign against him.

On the surface I like the idea of being able to see the better posted articles pumped up in theory, but it doesn't work when you have those that use the "like" button more like a social friendship thing. Limiting the number of articles that a person could pump a day to 1-5 articles might help break up large cliques.

But, eliminating them would probably reduce the incentive to just post an article and pump it up. After a while the see your name in lights group would fade away and *hopefully* only decent articles would be posted and rotate through. And, at least a not-worthy one would not persist long. People could favorite the ones they want to discuss and let buddies know through the social network that an article is out there they might be interested in so they can discuss.

Even more important is to take away points for posting to the news...
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2014 2:32:25 AM


>> Mudsprings and his clique vote up each other's articles. As his group grows, they vote on each of their articles and we get lame articles being pumped to first page... <<

A few days ago most of the same news articles persisted on the front page day after day, yet they weren't anything that particularly stood out or received more replies than other articles. I figured it was the vote-up club responsible for that.

PS: I rarely post news articles, but I've been 'blackmailed' by Mud in the past to join the club or suffer the consequences of not having my articles voted up. [shrug] don't really care, for me it's not a contest, but that is an example for why GBO should eliminate voting and just rotate the articles automatically.

posted today to PaulBacon's WB:
by Mudsprings Today
I only pump friends now. Look at the top three stories and those people are my friends.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 9:29:35 AM

"*sigh* I just dozed off and was dreaming again wasn't I ?"

I suspect so...
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 1:32:11 AM


>> Probably not. Chances are, it would result in thousands of topics in TBTU asking why they didn't get points... <<

True, with the abundant communications we members get from GBO nobody would know that the news section points had been stopped.

BUT if GBO did it right, they could post a sticky on all forums as they did for the upcoming cash/credit upgrades, and ask regulars in TBTU and SAGBI forums not to respond to anyone asking why they didn't get their news posting points, and have a reminder message shown right above the reply text box (e.g. no points given for this reply/post in news).

*sigh* I just dozed off and was dreaming again wasn't I ?
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 10:35:22 PM

>That would help get rid of the one word replies.<

Probably not. Chances are, it would result in thousands of topics in TBTU asking why they didn't get points for their one word posts, which would lead to tens of thousands of replies telling them that a similar topic already exists.
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GoGoGoodyear
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 6:34:18 PM

Voting up news articles is somewhat pointless because in a closed system there is no genuine means to measure interest in the articles which cannot be gamed by a group of members.

I think the news articles should all rotate to the front page in sequence, first in first out, changing frequently, maybe every hour.

>> And, as mentioned many times, remove the ability to post for points in the News top 5. <<

Agreed, and not just for the top 5; no points for posting in any news. That would help get rid of the one word replies.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 10:36:14 AM

Addition - maybe to show who is voting ;-) then the cliques could be identified and countered :-)
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 7:27:16 PM

Don't worry Scrap - not holding my breath at all. Even funnier than having the SGBI forum is the "Talk Back To Us" - it should be relabeled talk back to each other.... :-(
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 6:13:27 PM

Maybe they should be limited to 5 like everything else? Not a bad idea but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 4:33:18 PM

I am not talking about the number of posts a person can make, but the number of articles they can vote / pump up.

Mudsprings and his clique vote up each other's articles. As his group grows, they vote on each of their articles and we get lame articles being pumped to first page not because of genuine interest, but because of ego/cliques that have to see their name on the top five list.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 4:27:09 PM

Maybe a limit on the newsville posts but not throughout the rest of the forums.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 4:03:58 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new subject and a new topic on an existing subject..

I just read'em. Am I a sheep being lead to the slaughter somehow? Should I be afraid or (God help me) very, very afraid?



[Edited by: CampKohler at 6/13/2014 4:12:17 PM EST]
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