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BobFang

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 10:02:31 AM

Yesterday I traveled a route that I had not used for about six months. Much to my surprise I discovered a newly opened Shell station. I checked GB and it wasn't in the database. I stopped in and got their current address and used the GPS to get the exact lat/long coordinates and used the feedback on this site to send the info to GB.

The station had streamers, balloons, fresh asphalt and lotsa "Now Open" signs so they must have just opened in the past week or so.

I think we should have the ability to earn points for being the first to submit a new location to GB.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2014 6:55:07 AM

Ya know what would be cool? If those people who wanted more ways to earn points took advantage of the point earning opportunities that are available! That would benefit the site! That would be cool!
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2014 9:53:29 PM

txmtnbiker, why is that?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2014 5:16:59 PM

Another member who wants more ways to earn points yet they haven't availed themselves of the current ways to earn points.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2014 4:23:03 PM

@txmtnbiker -no, it really wouldn't...
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txmtnbiker74
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2014 12:06:55 PM

that would be pretty cool to get points that way
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2014 6:34:42 AM

Yes we can GasEnergy and it is encouraged to do so. But before you do, please make sure the station you are entering is not already in the Master Station List.
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GasEnergy
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 6:29:49 PM

I think we can add new stations.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 12:45:33 PM

@Karisholman "Interesting. I wish you could have these conversations and post on the phone app. I ride in the car a lot with my husband so I do not have safety concerns "

You can - just fire up your browser and you can post in the forums, search prices, read news -- all at your "finger tips".

There is the full website, and I believe can also get the OLD mobile website.
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Karisholman
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 12:22:08 PM

Interesting. I wish you could have these conversations and post on the phone app. I ride in the car a lot with my husband so I do not have safety concerns
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 9:23:02 AM

I think Bob said his piece (Oct. 26 below) and may have moved on.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 8:37:54 AM

What ever happened to BobFang?
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2014 12:37:42 AM

Hm. I've never used the app; the computer version of the site is what I consider normal. Still, I realized today that I had recently visited a station and then, when I got home, I completely forgot to check whether the "number of pumps" information I'd obtained for the MSL was new or not. (I'll go check that right now, while I'm thinking of it.)
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2014 7:32:25 AM

"Having to drive home and use the web page to add stations is keeping many stations off the list like the ones I've added."

Interesting take. Being able to add stations via the app would be nice but I don't think you above statement is accurate.

You claim to live in a rural area and there are a lot of unreported stations. By unreported do you mean there is no price posted for these stations or these stations are not in the MSL?
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brittt69
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 8:12:37 PM

How about allowing the addition of new stations via the app? I live in a fairly rural area but there were several unreported stations along a fairly large highway (US 58). I added these stations via this web site.

After I added these stations there are "regulars" now updating prices as well so I'm sure that there are locals using the app. There are thousands of cars per day that travel by these stations. Even if locals don't use the app I'm sure that there are many people who are traveling through the area who would appreciate the information.

If regular members (say members who have updated approx 200 prices or more) had the ability to add stations from the app then the GPS data would be very accurate and the photo could be added at the same time.

Having to drive home and use the web page to add stations is keeping many stations off the list like the ones I've added.

Another issue is that lately there are several BP stations that have been re-branded as Marathon. Being able to edit stations via the app would allow the updating of information and adding new pictures.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 5:02:08 AM

Indeed, tell us more -- this is a task especially suited to relatively new members, since those of us who've been using it for a while will have gotten used to the status quo and are blind to what might be "obvious" improvements.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 3:32:15 PM

redfish67:

"I would like to see it easier to add new stations...

Said two different ways, first, what or how would you like it to be easier, and second, what's not easy or is hard ab out how to add stations currently?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 1:30:26 PM

Redfish - could you describe what your vision is for changing the way new stations are added to make it easier?
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redfish67
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 10:44:39 AM

I would like to see it easier to add new stations, don't care about getting points. It just makes the list more comprehensive.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2014 6:56:46 AM

GasBuddy allows: "I may disagree with RichWLIN on a number of issues or on the value of some suggestions, but I don't disagree in any way with his most recent post."

Will wonders never cease!
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 1:49:16 PM

I may disagree with RichWLIN on a number of issues or on the value of some suggestions, but I don't disagree in any way with his most recent post. I'm sure that many new members have joined the website to provide help and knowledge to those people that have posted prices for their benefit, but a quick review of many threads/topics/posts clearly shows that points/icons/"awards" and "winning the drawing" are the (new) overriding reason for taking part in Gas Buddy actions.

I would love to be proven (or even hinted) wrong; I just think RichWLIN is correct about the current Gas Buddy.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 8:55:47 AM

I'm gonna say this again as it is very pertinent.

It appears the ones who want more ways to earn points are the ones who do not avail themselves of the points currently available. The OP is a prime example leaving roughly 74% of the points currently available on the table.

Take advantage of what is offered.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 7:42:46 AM

@Rich "
"However, it should be apparent by now that member participation of late is driven by the numerous ways to earn points, awards and lottery prizes;"

As can be seen in the TBTU current stream of posts...

Sigh...

"When this website was first conceived, I'm sure there was a spirit of volunteerism and helping others that the early members enjoyed. Many of the long time members attest to this, and most probably continue to participate with this same mindset today. "

Agreed.

Double sigh....
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 7:24:51 AM

Rich, I think the attitude extends well beyond this site. It seems to be more and more seen throughout all areas of society these days.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 7:00:53 AM

Maybe the reason that folks always seem to be suggesting new ways to earn points is because this is the overall theme of the web site as it exists today?

When this website was first conceived, I'm sure there was a spirit of volunteerism and helping others that the early members enjoyed. Many of the long time members attest to this, and most probably continue to participate with this same mindset today.

However, it should be apparent by now that member participation of late is driven by the numerous ways to earn points, awards and lottery prizes; at least, this seems to be the design carried out by the current owners of the site. Perhaps, "helping others" volunteer participation just doesn't put enough beans on the table?

In any case, when a relatively new member suggests or requests another way to earn points, it is very likely as a function of their understanding of and reaction to the current GasBuddy marketing strategy.

RG
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rivers
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 12:14:42 PM

BobFang - All the long-time members who entered stations into the MSL, would have had the BULK of the points anyway. We built the MSL & did it to help others, not for points.

Zippy - I was one of the long-time members who helped build the MSL. I along w/ other GB members entered many new stations into it. And, back then any NEW station had to be verified by other members.
I currently, have 629 station photos posted on the MSL and I did it ONLY to help others, NOT for points.

P.S. I haven't entered any gas card drawing.

[Edited by: rivers at 1/15/2014 12:18:34 PM EST]
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FranklinON
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 9:54:05 AM

Furthermore, if you're adding the new station in a thorough way as the OP suggested, it does take some time - verifying the address (which isn't always posted at the station in the first few days), checking the latitude & longitude, making note of the various features the station offers so you can check the boxes on the web form, uploading a picture, etc. etc.

Yes, most of us are doing this primarily to help others. But if all we do is ONLY to help others, and not to earn points for that elusive gas card draw, why does GasBuddy.com have a point structure at all then? Why not just abolish it?
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FranklinON
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 10:24:14 AM

[edited to remove double post]

[Edited by: FranklinON at 12/9/2013 10:23:52 AM EST]
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FranklinON
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2013 10:20:52 AM

scoutmaster, congratulations on your outstanding effort over the years. I'm sure the site is better for it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about leaving 500 000 points on the table, but it's not too important at this end, because for me it's NOT all about the points. I'm not going to do something new that I wouldn't do anyway, just in order to accrue more points. You can have them.

I simply agree with the OP that if we can gain points for something as banal as posting about the latest Monday Night Football results, why not for something that actually improves the site?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 10:04:48 PM

Added 2 or 3 in two years? Wow! Thanks! I've added close to, well, I have no idea how many stations I have added in the 10+ years I have been here but it's a lot more than 2 or 3. And the time and effort is minimal. And was all done to help others.

FranklinOn, maybe you should avail yourself of the current options to earn points. You have left over 500,000 on the table.

Why is it always about points?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 9:32:42 PM

FranklinON wrote:

"...it takes a certain amount of time & effort to add a new station to the database"

Not really. Well, yes, it takes a "certain amount", but it's only a minute or so to add the new station to the database. That doesn't seem like a lot of time.

Unless, of course, you're saying that people are simply driving around with a list in their hand of gas stations already in the database and then seeing which ones they find that aren't in the database. Or that people are taking the list of stations in the Gas Buddy database and crosschecking it against an internet search, phone book listing or local Better Business Bureau list to see which stations aren't yet on the list. I agree that would take time and effort.

But usually, at least as far as I know, most new gas stations aren't learned about as a result of time and effort, or research; they're "learned about" by simply passing the newly opened station or reading about it in the local paper/hearing about it on local television announcing that "a new XXX station is opening in 'wherever'."

But if you're going to give points for these posting these new gas stations, shouldn't you also give points for updating the database to indicate gas station closings? After all, more gas stations close than open, and have been for the past several years. And if you're going to give points for gas station closings, shouldn't you also give points for updating the database with new or changed information about a station? After all, that information takes time and effort to update and is important, isn't it?

Seems like we can find a lot of ways to earn points. Which is, I guess, the primary purpose of our membership, earning points rather than simply trying to help each other, isn't it.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 4:12:13 PM

When we (GB Members) were submitting info for the MSL, we did it in order to help others, not for points. That's how it should be.
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FranklinON
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 10:02:08 AM

I agree - it takes a certain amount of time & effort to add a new station to the database - I've done it 2 or 3 times. Everything we do here is to make GB better - and the existing points structure is in recognition of that. Why not include adding new stations as a point-earning option? It shouldn't be any less important than posting prices.
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tbelstone
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2013 6:53:11 AM

Lots of good points here, no pun intended..... LOL.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 9:12:46 AM

Zippy, who is "one?"

Maybe GB should give points for waking up in the morning or going to bed at night or watching tv as well.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 8:30:51 AM

"When we (GB Members) were submitting info for the MSL, we did it in order to help others, not for points. That's how it should be."

Very true TxJeans.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 7:20:27 AM

It appears that Zippy didn't go back to read CelticHeart's previous post as suggested...That post bears repeating:

CelticHeart:
"Sure you can. Add the station to the MSL and then post the prices. If they are within the first five price posts you make that day, then you get points. Otherwise, NO.

When we (GB Members) were submitting info for the MSL, we did it in order to help others, not for points. That's how it should be. "

I sure wish we could BOLD that last sentence!
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 7:00:00 AM

That would only lead to abuse zippy. People will be taking pictures of their dogs and posting them as station photos just to get points.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:29:46 PM

Well Zippy, I doubt you will see that change, so don't hold your breath.
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zippy3231
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:02:27 PM

I think One should get points for both reporting a new station but aslo taking pictures of that new station/
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:16:18 PM

I can't see a lot value in starting a new category (i.e., similar to gas price posts, reading, discussing, poll) to "celebrate" "I've found a new station that's not on the Master Station List. And I'm not trying to be funny in what I said.

First, most (if not virtually all) gas stations have been price posted for at one time or another even if they're not on the Master Station List, with the (based on experience of driving across much of the rural/lightly populated country) exception of very rural stations. That said, adding the stations, including the very rural ones, should be less a celebration than a helping hand. If nothing else, there's a reason that many stations aren't posted and that's because there aren't many members in the area that travel those roads. I'm a Top Spotter (I checked for the purpose of a previous discussion and again for this discussion) for several stations, being the only regular "spotter" and thus the only regular "price poster" for several stations; I'm at (for reference) at the 25 or so mark, the next closest being a 1 or 2.

Simply giving out a lot of points because someone was the first to note a gas station says, "Are you here to get points, or are you here to help the next driver?" Because the building/opening of new gas stations are such an exception, there would be a very limited "category participation". At least in my opinion. Better to simply (again, in my opinion) to simply have your name as the person who added the station to the Master Station List and simply feel good about doing so. It's not the same as creating a Master Station List or coming up with the idea of "Here are news articles we feel relevant to the driving/oil consuming public", etc.

Note that BobFang, who started this topic, has said that he didn't know he could add stations to the Master Station List, seems satisfied that he's helping others (that's how I read his most recent post). That seems good enough for me. The last thing I would want to see - and we already know we have members who "F5" news articles and who one-word/one-number message posts for points - is a helluva lot of "new" gas stations that may or may not duplicate other stations with minor name changes or address identification or (worse yet) "close" as soon as they are added to the Master Station List. And yes, I'm pessimistic about anything that "gives away" more points, especially a lot of points.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 8:26:19 AM

zippy, not going to happen. Read my previous comment. GB didn't start out with an MSL, members built it.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 6:43:38 AM

This was entered in the MSL. If there were points for entering stations in the MSL, patward99 would have received points for entering a station that already exists. Bad form.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:47:36 AM

It's always people who have left points on the table (zippy3231 has left roughly 200,000) that want ways to earn more points.

In my opinion, awarding points for new MSL entries would only increase the number of duplicate and bad entries to the MSL.
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zippy3231
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 8:31:39 AM

I think not only should you earn extra points for posting a New Gas and/or Service Station, it should be a Separate Awards Category on to itself!

Just like a person can obtain points for reporting gas prices, reading a news article, commenting on a subject or participating in a opinion poll one should obtain separates point for finding a new station!

It takes time to locate and fill out the forms to report that new station and being the First should be Celebrated.

Since there is only the One time a person can be the First, this event should be Awarded with 1,000 points!!! Like I said you can only be the First One Time!!!
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Chazzer
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 1:19:11 PM

Only if you haven't posted your max points for the day. Otherwise you must post the next day!
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 9:44:00 AM

Bob, The comment about points on the table came because we have so many folks come here that have left points on the table (often showing no change in points for the life of their post and no stripes or more than 1 CD) and they complain about wanting to change the point earning system.

As you can see, I have a lot of points left on the table. I joined and then didn't use the site (even looking for prices, let alone posting) for years.
Additionally, when I took my normal route to work and back, I could post 1 price I could see on the way home. If it wasn't for the pop up on the website to say I earned enough for a ticket, I would probably not even remember to enter the drawing.
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BobFang
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 7:33:03 AM

Thanks folks,

I wasn't aware that I could add the station to the MSL. I have now added the station to the master list. This location is somewhat off of my usual travels and I am sure that the prices I collected from the other day when I found the station are now obsolete so I will let someone else be the first to report their prices.

As far as the comment about the over 400,000 points I left on the table...
That's water over the dam, can't do nuttin about it now. I joined over a year ago and used GB to find cheap gas but didn't report a lot of prices (shame on me). Recently however I realized that I should help pay it forward so in the last month or so I have started reporting prices on a more regular basis.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 8:37:36 PM

This suggestion has been added to the Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an existing subject.
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CelticHeart
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 10:29:07 AM

Sure you can. Add the station to the MSL and then post the prices. If they are within the first five price posts you make that day, then you get points. Otherwise, NO.

When we (GB Members) were submitting info for the MSL, we did it in order to help others, not for points. That's how it should be.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 9:56:23 PM

You're asking that there be more ways to earn points? (In this case, a member can uniquely earn points by being the first (and thus, only) member to post a gas station to the Master Station List?
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As noted below, you can earn points (as well as every other Gas Buddy member can) for posting gas prices for that station (regardless of whether you simply post the prices via the home page's Report Gas Prices box or, after adding the station to the Master Station List - which, as noted below, you can do without moderator assistance - by making the station a "favorite" and then posting the price, but no, you don't earn 'extra points' for simply being the first person to post prices for a particular gas station.

If you're looking for ways to earn points, there already are ways to earn as much as 975 points daily (with a fixed number of additional points available for referrals and for voting in the weekly polls). If you're looking to increase your points totals, simply being the first to post prices for a gas station would be a very limited feature, whereas you can, with a little more price posting frequency, well exceed any points you could earn for being "first". Said another way, if you want more points, after more than a year of membership you've earned the points that many members earn in two months with minimum (but regular) effort; by simply posting one gas price daily, you'll double your current points standing in the same amount of time it took to reach your current points standing; if you post two, it will take half the time, and if you posted prices for the maximum of five gas price posts that earn points daily, you'll double your points standing in three months. And that's without any message posting, without any reading of the news articles, and without any voting in the weekly polls (earning you a chance to win the weekly gas card prize). And, if you decide to post additional prices, for which you won't get additional points, you'll be helping your fellow Cincinnati Gas Buddy members.

But, to respond to your last sentence, I don't see any reason why anyone should get extra points for simply being first to submit a new location to the Master Station List. If I did think there should be points for that, I'd probably have to think about posting new entries for current stations but with modified address/identification information. But that's just me.
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